User talk:MCB/Archive 4

Kurt Vonnegut

Sorry I thought he really was dead I wasnt trying to vandalize ---169.233.14.170 09:35, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Curiosity About the Wikipedia Style Guide

Saw your style edits on the Franklin Hoax article. Now you've got me curious. I've written for academic journals and newspapers, have published a book, and have worked with over 100 editors over the last 25 years. In all of those works, editors require that titles be capitalized. I don't have Strunk & White in front of me, but I believe it says the same thing. So why does Wikipedia use such an oddball rule about title capitalization? The Illuminated Master of USEBACA 20:00, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Request

I request your personal help w/ the basics of wikipedia, because I'm to messed up to read w/out being to tempted to muck about in some diverting hyperlink when trying to read the basic helps abouts and faqs of wikipedia. I am not being faceciouse. Start w/ where and how I should have placed this request. Also sometimes I am accessing wikipedia from a station from which much of the web is off limits. Thats fine w/ me, but may limit my manners of contrabution @ said times. Behold: The exact extent of my net/web savviness (-I DON'T DO FRICKIN SMILEY'S, PERIOD [even tho 1 might have been apropriate @ about this point to show tounge-in-cheeck-edness]) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thaddeus Slamp (talk • contribs)

Removal of a report from AIV

MCB, I'm just curious - did you mean to remove the user that I reported to AIV? Your edit summary did not reflect the user that was removed. [1]. Thanks, Nick—^Contact/_Contribs 06:51, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Responded on your talk page. Thanks, --MCB 07:00, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. I noticed that you did leave a message for the IP address that was mentioned in your edit summary, but that is not what I am referring to. If you take a look at the diff that I supplied in my previous message, in the process of leaving your comment on the IP address, it seems like you inadvertently removed a user which I had reported, Corleone16. I didn't want to just relist the user in case you had a reason for removing the report which was not mentioned. --Nick—^Contact/_Contribs 07:02, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Field trip procedures

Hope I'm communicating on the correct channel.

While I am most willing to discuss how to make the article Field trip procedures, it is not as you have suggested a copy of a specific school district's policies & procedures.

As someone whom has worked with several educators on this issues, I was hoping to provide a framework that they would normally pay through the nose to learn - the hard way.

While some school districts will cover any one or a couple of issues regarding Administrative, Scheduling, Preparationn, Field Trip, Follow-up, etc ... but none do the whole shebang.

For example, the entire issue of parental drop-off time as well as drive depot to departure location aren't well documented, but parts of the process that put entire classrooms of little chilren at risk.

You're call - I'll make it more encyclopedic as recommended - but I'm a bit offended at the claim that it's a verbatim copy, especially as such municipalities are obliged, usually by their state, to allow all or part of their works to be copied and/or reused for non-commercial purposes.

I give up! All I wanted to do was help out some teachers and kids, keeping them safe when they study off site. Instead, it's implied that I plagiarized. Meandean 06:56, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your message. I responded on your Talk page and you can reply there if you like. --MCB 07:08, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Saw it - we'll carry on the conversation there then Meandean 07:10, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

I assume from your LLNL experience...

..that you know what you're doing with the Q clearance image thing. I think that they have to formally reclassify the source image to be able to tell us to pull it, but I am not an attorney, and you are... Georgewilliamherbert 07:46, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Hi - responded on your Talk page. --MCB 08:28, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Cool. Thanks for having followed up with them in email. Georgewilliamherbert 08:36, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

My apologies for not letting you know that discussion had also started on the Wikipedia:Mailing lists wikien-l mailing list; I think I assumed you were reading it already. I would have notified you earlier. You should have been made aware of the development of that discussion... Sorry. Georgewilliamherbert 02:49, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Image copyright problem with Image:Colin-Ferguson-mugshot.jpg

Thank you for uploading Image:Colin-Ferguson-mugshot.jpg. However, it currently is missing information on its copyright status. Wikipedia takes copyright very seriously. It may be deleted soon, unless we can determine the license and the source of the image. If you know this information, then you can add a copyright tag to the image description page.

If you have any questions, please feel free to ask them at the media copyright questions page. Thanks again for your cooperation. —Angr 07:55, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Apology

I apologise for totally messing up a page of yours a while back. I still need help, but I finally figured out the " "symbol for adding a new topic. Any hints on using Wikkipedia would be greatly appreciated, especially if I can bypass leengthy intro policies. I realise, however that to some extent this may be an unavoidable task at hand.Thaddeus Slamp 06:27, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Invitation

Hello – Based on your significant contribution to one or more San Francisco Bay Area-related articles and/or stated interests on your homepage, I thought you might be interested in this project:

You have been invited to join the WikiProject San Francisco Bay Area, a collaborative effort focused on improving Wikipedia's coverage of the Bay Area. If you'd like to join, just add your name to the member list. Thanks for reading!

Peter G Werner 20:24, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Welcome

Hi, MCB, and welcome to WikiProject San Francisco Bay Area! We are a growing community of Wikipedia editors dedicated to identifying, categorizing, and improving articles relevant to the Bay Area. Here are some points that may be helpful: Our main aim is to help improve Bay Area-related articles, so if people ask for help with an article, please try your hardest to help them if you are able. Most important discussions take place on the project's main discussion page. It is highly recommended that you watchlist it. The project has several ongoing and developing activities, such as article quality assessment, which you are welcome to participate. Our system for improving lower-quality articles is Jumpaclass. If you'll be editing stub, start, or B-class articles, consider using Jumpaclass to track your progress. If you have another language besides English, please consider adding yourself to our translation section, to help us improve our foreign Bay Area topics. If you have any questions, feel free to ask on the talk page, and we will be happy to help you. Again, welcome! We hope you enjoy working on this project.

Peter G Werner 21:06, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Blocked user resuming problem edits

Hello, you recently blocked Pandora04 (talk · contribs · block log) for repeatedly removing cited material against consensus. This user has resumed removing the material after the block expired.[2] --Muchness 04:13, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the message. I blocked him/her again, this time for a week. If this keeps up, maybe it should go to one of the admin noticeboards for some additional opinions. Best, --MCB 05:26, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Jumpaclass

This is an invitation to use WP:BAY's Jumpaclass option for improving articles. If you're working on any Bay Area-related stub, start, or B-class articles, simply add their names to the list, and if any of the articles improve a class within a week, you'll be recognized for your contributions. If you have any questions about how it works, post on the talk page or on mine. Thanks for reading! — Emiellaiendiay 21:42, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your great feedback to the Affiliate marketing article

Hi MCB, thanks again for the in depth comments to the Affiliate marketing article. I really appreciate it. It will take me some time to go over everything and address every point you made.

I requested an editor review in February, but did not get any reviews yet. I like your honesty and directness as well as your ability to unbiased evaluation and assessment. I would like to invite you to review me and provide objective comments to what you see as positive and things where you see improvements needed. You don't have to do it if you don't want to, but I would greatly appreciate it, if you would do that for me. Thank you. --roy<sac> ^Talk! .oOo. 04:56, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Hi MCB. It took me a while, but I finally was able to provide all the comments to your comments to the affiliate marketing article. See here. I was also out of the country until now[3], which was another reason for the delay. Take your time to provide your answers. You can also pick one comment at a time, if you'd like. Thanks and Cheers! --roy<sac> ^Talk! .oOo. 12:15, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Kitabatake clan article

You recently removed a disambiguation that only pointed to deleted articles, and reverted it to a previous article - that article was deleted as a copyright violation from samurai-archives.com (http://www.samurai-archives.com/dictionary/k2.html) - it was one of the two disambiguated articles that was deleted. I would appreciate it if you would delete the current Kitabatake clan article, as it is a copyright violation, stolen from the above link at samurai-archives.com (listed under "Kitabatake (Ise)" on the samurai-archives website). Thanks. Also, there are three or four other "Japanese clans" disambiguation links that now point to empty articles because the articles were copyright violations as well - since they point to non-existant articles, but reverting them would bring up a copyright violating article, those should be deleted as well (or left up as a disambig that only points to deleted articles). --Kuuzo 07:39, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! --Kuuzo 19:58, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

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Image copyright issue

In regards to your message, the image has been re-deleted. The image was from Associated Press. Associated Press makes it living from providing its subscribers and readers with informative content, enhanced by commercial photography. We cannot then take that photography, which they pay for and relicense, and use it to illustrate our articles and claim with absolutely certainty that there is no commercial impact, or claim with absolute certainty that our use is transformative. Our Wikipedia:Fair use guidelines are written from the understanding that, as a free content project, our fair use claims will be extremely conservative, and do not anticipate users wanting to test the limits of the United States fair use doctrine. Nevertheless, counterexample #5 at Wikipedia:Fair use mentions this sort of usage explicitly. If you know of any other images like this, please do nominate them for deletion.

The fact that you are an administrator here obviously means that you are committed to the project, and have made many good contributions, and I hope that you understand that this is appreciated. It would nevertheless be inappropriate for me to treat you any differently than any other uploader when it comes to copyright concerns, and what we can publish through the project. I'm sure that you can appreciate that. On a related note, if you would like to publish unfree media through Wikipedia, please do so through the normal upload process instead of through using the undeletion tool. Thanks for understanding. Jkelly 22:47, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

I think I need to clarify a couple of points. Most importantly, I am not in this instance responding to a copyright holder complaint or anything of the kind; I'm just acting in my capacity as an administrator on the project and deleting unfree content that could be seen as infringing. I'd like to encourage you to adopt a practice of "when in doubt, delete" when it comes to potentially infringing media. Secondly, I think that we need to be clear that an act of undeletion is an act of republishing by a user. Thirdly, Wikipedia:Fair use and fair use are two very different things. As our m:Mission is to provide educational free content, we deliberately restrict ourselves to conservative and uncontroversial claims of fair use. Finally, I want to be clear that I think it is important for every admin to boldly act unilaterally when concerned about copyright infringement or libel, and for any such content to remain deleted until the point at which such fears are allayed, I was not in this case the person who deleted the image a second time, User:Jimbo Wales was. Jkelly 00:48, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

The deletion log shows Jkelly as the second deleter of Image:S7crash.jpg not User:Jimbo Wales. I'm confused at this. -Nv8200p talk 13:11, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

I see Jimbo was the second deleter of Image:Il-76 shootdown.jpg. -13:14, 31 March 2007 (UTC)—Preceding unsigned comment added by Nv8200p (talk • contribs)

Well, I'll offer some personal opinion on a couple of points you raised. You asked "Who makes fair use determinations?", and the only real response to that is that we all do. When there are real concerns about infringement, the appropriate response is to, at least in the short term, stop republishing the material. There is a conversation at WT:FU#Penny_Arcade_.28webcomic.29.23American_Greetings, for instance, where someone reasonably suggested that the rationale for a particular image was insufficient. I argued that we were, or at least the we could potentially, make a compelling fair use argument for the image. If the person expressing concern had deleted the image, the perogative would be upon me to make a convincing argument that the usage was within our policy, and not to use my admin tools to ensure that we kept republishing the material because I believed that it was okay. In response to your question about news agency photos, it is indeed the case that our conservative approach to unfree media means that we will not be able to compete with commercial news agencies in terms of professional photography for news events. Going forward, we will increasingly close the gap, due to citizen journalism and dissemination of bystander photography, but a substantial portion of the second half of the twentieth century will, in the short term, not be as well illustrated as that of websites that purchase photographs from Getty or Corbis. It may be that this will not be compensated for through purchase or donation, but efforts along those lines are being made. Jkelly 19:08, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Hitting the Nail on the Fair use Head

You wrote: First, who makes Fair use determinations? In the absence of an OFFICE action, or direct response to an OTRS ticket, it seems that neither a consensus of editors (i.e., the xfD process) nor individual expertise (this is a field in which I have considerable professional experience, including both teaching copyright law and acting as a consulting expert in IP cases) is sufficient, but instead unilateral action based on an personal interpretation of policy is encouraged. And this is exactly the problem I have with Wikipedia Fair Use... if a fair use claim doesn't meet the standards of the most strict, most anti-fair use editor, it's gone. But then again, I think fair use, on the whole, will be gone from Wikipedia within the next year; there seems to be growing (or at least, vocal) support for a "German" solution (Wiki-DE doesn't allow fair use, and it's often held up as the model EN should be emulating.) ...if any one of Wikipedia's 1000 admins thinks an image use does not meet Fair Use, it will be deleted, and I don't think that reflects policy. Sadly, it does. It's a combo-pack that's all kinds of disheartening and discouraging. Jenolen ^{speak it!} 05:59, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

User:SatyrBot and {{LocateMeBot}}

Hi! Have you done any work on moving the LocateMeBot tags to the talk pages? SatyrBot has been unblocked and is working again, so I can make that run if you'd like. Let me know on my talk page? Thanks -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 17:12, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

On the deletion of just-created stubs

Regarding the deletion of an article stub created on David Ifshan: Weak. The article was a stub with a source provided. Other articles don't even have any sources on Wikipedia. Don't expect everyone to establish notability on the first creation of an encyclopedic entry. And don't expect information to be submitted in relatively complete form. Stubs are stubs for a reason. Others can then follow a piece of information and add to it. There should be a window of time (in years) for notability to be established.

An encyclopedia with functional limits (ie.. a printed encyclopedia which would be become cumbersome and unwieldy if it collected all information) should be limited by notability constraints. However, an electronic encyclopedia with unlimited growth potential, and that can remain searchable and functional with endless information, should not speedily destroy information that has been added to it.

If I am a researcher interested in the Illuminati, for example, and I come to Wikipedia and find nothing on the topic, then I am likely to do one of two things: speedily move on to other sources of information, or create a stub. If the stub is deleted, I'm likely to write off Wikipedia as a valid source altogether and waste no further time submitting information to it.

Whether you believe it or not, there are powers at work to limit what is known, what is recorded, what is thought. There are things that only become significant with certain other information. Don't expect that editors will recognize significance immediately, nor for benevolent contributors to have to make all the connections for you.

To believe that you have the right to "speedily delete" information in such a public resource is a slippery slope that has the makings of information control, the very thing it is assumed this site does not do.

Finally, this policy does not encourage me to spend any more time submitting information to this site. You have decided what should and should not be and why. Under these terms, if you want a holistic information resource, you're going to have to build it yourself. -- Michael.W.Wood 17 April 2007

Responded on your talk page. Thanks, --MCB 21:22, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Twinkle

Hiya. I don't know if you ever got twinkle working or not. But I'm using Firefox 2.0.0.3 and OS X 10.4.9 also, and I've got twinkle working, so if you want to try replacing your monobook.js with mine (messy, I know) it might fix the prob. Or at least let you know for sure that the problem is elsewhere. Good luck. CitiCat 23:46, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Henry Pollack

Hi I re-worked the article on Enrique A. Pollack that was deleated. I have asked to have it reinstated based on the rewrite and additional sources.. I was wondering if you would reconsider having it placed again. Thanks..Callelinea 23:56, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps I am new to this but to me an online encyclopedia should be very inclusive and not exclusive. Mr. Pollack's radio show has a large following both in South Florida and in Cuba where it is heard also. He has been on the air for over 10 years. He has a political web site that has been online for almost 10 years also. Besides that he has appeared in many local South Florida programs, has been interviewed many times by local papers ( yes maybe only a line or two) because he is a well-known local personality. And he caused enough of a ruckus during the Human Rights discussion by the UN in Geneva that the Cuban government felt it was necessary to mention him by name and explain his actions in a formal protest to United Nations. I a not going to get petty but I looked over an article that you mentioned in your list of articles mentioned JTV and the only reference that is given for that small local cable TV station is a link to its own web site. I feel that this article merits inclusion much more than that article but I also believe that both articles have a place here. Callelinea 18:35, 15 May 2007 (UTC) Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2007_May_12"

• • • Alright here are some more articles. The first one is actually all about Mr. Pollack and the rest he shows up prominantly in them.. I searched them in a newspaper web search engine ( http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives) he was easy to find. These show the name of the newspaper, the date of the article, and the title of the article.
      • El Nuevo Herald - May 19, 2000 - HENRY POLLACK: VEHEMENCIA ALTERNATIVA
      • The Miami Herald - July 25, 2001 - E-MAIL VIRUS ARRIVES IN MESSAGE PURPORTEDLY FROM CUBA
      • The Miami Herald - August 25, 1998 - CUBAN MUSICIANS FACE PROTEST
      • El Nuevo Herald - October 18, 1996 - RADIO REBELDE Y EMISORA DEL EXILIO UNEN FUERZAS PARA EMERGENCIA DE CICLON
      • El Nuevo Herald - September 23, 1996 - RADIO DE CUBA REHUSA DEBATE RADIAL CON MIAMI
      • The Miami Herald - August 22, 1995 - REACHING CUBA WITH ROCK 'N' ROLL
      • El Nuevo Herald - August 22, 1995 - HAVANA ROCK: NUEVAS ONDAS DE LIBERTAD RADIAL A CUBA

Does this help in changing the minds of those of you who do not believe he is notable or that he does not have enough references?Callelinea 20:46, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Responded on your Talk page. Thanks, --MCB 22:52, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Michael.. Thanks for pushing me to look further.. Callelinea 02:30, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Reverse Mortgage

Hello MCB,

Thank you for contacting me and explaining the reason my contribution does not meet the guidelines for inclusion on the reverse mortgage page. I appreciate you taking the time to clarify the rules for me, and I do understand.

However, can you explain why reference number 4 is acceptable, since it is a completely commercial site as well? http://www.newretirement.com/Services/Reverse_Mortgage_Fees.aspx

They sell financial planning services, and insurance products like annuities and long term care insurance, as well as referrals of reverse mortgage applicants to lenders.

Thanks again for your help.Sioris 19:34, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

How To Reach Specific Administrator

Hello MCB,

You assisted me last week with editing the Reverse Mortgage page in Wikipedia. However, the administrator HU12 is the one that initiated the "SPAM" warning to me. His talk page does not allow messages to be left. It says, if he made comments on my talk page, that he is watching my talk page.

He has not responded to any of the comments that I have left on my talk page. I am particulary interested in knowing why my contribution to the "resource" links would be unaccaptable while leaving 3 other completely Commercial external links intact.

The link that I placed in the article was on topic with regard to what happens to the heirs when the reverse mortgage ends, and landed on a specific page addressing that very issue.

Broker Universe (link number 4) has been added in the last couple of days and is a mortgage lead site.

Lending Hand Finance (link number 1) is a commercail website.

New Retirement (link number 5) is a commercial website.

I do not mind playing by the rules, but am wondering why the rules do not apply uniformaly across the board to all contributors.

Your feedback is appreciated, as well as any information on how I can specifically get in touch with HU12.

Thanks Again. Sioris 18:08, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

User:Atlpimpin770

With respect, you may not be ideally placed to make this call. In the absence of a qualifier like "my ride," I'm going to assume it refers to what it appears to refer to, viz. the facilitation or provision of a prostitute in the arrangement of a sex act with a customer. You may wish to consult female admin about whether she finds this practice, and hence this username, offensive, per 5: Offensive usernames. --Rrburke^(talk) 19:17, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Hi, and thanks for your reply. When you say "current slang usage," you appear to mean current American slang usage, and appear to be applying current practice among a fairly narrow American age-demographic (and sex-demographic as well, in all likelihood: I suspect this usage enjoys less currency among women, perhaps for obvious reasons) as a universal yardstick to measure offensiveness. On the other hand, English Wikipedia is read and edited worldwide -- including, for example, in India, which ranks high in the list of countries with the greatest number of English speakers. I doubt the sense of pimp you adduce enjoys any currency there at all (or, really, anywhere outside of North America), or that there the word has any sense that is not offensive, whatever a teenager in Altanta who wants to call himself Atlpimpin may intend.

It's for this reason, moreover, that I'm not persuaded the intention of the username's creator is necessarily apposite.

Cheers. --Rrburke^(talk) 21:13, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your help with Halfway house

Just to say thanks for reverting Halfway house (disambiguation). You may note on the anonymous user's talk page, I said I had made a mistake, which is true -- I thought I'd created a page about the novel last night that linked from the disambiguation page, but it turned out to be sitting in my sandbox (duh). Anyway, I gave him/her the benefit of the doubt for over-writing my link, because it really was a redline for about 12 hours, and so didn't give him an initial vandalism warning. But I think you've called it correctly. If s/he wants to go ahead and lay out pages about slang names for aspects of pub crawls, we can deal with them later. Cheers. Accounting4Taste 21:06, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

COI Templates.

Hi, I'm sending you a message because of your involvement with the Wikipedia:Templates_for_deletion/Log/2007_May_18#Template:COI_and_Template:COI2 discussion. The result of the TfD was no-consensus, but there was a significant expressed consensus for editing the templates to bring them into line with good practice. Unfortunately this has not happened, and the templates have been left pretty much in the state they were before the TfD. Would you like to assist in bringing these templates in line with good practice? --Barberio 16:44, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Proposal for complete deletion of section GAWC 1999 Edition [4] !

Reasons: a) outdated study published 8 years ago (conducted even earlier) b) 2004 Edition is available and reflects the current state c) presenting two editions is no extra information value d) The GAWC 1999 studies in general pretends to define a status of major cities but only focuses economic data. This is misleading and already resulted in a widespread citation within Wikipedia major city articles. Proposal: If there are no multiple serious arguments for keeping it, the section should be deleted within the next 7 days. all the best Lear 21 15:18, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

June 2007 Wikiproject Food and Drink Newsletter

WikiProject Food and Drink Newsletter June 2007

Chris Daly Redux

Thanks for contacting me. I thought I was the only one riding herd on this article. I don't think those are Telogen's sock puppets. It's just some guy at a computer. I'd appreciate it if you'd protect the page for a while. It helped last time. My best. Griot 23:31, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

On another subject, would you mind looking into the sock puppet at the Ralph Nader article? I think that guy might be Telogen. Griot 00:23, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Chris Daly Redux Redux

The anon at Chris Daly is going nuts, puttng up Notability, Conflict of Interest, Tone, and Cleanup notices,as shown here. Can yhou please block this article to anons? Thanks. Griot 16:41, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, friend. Griot 18:02, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Chris Daly Part Trois

A reply to the message you left on my "talk" page (if everyone calls them "talk" pages, then why does the tab always say "discussion"?):

Well, first of all, it's not my "personal summary"; I didn't even write the paraphrase. But the salient point is that certain editors feel there's something sacrosanct about the M&R quote, which is ludicrous. This is not a public official being quoted, nor a well-known source, but a couple of newspaper columnists who are paid, after all, to dig dirt and dish. Hardly encyclopedic stuff, I'd say. Also sounds like you, or some of the other editors defending this, have an anti-Daly agenda they'd like to work in here if possible. Look, the original source material is only a couple of clicks away for those who are interested, and there's plenty of other hot stuff there about Daly's behavior as it is; what's the big deal? ILike2BeAnonymous 08:01, 25 June 2007 (UTC)