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"Purely pictorial" means "exclusively pictorial, that is, intuitive and not discursive."Lestrade (talk) 01:46, 3 January 2022 (UTC)Lestrade

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Thanks!

	Your message of 2006 on Xenophanes
	Only just saw it. Haven't been much of a clued-in user of wikepedia. Thanks for the note of appreciation. J. Sheldon (talk) 11:59, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

Three of Spinoza's ideas

Back in 2006, you have added the some lines to the topic Baruch Spinoza:

The attraction of Spinoza's philosophy to late eighteenth-century Europeans was that it provided an alternative to Materialism, Atheism, and Deism. Three of Spinoza's ideas strongly appealed to them:

the unity of all that exists;

the regularity of all that happens; and

the identity of spirit and nature.

I am very interested to know where these three ideas are to be found as a list in any literature on the subject? Thanks!

Ingmardb (talk) 19:30, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

It looks like it is from Lange, The History of Materialism and Criticism of Its Present Importance [1] — goethean 20:34, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

Thx, this is very helpful! I will add references in both articles (Pantheism controversy and Baruch Spinoza). Ingmardb (talk) 23:59, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

you added Schopenhauer to Mortal Coil

I tried to look up your addition to the Mortal Coil page, made awhile back, 9 February 2008. I found Parerga und Paralipomena in Google Books and while I don't read German, it sure doesn't look like he's talking about Shakespeare. https://books.google.com/books?id=WuUOAAAAIAAJ&dq=Parerga und Paralipomena&pg=PA371#v=onepage&q=Parerga und Paralipomena&f=false You say that he is? 68.175.11.48 (talk) 22:02, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

Schopenhauer began § 232a with a reference to Shakespeare’s Hamlet. “The story in Apuleius, of the widow with a vision of her husband who had been murdered at the chase, is wholly analogous to that of Hamlet.” In Apuleis’s Metamorphoses, or The Golden Ass, Book 8, 1-14, Charite’s husband appears to her in a dream and tells her that her suitor Thrasyllus killed him and arranged the murder to look like a hunting accident. Schopenhauer then added: “Here I would like to insert a conjecture concerning Shakespeare’s masterpiece. It is, of course, very bold, yet I would like to submit it to the judgment of those who really know. In the famous monologue: ‘To be or not to be,’ we have the words: ‘when we have shuffled off this mortal coil,’ which have always been considered obscure and even puzzling, and yet have never been thoroughly explained. Should there not have been originally ‘shuttled off’? This verb itself no longer exists, but ‘shuttle’ is an implement used in weaving. Accordingly, the meaning might be: ‘when we have unwound and worked off this coil of mortality.’ A slip of the pen could easily have occurred.” Your Google Books citation does not include § 232a. It goes from § 232 to § 233, skipping §232a.Lestrade (talk) 23:35, 29 May 2016 (UTC)Lestrade

I do not know why § 232a is not included in the German-language editions of Parerga and Paralipomena, Volume 2, that are found on the Internet. My copy of the book is published by Suhrkamp Taschenbuch Wissenschaft and it contains § 232a. “Sei hier einer das Meisterstück des Shakespeare betreffenden Konjektur eine Stelle gegönnt, welche zwar sehr kühn ist, die ich jedoch dem Urteil der wirklichen Kenner vorlegen möchte. In den berühmten Monolog ‘To be, or not to be’ ist der Ausdruck: ‘When we have shuffled off this mortal coil’ stets dunkel und sogar rätselhaft befunden und nie ganz aufs reine gebracht worden. Sollte nicht ursprünglich gestanden haben: ‘shuttled off’? Dies Verbum selbst existiert nicht mehr; aber ‘shuttle’ heißt ‘das Weberschiffchen’ und ‘coil’ ein ‘Knäuel,’ wonach der Sinn wäre: ‘Wenn wir diesen Knäuel der Sterblichkeit abgewickelt, abgearbeitet haben.’ Der Schreibfehler konnte leicht entstehn." Lestrade (talk) 01:36, 30 May 2016 (UTC)Lestrade

I can only assume that the final edition of P & P contained the reference to Hamlet's mortal coil analogy. The earlier editions or edition did not contain that reference.Lestrade (talk) 20:05, 1 April 2023 (UTC)Lestrade

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Help with Philosophical pessimism and Antinatalism#Asymmetry between good and bad things

Hello there! I see you've been quite active in some things related to the above mentioned pages. I'm pinging you @Lestrade: directly to ask for some help. I've started 3 initiatives for these pages. If you could spare some time in the near future, could you please take a look at the proposal and voice your opinion? Of course, if you have interest, time, and energy to participate that would be amazing!

Here are the projects:

1. Talk:Philosophical_pessimism#A proposal for an overhaul of the article — this initiative is already in progress. The idea is to raise the quality of the page by switching it from a mere historical account to a more encyclopedic format.

2. Talk:Philosophical_pessimism#A proposal to split the History into a dedicated page — related to the one above. The historical account is overly detailed. It would be much better to have a dedicated page for the history of philosophical pessimism and leave only a brief history in the main page.

3. Talk:Antinatalism#A proposal to create a dedicated page for Benatar's axiological asymmetry — here, the idea is to extract the axiological asymmetry argument into a dedicated page. This way, a more detailed presentation could be given. In addition, we could expand on the various responses others philosophers made and counters from Benatar. Other pages could have a brief description and link to the details page.

I hope at least some of this will spark your interest! Fantastiera (talk) 13:59, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

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