Lejman

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TF:Suiko

Just add yourself to the list! Thanks for your interest! Also, feel free to edit/change/add anything to the TF goals that you see that could use work. bwowen talk•contribs 04:22, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

TY for correction

Hi there LEJMAN, VASCO here, from PORTUGAL,

Thank you very much for your correction in PETER FROJDFELDT (referee)'s article, regarding the translation of the EXTERNAL LINK in SWEDISH. I can assure you that, even though i am PORTUGUESE, i was not trying to vandalize, i just arranged a LINK title the best i could. I am not even that big a fan of soccer, and when i am, i now how to lose.

TY for your help, have a nice weekend, VASCO AMARAL, PORTUGAL - --217.129.67.28 (talk) 14:42, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Re: Thanks!

You'd done a good job, most of the articles for various nations are in a bit of a mess but Sweden's looked good. One of the main thing I did was simply to centre text in the boxes. If your interested you can find some useful info at WikiProject Olympics. -Basement12 (talk) 22:49, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

The Working Man's Barnstar

		The Working Man's Barnstar
		For the vast number of edits to keep Sweden at the 2008 Summer Olympics up to date. - Basement12 (talk) 16:53, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

List/hockey

Lots of editors means that it shouldn't be PRODed, it should be brought to AfD. 76.66.198.171 (talk) 12:14, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

I have added a comment on the talk page. 76.66.198.171 (talk) 12:19, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

2010 FIFA World Cup qualification - UEFA Group Stage (2nd place)

Thanks for catching my mistake and courteously notifying me. Rolando (talk) 21:35, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Template:2010 FIFA World Cup qualification - UEFA Group Stage (2nd place)

Currently, Russia should have 7 matches played under the current rule for 2nd place teams. Azerbaijan is in last place and will likely finish there. Kingjeff (talk) 14:57, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Template:2010 FIFA World Cup qualification - UEFA Group 5

Who came up with the idea of a new color scheme for secured second :| We should go with the same color scheme as used in the other confederations :| Lejman (talk) 20:15, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

No idea who started it. Did try to remove it here but was reverted - and another group table has since been edited to have this new colour. 188.221.79.22 (talk) 20:18, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

and now both tables have been changed back to not include this colour. 188.221.79.22 (talk) 20:20, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject Floorball

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Triple Gold Club development

Canada: Eric Staal (Chris Pronger, Scott Niedermayer already qualified) Slovakia: Miroslav Šatan USA: -

2010 IIHF World Ranking

Hi, I hope my results are correct.

I used this pre-championship table at http://www.iihf.com/sk/channels10/iihf-world-championship-wc10/home/pre-champ-ranking.html and I added points from this 2010 Championship. If you make it, you get my numbers.

e. g. table for Czech Republic

Event

• WC 2007
• WC 2008
• WC 2009
• OG 2010
• WC 2010

Place

• 7th
• 5th
• 6th
• 7th
• 2nd or 1st :-)

Points

• 1020*0,25=255
• 1060*0,50=530
• 1040*0,75=780
• 1020*1,00=1020
• 1160*1,00=1160
• 2585 (Pre-Champ.) 1160=3745

You were wrong because you worked with 2010 Ranking AFTER OLYMPICS which consists of WC 2006 (25%), WC 2007 (50%), WC 2008 (75%), WC 2009 (100%), OG 2010(100%). Yeah. It is little bit weird this Ranking exists but here was that problem. So try your math again with WC 2007 (25%), WC 2008 (50%), WC 2009 (75%), OG 2010 (100%) - Pre-Champ WC 2010 (100%) and you will see correct numbers. :-) --CZMajkl (talk) 01:12, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

Czech lucky warriors stopped the Swedish tactic machine... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnVvjjlMe6U One of the nicest TV moments with Czech ice hockey... I hope that Swedes will defeat Germans. Dont worry, Swedish hockey have a future.

Thanks for your help

Thanks for your help on the FIS Nordic World Ski Championships 2015. Greatly appreciated. Chris (talk) 23:17, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Realms of Despair

Hi Lejman, I tried to make the Realms of Despair page easier to understand by a non-MUDder. Would you mind checking it for accuracy? Thanks, GentlemanGhost (talk) 22:03, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

2014 ice hockey qual.

you are right on every count there, not sure how to show bold and italicized at same time. I was working on it when a storm knocked out my connection, really don't know what is best. Maybe bold only for teams that are finished?18abruce (talk) 23:58, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Interesting hockey math situation

Hi, Lejman, you are good at hockey math. I have one question about one possible situation.

If GER beats CZE for 3 points, NOR beats DEN and GER beats NOR in OT, three teams will have 11 points. CZE, GER and NOR. GER - 5 points in subgroup CZE - 2 points NOR - 2 points

What next? CZE will advance, because has better match against NOR? Or decisive will be goal differential and goals scored in subgroup? http://www.iihf.com/competition/272/homeiihf/format-rules.html This page offers both interpretations. I think second option is probable. What do you think about? --CZMajkl (talk) 17:24, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, CZE would then be ahead of NOR due to head-to-head record between the two, this goes before goal difference which is only used when the points are equal everywhere. (Like when 3 teams have one win and one loss each.) They're not super clear on the rules on the site, but just before Step 1 it says "This process will continue until only two teams remain tied. The game between the two remaining tied teams would then be the determining tie-breaker as the game between these two teams could not end as a tie.", and they basically mean just that; keep doing sub-groups and sort by points where possible, if not possible, goal difference etc applies. -- Lejman (talk) 18:09, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

Wheelchair rugby

Hi there! Looks like I kept you waiting there. Anyway, thanks for the compliment, may I say your navbox template looked pretty solid as well. By the way, do you speak Swedish? Arbero (talk) 00:07, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

Of course I speak Swedish. Which language do you prefer to speak in? Arbero (talk) 09:54, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

Germany - four entries

You did not respond to my argument at all - please read it more carefully:

The IOC cannot be seen as the single authoritative source on this article, as the IOC itself does not publish all-time tables, and publishes only unofficial tables per single Games. Therefore this article is in violation with WP:No original research! The official source for the German National Olympic Committee (DOSB) does list the Olympic Medals for Germany from 1896 to 2012 → [1].

There were no official country codes before 1976: Only in 1976 did the IOC start to assign standardized codes. Before that time, the local Organizing Committees of each Olympic Games had chosen codes, often in the local language, resulting in a multitude of codes.

At the Games of 1956, 1960, and 1964 the German team was simply known as "Germany" and the usual country code of (GER) was used. Yet, the IOC code EUA is currently applied in hindsight in the IOC medal database, without further explanation given.

Yugoslavia does not exist anymore as a country - the FRG does. The (FRG) Federal Republic of Germany did not cease to exist. It was a simple code change, same country, same NOC. NO alternate NOCs: EUA, FRG and GER have always had the same German National Olympic Committee (NOC) recognized in 1895, same NOC President (Willi Daume, 1960–1993), same Olympic Committee located in Frankfurt - only the codes have changed. Germany is officially still called (FRG), the Federal Republic of Germany - it's the same country, with the same NOC since the first modern Games held in 1896 - only the GDR had a separate NOC, because it was a separate country (although not recognized by Germany). "West Germany" did never exist, and is nothing more than the common English name used for the Federal Republic of Germany or FRG. The "enlarged" Federal Republic of Germany (known simply as "Germany") is thus the continuation of the pre-1990 Federal Republic of Germany - the very same country, with the same National Olympic Committee since 1895. --IIIraute (talk) 02:18, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Even though IOC doesn't publish combined all time medal counts, it does publish a listing of each nation's medal count in every olympic game it has competed in (like on [2]. Adding those numbers together is routine calculations and as such not original research.

Serbia and Montenegro claimed to be Yugoslavia. This was not recognized internationally, but when Montenegro left Serbia and Montenegro, Serbia claimed to be the successor state of Serbia and Montenegro, and was recognized internationally as such. That means that Serbia is considered the same country Serbia and Montenegro was, in international relations. This is in fact very similar to the situation between Germany and West Germany when East Germany left.

As for the Germany-EUA-Germany thing in hindsight, I agree it was a bit weird. Especially sorting the 1952 team with present-day Germany is weird, I'd sort it with EUA myself. Nevertheless that's how IOC does it, and we'd need really good reasons to not follow them on this. I consider successor state to be a good argument to combine results, but that's for some reason not how IOC does it. -- Lejman (talk) 02:52, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. Germany is not the successor state of the FRG - it is the very same country. Germany or West Germany does/did not exist - it is the Federal Republic of Germany (FRG) before and after 1990. The IOC listings are unofficial - the official source for the German National Olympic Committee (DOSB) which is part of the IOC does list the Olympic Medals for Germany (FRG & GER) from 1896 to 2012 → [3]. There is absolutely no reason to not accept the DOSB as a valid source. You also did not comment on the fact that before 1976 there were no official country codes. Only in 1976 did the IOC start to assign standardized codes. Before that time, the local Organizing Committees of each Olympic Games had chosen codes, often in the local language, resulting in a multitude of codes. --IIIraute (talk) 03:49, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Successor state pretty much means "the same country", which is why they are interesting and important. That said, the main point is that West Germany is a successor state of old Germany (like Serbia is to Serbia and Montenegro), so there is no reason to combine Germany's pre-1945 results with West Germany's post-1945-results. I already agreed that IOC's country code system is unpredictable at times. Personally I'd probably prefer to either not count any pre-1990 results as part of present-day Germany, or just combine historic FRG with present-day Germany (but not any older results) but I know that's not how IOC does it, so I'll support their way. -- Lejman (talk) 04:02, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Not correct. Under international law, the FRG is not the successor state of "pre-1945 Germany", the Weimar Republic, etc. It is the same sovereign country - with the very same NOC since 1894. Only the codes have changed. And again, could you please explain to me why the DOSB (which is part of the IOC) should not count as a valid source?--IIIraute (talk) 04:21, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

DOSB is not an invalid source, but IOC is a higher authority. The details are intriguing, but for some reason Russia doesn't get Russian Empire's medal count either despite being the same legal entity technically. -- Lejman (talk) 04:50, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

How can the IOC have higher authority, when the DOSB is part of the IOC and DOSB president Thomas Bach is the vice-president of the International Olympic Committee and member of the executive board of the International Olympic Committee. There also isn't a WP guideline to only use one, or the "highest" source - if there are contradictions, one can let the reader decide by displaying both versions. Please also note: the reason why the German Empire, Weimar Republic and Germany (Third Reich) are combined is simple: because they had the same NOC - that's how the IOC does sort the countries - by NOC's. Country-Code (FRG) Federal Republic of Germany and country-code (GER) Federal Republic of Germany, did/do have the same NOC - only the codes did change. Other country codes did change: HOL to NED for the Netherlands, for example. Why are they combined? - because they kept the same NOC. Quote: "When different codes are displayed for different years, medal counts are combined in the case of a simple change of IOC code... as the medals are attributed to each NOC."

Please also note: "Routine calculations...are allowed provided there is consensus among editors that the calculation is an obvious, correct, and meaningful reflection of the sources." I guess we'd have a problem here - just have a look at the talk-page archive. --IIIraute (talk) 05:10, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

DOSB is a part of the IOC, it's a subgroup of the IOC. IOC is in charge of the olympics. I don't see how a subgroup can take presidence over the parent organisation in charge of things. Sorting by NOCs isn't entirely true, and I agree that that line on the Wikipedia page is problematic. Serbia still uses old Yugoslavias, and Serbia and Montenegro's, NOC, founded in 1919 in Croatia. I checked your DOSB source and couldn't find olympic medal listings at all, could you give a more specific link? I'm not even sure which results you'd like to see combined of pre-WW2 Germany, West Germany, East Germany, Combined Germany in 1952, EUA and present day Germany. Knowing this would help understand your position.

I'd argue that the page is a good reflection of the sources. I understand you disagree on which sources to use, but are you also saying the listed numbers are farfetched, meaningless or incorrectly reflecting the source used? -- Lejman (talk) 15:17, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

As a subgroup, the DOSB is still part of the IOC and therefore a valid source - and as I wrote earlier: "...there isn't a WP guideline to only use one, or the "highest" source - if there are contradictions, one can let the reader decide by displaying both versions." At the DOSB source you have to enter a specific search (year) to see the olympic medal listings/results - there is no direct link.

I did specify on putting what codes together - the ones that had the same NOC: Germany pre-1945 (GER), and the Federal Republic of Germany (FRG, GER, EUA). The German Democratic Republic/East Germany (GDR) did have a seperate NOC - therefore should be listed seperately.--IIIraute (talk) 16:05, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

EUA represented two NOCs though, not one. Anyhow, I can't find anything meaningful filling in a year. If I search for 2008, I find this:

Event 	Datum 	Ort 	Sportart 	 
WM 	20.12.2008 	Levallois FRA 	Judo 	Wettkämpfe
KBEM 	11.12.2008 	Rijeka CRO 	Schwimmen 	Wettkämpfe
EM 	06.12.2008 	Oernskoeldsvik SWE 	Curling 	Wettkämpfe
EM 	02.12.2008 	Skopje, Ohrid MKD 	Handball 	Wettkämpfe
WM 	22.11.2008 	Ningbo City CHN 	Boxen 	Wettkämpfe
EM 	05.11.2008 	Liverpool GBR 	Boxen 	Wettkämpfe
EM 	01.11.2008 	Konya TUR 	Taekwondo 	Wettkämpfe
WM 	19.10.2008 	Plzen CZE 	Schiessen 	Wettkämpfe
EM 	18.10.2008 	Alkmaar NED 	Radsport 	Wettkämpfe
WM 	11.10.2008 	Tokyo JPN 	Ringen 	Wettkämpfe
WM 	03.10.2008 	Tokyo JPN 	Judo 	Wettkämpfe
EM 	03.10.2008 	St. Petersburg RUS 	Tischtennis 	Wettkämpfe
WM 	30.09.2008 	Rio de Janeiro, Brazilia BRA 	Fussball 	Wettkämpfe
WM 	24.09.2008 	Varese ITA 	Radsport 	Wettkämpfe
 	 Blättern in 145 Datensätzen  	

Are you clicking anything else before filling in a year on [4] ? -- Lejman (talk) 16:49, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Go back in time and you will see that all (FRG,GER,EUA) results are displayed with GER - only "East Germany" is shown as seperate NOC (GDR).--IIIraute (talk) 17:00, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

for example:

Olympische Spiele 24.07.1976 Montreal CAN

Wettkämpfe Federal Republic of Germany (GER) 1. Braun, Gregor Radsport M Bahn Einzelverfolgung 1. Mannschaft Segeln M Flying Dutchman 1. Mannschaft Segeln M 470er 1. Smieszek, Karlheinz Schiessen M KK-Gewehr 50-m liegend 1. Mannschaft Radsport M Bahn Mannschaftsverfolgung 1. Pusch, Alexander Fechten M Degen - Einzel 1. Mannschaft Fechten M Florett - Mannschaft 1. Mannschaft Pferdesport Mix Dressur - Mannschaft 1. Richter, Annegret Leichtathletik F 100-m-Lauf 1. Schockemoehle, Alwin Pferdesport Mix Springreiten - Einzel 2. Lind, Ulrich Schiessen M KK-Gewehr 50-m liegend 2. Kratschmer, Guido Leichtathletik M Zehnkampf 2. Hehn, Juergen Fechten M Degen - Einzel 2. Boldt, Harry Pferdesport Mix Dressur - Einzel......etc, etc.

...so, use the link → choose a year (1972 or 1976, for example) → choose a Sportart/Wettkämpfe → then click on a German flag or better "Medaillenspiegel" above → click on Federal Republic of Germany → Federal Republic of Germany (GER) and you'll see: FRG=GER.--IIIraute (talk) 17:15, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Ah, okay I get it. I found the medal listing for the 1960 olympics here: [5] and for 1936 olympics here [6]. In 1960 the team is referred to as Gemeinsame deutsche Mannschaft DDR/BRD, in 1936 Germany (until 1945). In 1952 they call the team Federal Republic of Germany though [7]. Haven't checked through it all, but based on this I'd guess the DOSB combines West Germany, present day Germany and the 1952 team, but sort pre-1945 Germany, East Germany, and "EUA" seperately. -- Lejman (talk) 17:19, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

...quite a mess - isn't it? I am still convinced that the table should be organized by NOCs - GER & FRG, as well as GDR - don't know about EUA, although the team did compete as Germany with the code (GER).--IIIraute (talk) 17:29, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

It is. It really is. Despite prefering IOC over DOSB as source, I think it'd be fair to put a note on Germany's medal totals in the table to mention which results the NOC considers part of present-day Germany (eg. 1952 and 1972-today), and what medal totals that would lead to.

The information you're suggesting is listed on under Germany at the Olympics, which is divided into summer and a winter pages. There all the different German results (including EUA, East Germany and Saar) are presented, with a medal total for all of them. There it could be worth mentioning that if the German results are combined, they'd be 3rd overall (behind USA and a combination of Russia/Soviet Union/EUN/Russia) in Summer game standings, and 3rd overall (behind Norway and Russia/Soviet Union/etc) in Winter standings. (And to motivate why this information is relevant there one of Kraut Funding's references on the Talk:All-time Olympic Games medal table that did combine the German results could be used. -- Lejman (talk) 23:55, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for the information - I will have a look through it.

What annoys me most is that there is no reason not to combine the German medals. The article exists so people can look up the total medal standings of different nations. The division of FRG, GER, and EUA seems very political motivated as there is not a single logic reason to do so - apart from saying "that's how the IOC does it". Regarding the USSR or Yogoslavia, etc. there is the problem of several successor states claiming the same medals - however for Germany that problem does not exist, as there are no separate successor states doing such claims, so one could easily combine the different codes, even the GDR if there wasn't the problem that sometimes two teams did compete at the same discipline. FRG, GER, EUA and even GDR did always only represent athlets from what is now one country again, with FRG, GER, EUA always having represented the same "Germany". There is hardly a newspaper in the world that does not combine the medalcount, and definitely not a lack of reputable sources, but it all doesn't seem to matter - just imagine you'd deny Germany the FIFA Worldcups of 1954 and 1974. Unfortunately political motivation seems to prevail over reason.--IIIraute (talk) 01:44, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

I understand your frustration, if I was in charge of deciding how it were to be done I'd follow UN's definition of successor states. That'd mean GER-FRG-GER would get combined. EUA is a bit trickier. (It'd also mean Russia-Soviet-EUN-Russia, and Serbia & Montenegro-Serbia would get combined, but not Yugoslavia.) A problem is IOC's shift from "nations" in the beginning to "countries" today. Examples are Norway, Sweden, Finland, Austria and Hungary - all nations that participated independently in the beginning despite being parts of bigger countries (Sweden-Norway, Russian Empire and Austria-Hungary) in the past. So there's some illogic to their whole deal. -- Lejman (talk) 07:46, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

As for sources a googling for medal tables gives varying results. [8] shows 573 total medals for Germany in Summer games, [9] shows 717.5, [10] shows 618 and [11] shows 851. I think the last two might be up to 2008 only, but the other two are including the 2012 games. (None of them agree on Sweden either, with totals ranging from 470 to 483. If you add Sweden's 2012 medal count to the fourth page you get the result listed in the first page, so those may be in agreement.) -- Lejman (talk) 07:46, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

Second-placed teams

Indeed, it is possible for Montenegro to end up as the worst runner-up, though highly unlikely; thanks for correcting me. I added the extra notes because we had similar extra notes two years ago - recall the history of Template:UEFA Euro 2012 qualification (2nd place). --Theurgist (talk) 21:08, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, it's an outlandish scenario, but not completely impossible. I missed Armenia scenario at first, it happens :P Good thinking on the extra notes! I had forgotten about that :D -- Lejman (talk) 23:38, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

EuroBasket

Hey, here it does not say anything about percentage. Or am i wrong? Just that the teams are ranked by points and so on... Kante4 (talk) 14:34, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

Hope it's right. Yup, i was planning to wait until all games have been finished and update it then. Kante4 (talk) 17:56, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

Random Environmental Science conversation

Hi there! I stumbled upon your user page, and noticed you are studying Environmental Science in Stockholm. I too am studying Environmental Science at The University of Toronto in Toronto. Sorry for randomly bothering you, but I always like chatting with someone that has the same interest as me and that studies something out of the ordinary. :) It's just that when I tell people I'm studying Environmental Science, they often give me a look of confusion. It isn't your typical doctor and lawyer job. I guess since it is a newer type of field, you can get some confused looks... Do you sometimes have the same experience in Sweden? People also often confuse Environmental studies with Environmental science, which I find quite annoying really. But it isn't their fault I guess since the fields aren't widely known by the older generations. Environmental Studies and Environmental Science are two very different aspects. You probably already know this but, the "studies" part is more of social science aspect and not really science at all. With the "science" part, it deals with the "hard sciences" like chemistry, biology, etc. etc. Two very different things. I am interested in environmental remediation, the removal of chemical contaminants, etc. from soil, waters, air etc. to restore ecosystem health as well as ridding it as efficiently as possible before it can contaminate human drinking water, lands etc. What are your specific interests? I believe it is very important to preserve our natural environment for future generations and must not be taken for granted. It is sad to see the path we are headed down right now as a society. If we keep it up, the world will be a very different place for the worse. But big corporations don't care about this, all they are about is money... Very sad the environment is often compromised in the process. In Toronto, Ontario, Canada, where I live, the market for Environmental specialists isn't the greatest. Out in Calgary, Alberta, Canada, in the Athabasca oil sands there is lots of opportunity where the money is good for obvious reasons. How is the market in Sweden? You must like what you are studying? We don't always do it for the money. How far along are you in your studies? I am only in first year, but have landed cooperative education so I can compliment in class studies with work experience so I can hopefully get my foot in the door faster so to speak. Do they have this in Sweden? Anyway, thanks for your time and I hope I didn't go on too much! Good luck with your studies! Regards, Vaselineeeeeeee (talk) 02:04, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

Eurovision Song Contest 2016 Table

Jury vote   Televoting vote		Voting results
			Total Jury/Televote Score
	Belgium	181	130		4	12	5		4			10			2	8				10	5			3	12	6			5	4			3	4	5					8			10	10
			51			12										8			4					3		1				4				12	2				5
	Czech Republic	41	41		1		4			1	6		10					3					2	5	2											4						3
			0
	Netherlands	153	114			3				4		2			7	7	6	10	7		4		6	12	8		4	3		2					6			4	5	1	3	5	5
			39				6			10						7					3		2	6							3											2
	Azerbaijan	117	44						2		1			2								1	7							1				1			10				2	10		7
			73						8		8	1			6					7				1		2		3			6	8	7				6							10
	Hungary	108	52	1				4					5	4	10							3											7				1	2		3	10			2
			56	1	3			7	3		1		3	4	3					2		2							2		5		3			6		1	10
	Italy	124	90	8						10			3	3				2	12		3				6						8			6	12			10			5		2
			34	10																	1									1	7		4							1	3		7
	Israel	135	124	3		10		3		2			7	5		2		7		3	12				4		8	2	6	5	1			7	3	7			7	2	1		8	6	3
			11					6				2							3
	Bulgaria	307	127	4	7	8		8	1	6	3					6			10						10	7		1	2	10	10		2		8	3			4	10			1	1	5
			180	8		10	5	8	4	5	2		1	12	5			4	5	3	4	7	4		5	7	7	1		10	8	2	5	1	5	3		3	8	2	12	4		2	8
	Sweden	261	122				8		8						12	4	12	12	5	6	10		4	6	5		2	8				6		10										4
			139	3	2		7		2	1		3	7	1	2	12	10	10	2		8		7	12	2			7	7					2	7	10	2	4	1	5	1			1	1
	Germany	11	1																	1
			10				2																																				8
	France	257	148	10	12	6	7			8	7		8	7	5		1	1		4		6		2	3	8	7		1		6		5	5		1	7				7	8			6
			109		7	7	1	4		8	4		2	6		2	2	3				4	1	5		12	5		3		2	6	1	4	1		3				10	3	3
	Poland	229	7					2																					3				1		1
			222	5	1		12	3	6	12		6	4	2	7	5	1	5	7	4	10	3	8	10	10	4	10	5	6	2				10	10		5	7		4	5	10	5	8	10
	Australia	511	320	12	5		12	7	6	12	10	8	12	10		10	10	8	6	8	6	7	12	10		10	6	5	12	8	3	10	4	12	10	10	2		6	6	8	12	12	5	8
			191	12			3	2	1	4	3	5	5	5	1	10	4	7		1	5	5	3	8	6	5		6	5	3	12	5		5	8	7	4	5	6	3	4	12	1	4	6
Jury vote   Televoting vote			Total Jury/Televote Score
	Cyprus	96	43		6								1				4					8					1				5	2					4	5							7
			53		6							7					3	1				12	5				6									1	7		3						2
	Serbia	115	35								8	5	2																	7			6							5					2
			80				4				12		12														4			12			12							12			12
	Lithuania	200	104			7	1	5	10			1			3	5	5	6		5	1		3			1		10				4			2	2			8			2	7	12	4
			96	4		1								3		6	5			5				4	12		2	8				3	2		12			8				6		3	12
	Croatia	73	40			1	6				4			1	8					2				7		3				6		1													1
			33								10																			5			6						4	8
	Russia	491	130	7	2		3	12	12		5	6	6	12					1			12		8				7			4	7	8					7	1		4	6
			361	7	12	5	8	12	12	6	6	12	8	10	10	4	12	8	6	8	12	10	10	7	8	10	8	12	8	8	10	12	10	3	6	8		10	12	10	8	8	6	12	7
	Spain	77	67	6	3	5		1				4				1			3				5			4	12				2	8			7	5						1
			10			2													1																							1	2		4
	Latvia	132	69												1		8			7	2		8		1	5			7	3						6	3			7			3	8
			63						5								7	2		6					7				12			1			3	5	1	6						5	3
	Ukraine	534	211			2		10	7	3	12					12	7			12	7	2				12	10	12	8	12		12		3	4	12		12	12	12			6		10
			323	6	10	8	10	10	10	2	7	10	10	7	12	3	8	12	10	10	6	6	12		4	8	12	10	10	6	4	10	8	7	4	12	10	12	7	7	7	7	4		5
	Malta	153	137	2	8		10	6	5			7		6	6		2	5	4			4	10	4			5	4				3	12				8	3	10		6	7
			16		5	6		5
	Georgia	104	80		10					7		3									8	5					3		10							8	5	6						3	12
			24		8			1																			3	2	4															6
	Austria	151	31							5								4	8					1										8				1					4
			120		4	3				3	5	4	6		4	1	6	6	8		7	1	6	2	1	3		4	1			4		6		4	8			6	2	5	10
	United Kingdom	62	54	5		4									4	3	3								7						12						6	8	2
			8			4																			3						1
	Armenia	249	115				2		3		2	12	4	8					2			10	1			2		6	4		7	5	10	2			12		3	4	12	4
			134	2					7	7		8		8	8				12	12	2	8				6	1			7		7		8		2	12	2	2		6			7

2016 Olympics

Yeah, no problem. Sorry I didn't see your message earlier. Toolazy21

Oh sorry, I didn't notice that, I thought it was on overall standings that why I put it there. Maybe add the little note there. Matt294069 is coming 03:17, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

Ok that is good. That might mean that some of the other countries might have ordered it by gold medals as well. Matt294069 is coming 03:32, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

WIP

• Basketball - left to do:
  • M: All
  • W: All
• Fotboll - left to do:
  • M-ALG, ARG, COL, GER, HON, KOR, MEX, NGR, POR
  • W-AUS, CAN, CHN, COL, FRA, GER, NZL, USA, ZBW
• Handboll - DONE
• Field hockey - DONE
• Rugby - left to do:
  • M: All
  • W: All
• Volleyball, indoor - left to do:
  • M: All
  • W: All
• Water polo - DONE

2018 iihf group seedings

just wondered about the note about Denmark and France possibly switching groups, did that come up in an article, I haven't seen that anywhere?18abruce (talk) 20:09, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

@18abruce: I read somewhere that Denmark and Sweden would be placed in opposing groups, with adjustment to ensure that if they ended up together... without clarifying which team would get moved. It should've been on IIHF world's main site, but I can't find it now. (I was away on travel, thus the belated response.) -- Lejman (talk) 17:37, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

sweden at the winter olympics

I have been trying to keep track of all the changes in quotas, but Sweden and the FIS is very perplexing. I am sorry if I have changed totals prematurely, they seem to still be adjusting their totals. The most recent posted allocations that have not been reflected on the IOC site state that Sweden is now at 11 alpine skiers, but earlier this week it said 12, then it said 10, now 11. Sorry if I have confused things by changing the totals too quickly.18abruce (talk) 19:36, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

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Hey, good Job on editing the standings. Please keep in mind that we do not use templates anymore. See the basketball or the field hockey articles. Kante4 (talk) 12:49, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

@Kante4: Gah, okay. Didn't know that. So the new system references the tables in the men's tournament/women's tournament articles? No wonder I didn't notice that, Sweden does not excel in basketball or field hockey :P -- Lejman (talk) 13:03, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

Maybe at some point... :D Yes they are included in the article and can be transcluded by using the "section begin/end" code. Kante4 (talk) 13:15, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

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