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Tebriz khanete

@CuriousGolden:the founders of this Khanate added the Dunbilli nobility to this tribal Kurd.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donboli Frat070699 (talk) 15:27, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

Frat070699 I'm having hard time understanding your sentence, please try to write with better grammar. I think you're claiming that Donbols established the khanate. Which is not true. No source is given to this anywhere, including that article which only has one source that's even remotely close to what you said and it's from Encyclopedia Iranica, which in itself does not mention anywhere that the khanate was a kurdish one. If you have specific quote from another reliable source, I'd be happy to hear it.

— CuriousGolden (talk·contrib) 17:54, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

@CuriousGolden: Tabriz principality writes that it was founded among Dombilians http://tarix.info/azerbaycan-tarixi/feodalizm-dovru/204-t601briz-xanl305287305.html#sel=6:1,6:96 Frat070699 (talk) 00:27, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

@CuriousGolden: https://fa.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/خانات_تبریز Frat070699 (talk) 00:29, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

@Frat070699: Tarix.info is frankly not a reliable source. They do not provide any source for what they claim. Please find a reliable source — CuriousGolden (talk·contrib) 06:33, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

@CuriousGolden: Konuyu fazla uzatmak istemiyorum. İngilizce dombivli sayfasında diyor, aksi takdirde bu sayfayı düzenleyerek başlayabilirsiniz. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donboli Frat070699 (talk) 15:31, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

@CuriousGolden: I do not want to extend the issue too much. English dombili says on the page otherwise you can start by editing this page. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donboli Frat070699 (talk) 15:32, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

@Frat070699: I frankly don't enjoy having arguments as well, but unfortunately people don't always agree on stuff.

The page you linked does not have any reliable source for their claim. Even, hypothetically if they did, that would still not make the khanate a "Kurdish" khanate. Especially when the tribe is a turkic-speaking one. Ethnicity of ruler does not equal to what the country they're ruling over is.

Her iki dili anlıyorum, o yüzden ya Türk, ya İngilizce yazsan da olur. İksini de yazmak zorunda değilsin.

— CuriousGolden (talk·contrib) 18:36, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

Donbolli aşireti tarafından. Kurulduğu açıkçası tüm kaynaklarda yazıyor Türkçe mevzusuna gelirsek bu aşiret zamanla Türklesmiş olayın kısa özeti bu. @CuriousGolden: Frat070699 (talk) 19:35, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

https://islamansiklopedisi.org.tr/tebriz @CuriousGolden: İslam ansoklepedesindede bahsediyor zaten.

Frat070699 (talk) 19:40, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

Finally, you have provided a reliable source. I think we should mention in the article that the establisher of the Khanate was of Kurdish origin. But, still calling it a Kurdish Khanate, is very weird and wrong, as all the khanates of the time were considered "Caucasian Khanates" and would be better, for unbias sake, to be named like that. — CuriousGolden (talk·contrib) 20:32, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

Tabiki öyle adlandırılabilir ama Sonuçta Kürt tarihi ve hanedanliklari sayfasina ekledim diğer tarfatan bu Karanlığın Kürt kökenli olduğu belirtilmeli Bu düzenlemeleri yaparsınız Şimdiden teşekürler. @CuriousGolden: Frat070699 (talk) 22:01, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

Azerbaijan Edit

"Worsens sentence structure" 

How? --Sweetkind (talk) 15:17, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

@Sweetkind: Hello! The sentence you edited already was good enough and had good sentence structure, so, while I understand your edit was in good faith, I found the edit unnecessary. — CuriousGolden (talk·contrib) 15:26, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

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next time, please, more effort at reading, ok? --Geysirhead (talk) 10:43, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

What? — CuriousGolden (talk·contrib) 11:36, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

Fuzuli District

It doesn't matter, the de facto seat is still Horadiz. there is currently no single functioning building, so until it's rebuild, Horadiz is the de facto seat. Doesn't mean Fuzuli isn't under Az control. Beshogur (talk) 12:07, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

@Beshogur: Okay, sorry for confusion. — CuriousGolden (talk·contrib) 12:09, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

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Azerbaijanis in Armenia

Hello CuriousGolden. You recently reverted my correction of 100,000 to 58,000 as the number of Azerbaijanis sent from Armenia to Kur/Araz in the 1947 scheme. Actually the Arseny Saparov article referenced - which is accessible through this link https://journals.openedition.org/monderusse/8604#xd_co_f=NGFkNGRiNTAtM2YyMC00Nzc4LTlhZTktNjBhZGMwYzAzMGU5~ says pretty clearly in paragraph 13 that the plan was for 100,000 but that according to Azerbaijani researchers reporting to the Academy of Sciences in Baku in 1970, the actual figure was 58,000. [M. M. Allakhverdiyev, A. K. Aleskerov, “Regularities of changes in the territorial distribution and occupational cross–sections of the population in the Azerbaijan SSR” in Materials on economic history of Azerbaijan (presented to the Vth International Congress on Economic History) (Baku: Elm, 1970) p131.] That also fits better with the rebound of the Azerbaijani population statistics in the later 1950s. Best wishes, Malikbek

Thank you for pointing it out, I have added your edit. — CuriousGolden (talk·contrib) 18:51, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

Removal of move request in progress

Hello Curious Golden. Please undo this improper removal of a valid move request. If you think the move should not take place, you can support or oppose in the discussion itself. Your action is out of process. Thank you, EdJohnston (talk) 03:32, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

@EdJohnston: It was a move request I myself started and later realized was unnecessary, but I agree that it still shouldn't have been deleted. Added it back. — CuriousGolden (talk·contrib) 06:46, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

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@Beshogur: Hey, I'm somewhat confused about how I'm supposed to reply. Do I just explain the dispute from my view or propose solution? — CuriousGolden (talk·contrib) 18:02, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

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Azokh Cave

Hello, sorry, but I think that it's better to discuss you ths subject on this page, if you don't mind. I'd just like to note that considering the sources that we can see in the Article, it's strange decission:

1. "Azykh Cave". Archived from the original on 2017-12-23. Retrieved 2017-12-26. This sources says Azykh 2. V. Doronichev, "The Lower Paleolithic in Eastern Europe and the Caucasus: A Reappraisal of the Data and New Approaches" in PaleoAnthropology 2008, p.147, 132 and many pages. Also all note Azykh 3. Taphonomy and Site Formation of Azokh 1, in Azokh Cave and the Transcaucasian Corridor, 2016. Noted Azokh, but it's new studies of archeologists. Of cause, they use the name of the territory de-facto under the control of Nagorni-Karabakh authoroty. 4. According to the administrative-territorial division of Azerbaijan - Azykh. Against the administrative-territorial division of non-recognised Nagorni-Karabakh - Azokh. 5. this article refers only the name of the Cave, neither etymology of toponym, nor scientific studies of great archeologits(by the way no one of these specialists has page in internet to understand their level, but it's not important). There are administrative-territorial division of Azerbaijan before the konflict and new one, studies of archeologists in Soviet time (one of them in the Article as the source), all studies reg discovery in Cave since 1960 note the Cave as Azykh. If you think that my arguments are not enough as any Azeri sources, please, let me see sources about Azokh name before the konflict. Nobody can accept the decission after and during the konflict. Everybody call as they want. Many cities change their name accordance to the "winner". My target is correct and right information. Etymology could be negociated but this cave is known till 90-s only like Azykh Cave.Hope my next comment will be short.Aydin mirza (talk) 00:18, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello, can we close the discussion? I can't close it. how can we do it? Aydin mirza (talk) 12:10, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

@Aydin mirza: I believe an administrator comes and closes it themselves after 7 days, so we just have to wait. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 12:24, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

ok.I see. Thank you. Aydin mirza (talk) 14:30, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Khari Bulbul

Hi User:CuriousGolden, you recently reverted my edits to the Khari Bulbul page. You might not have realized that this was an attempt to revert earlier edits that had actually made an attempt to distort and eliminate factual information. The page is now a dishonest representation of the current reality, with no mention of the flower's endemic region to be within the Republic of Artsakh which it currently is. Your political, pro-Azerbaijani views aside, erasing factually-correct information from Wikipedia, and by extension, history, isn't a very intellectually honest thing a Wikipedia editor should be engaging in.

I hope you'll realize that I made no effort to erase any mentions of Azerbaijan or the Nagorno Karabakh Region from your edits. This is factually correct information, and in contrast, I don't believe my political views allow me to change anything.

As a more experienced Wikipedia editor, I hope you understand and add the relevant factual information yourself. Should Azerbaijan manage to invade Shusha in the next few weeks, I'm sure Armenians will be ethnically cleansed, alongside their memory, history will be rewritten regardless and this conversation will be moot. You can change it however you like, then. But if that were the case, it would be nice of you to include a "in what was once the Republic of Artsakh" in there too. Again, our collective memory is all we have. And as intellectuals, we shouldn't be affected by the politics of the day, joining militants in base propaganda.

Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Danniel33 (talk • contribs) 11:07, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

@Danniel33: You made no effort to erase mentions of Azerbaijan? Hm, weird. It must've been a ghost who changed all mentions of Azerbaijan to Artsakh, and Shusha to Shushi then. As a more experienced Wikipedian, I can tell you that this breaks WP:NPOV and WP:COMMONNAME. The "Azerbaijan" there stands to indicate what part of Karabakh it grows in, as parts of Armenia are also considered the region of Karabakh. I've removed the "Azerbaijan" in "Nagorno-Karabakh region of Azerbaijan" though, to achieve WP:NPOV. Not even going to reply to the third paragraph about invasion and cleansing as it'd lead to arguments. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 12:05, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

Demographics of the Jabrayil District

Wellp, I was trying to search 2020 Census of the population of Jabrayil District. So I've added «Historical Population» and used previous source. What that wrong? Niedrug (talk) 18:24, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

Was that* Niedrug (talk) 18:26, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

@Niedrug: It's okay, but you shouldn't change the format and put it in a weirdly-located box. You can just add it in, the same way the previous one is. Also, your edit kinda broke the whole thing and got rid of the ethnicities. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 18:32, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

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Battle of Shusha (2020)

Hi again CuriousGolden. Please take care when reverting edits – I noticed that you accidentally restored vandalism to the article with this diff, then wrongly templated the IP user who had just removed the vandalism. All the best, Jr8825 • Talk 11:15, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Small apology

I mistakenly undid your edit on the march days article instead of another edit. My apologies. Kevo327 (talk) 11:16, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

@Kevo327: That's alright, no worries. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 11:16, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Armenian Massacre of Jews in Quba

Hey bro, I see you are an experienced wikipedia user---as you know, there is some systemic bias when describing Armenian war crimes. Can you add your sources to the Jewish-Armenian Relations article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 185.120.126.65 (talk) 11:18, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

IAGS open letter

Salam Necesen? Men IAGS resmi mektub aldim ki, ele bir oficial letter olmayib. Bunu attach edib sohbeti baglaya bilersense sene gonderim emailine? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mirhasanov (talk • contribs) 16:55, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

@Mirhasanov: Salam, məni report eliyiblər. Ona görə o page-ə girə bilmirəm. Solavirum-a at. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 17:06, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Belke men de onlari report edim? Meni de elemishdiler amma sonra sildiler hec ne subut ede bilmediklerine gore. Indi Solavirumun sutune dusubler. Solavirum sene nece atim o emaili? Mirhasanov (talk) 17:11, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

CuriousGolden, Mirhasanov, mövzuya bələd adminlərdən biri ilə əlaqəyə keçə bilərsiniz. Tanıdıqlarımdan biri. --► Sincerely: SolaVirum 17:12, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Solavirum o axirinci defe mende dedi ki meni narahat etmeyin.

A barnstar for you!

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	You deserve this. You're civil, you're hard working, a good contributor, an absolute trooper if I do say so myself! So have this sparkly thing it's quite nice. FlalfTalk 15:44, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

ヽ(°〇°)ﾉ my first barnstar! thank you! — CuriousGolden (T·C) 15:47, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

It's well deserved :) Flalf^Talk 17:39, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Selective use of primary sources: Shusha / Shushi

You are very selective about the primary sources that you like to see in the Shusha article. Why some and not others? Laurel Lodged (talk) 16:17, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

@Laurel Lodged: I've already opened discussion and pinged you in the talk page of Shusha. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 16:18, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

"Historical context"

So a village changes hands over the course of several wars. Who says that that is not good information? Who says that maps of before / during / after are not good information. Laurel Lodged (talk) 13:35, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

@Laurel Lodged: I believe I've already made my points clear in your talk page. You can read that. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 13:41, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Nagorno-Karabakh war

Could you be a bit more accurate when linking to Nagorno-Karabakh war? This is a disambiguation page, not a page connected to the war itself. So please, make sure the link points to the right war. Please! The Banner talk 12:34, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

@The Banner: I made the links before the article name had been changed. I'm now in the process of changing them to First Nagorno-Karabakh war. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 12:35, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

Ah, okay. I have fixed a few already too. But with my Dutch-Irish view on matters, I only know of two wars and it is not immediately clear to me which one was intended. The Banner talk 12:50, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

@The Banner: Thanks for the help. Could you change them to just [[First Nagorno-Karabakh war]] rather than [[First Nagorno-Karabakh war|Nagorno-Karabakh war]]? That'd be easier for readers and it's what I'm doing. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 12:54, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

Removal of Armenian place names

Hey, it's good that you're updating the NK/Artsakh-related articles with regard to the changes in the de facto situation after the ceasefire deal between Armenia and Azerbaijan. However, please make sure to retain the former Armenian names in some form for historical purposes, I saw that you removed the Armenian place names on the Bağbanlar, Agdam and Aliağalı articles completely.

These place names represent useful information for the readers about the history of the region for the last 30 years, and should be taken into consideration when editing. AntonSamuel (talk) 20:29, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

@AntonSamuel: Sure, that's what I always do anyway. But, in these cases the Armenian name is just the Armenian script for the exact same name. No change at all. Therefore can't really put it as "It was renamed as X during occupation" since it wasn't renamed, it's the same name in different script. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 07:44, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

Good that you re-added the names, yeah I've seen that many Armenian place names around Kalbajar, Lachin and Agdam are transliterations of existing names into Armenian script, this can also be clarified if needed - however, they can still be useful when doing research about the region and searching for Armenian-language sources for example. AntonSamuel (talk) 10:13, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

Agreed. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 10:18, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

Azokh (village)

Hello, sorry for disturb, but no one responds in Talk Page. Regarding the citing, no problem, waiting for it. I applied concerning the name of the article. Do you think that the arguments in Talk Page are not enough to rename the article?--Aydin mirza (talk) 01:39, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

I do think some of the sources are not reliable or important enough. Would be better if you tried to find more sources. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 08:27, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

I've replied in Talk Page. Aydin mirza (talk) 12:12, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

Page moves

Hi, I've just done your requested page moves - let me know if any problems with them!. -Kj cheetham (talk) 11:19, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

Thank you. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 11:25, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

So there's a tag team? So much for "goodfaith". Laurel Lodged (talk) 13:33, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

@Laurel Lodged: I honestly don't understand what you meant by that. Could you elaborate? — CuriousGolden (T·C) 13:36, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

@Laurel Lodged: I'm still waiting for you to explain what you implied here. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 05:02, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

It appears that you have engaged in a policy of systematic renaming of placenames that were or are under the de facto control of the Republic of Artsakh since the end of the 2020 war. These renamings have, in all cases, favoured the Azeri version of the placenames. Furthermore, many have involved changes using non Latin characters. In this work, you are not alone. Many other editors with Azeri sympathies have engaged in similar work. The fact that there is communication between editors engaged in such work, as evidenced above, suggest that this is not just a happy coincidence; instead, it is suggestive of collusion - a "tag team", to use wrestling parlance. This is contrary to Wiki policy. It is also contrary to wiki policy to use non Latin characters in the English-language wiki. See Wikipedia:Naming conventions (use English) where is states "[Names not originally in a Latin alphabet, as with Greek, Chinese, or Russian, must be transliterated into characters generally intelligible to literate speakers of English.". On my talk page you asked about the implications; the implications are quite clear - place names using non Latin characters must be converted to Latin characters. This I intend to do. Laurel Lodged (talk) 18:25, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

@Laurel Lodged: Mate, Kj cheetham is a certified page mover that I have no relation to. I move pages I can myself and ask the pages I can't (e.g. page names that have letter "Ə", as they create an error that can only be moved by a page mover) to be moved by page movers in WP:RMT. Next, in case you haven't realized, Azeri letters are Latin script, including "Ə". If you had read literally the first sentence of WP:UE, you'd know that non-anglicized Latin titles are common to use for lesser known geographical objects. Any other questions? You have broken WP:GOODFAITH, WP:ETIQUETTE and WP:MEAN severely during almost all our discussions and I'm having enough of it. Follow the Wikipedia policies if you don't want to find yourself in WP:ANI. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 18:40, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

I withdraw the "tag team" comment. I I do not see where you get your interpretation of "non-anglicized Latin titles". The sentence used in the policy states, "...the non-anglicized titles Besançon, Søren Kierkegaard, and Göttingen are used because they predominate in English-language reliable sources". Is this the part on which your renaming actions rely? If so, then it does not apply because hamlets like Xərxan, Khojavend do not "predominate in English-language" sources. They scarcely feature in English-language sources at all outside of Wiki. On the other hard, if you are relying on a different part of the policy, I'd be grateful if you would point me to it. Laurel Lodged (talk) 18:53, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

I simply follow the norm, which is the use of extended Latin. WP:UE does not state that names in Latin need to be transliterated. And, since these small villages have not ever appeared in any foreign media, their WP:COMMONNAME comes from the local media which uses the non-anglicized names. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 19:30, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

That interpretation is contrary to the plain meaning of the policy. Please desist from making future changes based on this misinterpretation. Laurel Lodged (talk) 20:21, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

I didn't make it based on that interpretation. I made it based on the fact that only media reporting on it is local media which uses the non-anglicised name, which makes it the WP:COMMONNAME. If you have source in foreign media showing an anglicized version, then you can show it and we can change it. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 20:24, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

Move of Tigranakert of Artsakh

Regarding your move of Tigranakert of Artsakh to Tigranakert (Agdam): The "Tigranakert of Artsakh" name is related to histotic Artsakh name - "Artsakh (historic province)" of the Kingdom of Armenia (antiquity). If you have an issue with the name and wish to rename the article - open a move request discussion on the talk page. AntonSamuel (talk) 20:25, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

@AntonSamuel: Ah, didn't know that. I thought "Artsakh" was used to specify where it was, like in Tigranakert (Nakhchivan). Thanks for moving it back. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 20:29, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

Lachin Corridor

I am happy with the edit made by a third editor. I think that the edit war on this article can now be called off. Laurel Lodged (talk) 10:12, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

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Some baklava for you!

Thank you for fixing the march days article while I was still scratching my head thinking how to fix them. Kevo327 (talk) 10:37, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

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Names of Azeri villages occupied by Armenia

Please stop removing the Armenian names in the lede. The rule is that if there is a commonly used name for a place, it should be mentioned. I do not have a "side" in the AM-AZ conflict, but I am familiar with the region. To move the AM name for the place, which has been located for about 25-30 years inside territory controlled by AM (yes I visited this place), it is absolutely ABSURD not to mention the name which you need, for example, to drive to the place or ask about it. This is according to WP:COMMONNAME i.e. what is the name of the place that would be used to refer to it in English? By international law, the AZ name, by practicality, the AM name. We have the same conflicts for many "occupied" places, such as those in Palestine, believe me the Hebrew name of Bethlehem or Nazareth is mentioned in the lede. I think nationalism should be kept to the respective-language Wikipedia, do not bring it over to my language.00:06, 29 November 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Keizers (talk • contribs) 00:06, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

Not sure who you are since you didn't add a signature. But this is the norm in villages in Karabakh that are outside Nagorno-Karabakh. I and another Armenian editor edit these pages commonly and we've agreed to put them like this. If you have an objection, bring it to the appropriate article's talk page. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 13:01, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

Azerbaijani names

Hey CuriousGolden, I hope you're doling well. I see your interest in editing Azerbaijani-related articles. Will you be able to rename the names of Azerbaijani cities, towns and districts per USEENGLISH so it can be readable for non-Azerbaijani speakers? Thank you in advance. Sincerely, Գարիկ Ավագյան (talk) 13:07, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

@Գարիկ Ավագյան: Hi, I can rename significant towns/cities/districts, but not villages as most of them are not well-known enough to have any established English common name (and since the Azerbaijani alphabet is Latin, it's allowed per WP:UE). Hope that's fine. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 13:10, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

I think, that will be fine for now. Thank you for your efforts! Sincerely, Գարիկ Ավագյան (talk) 13:14, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

Şuşakənd

I knew was liberated Şuşakənd in 9 November 2020 during Battle of Shusha (2020) by Azerbaijan Army. However, I saw it was included in Askeran Province as de facto. Why ? Cemsentin1 (talk) 19:17, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

Because even though AzMOD announced its recapture, it has not been independently confirmed yet. There are conflicting reports about the village's control. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 19:32, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

References

Lachin corridor

Please provide sources for the claim that the Lachin corridor and the villages within it is under Azeri civil/joint Azeri/Russian military control - as far as I've seen the only video released has been from "Lachin district". AntonSamuel (talk) 09:40, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

@AntonSamuel: AzMOD released video from Lachin city and the flag of Azerbaijan is rising in the centre of the town. The previous video of the soldiers announcing that Lachin was returned was geolocated and it was inside centre of Lachin. It's pretty clear by now that Azerbaijan has control over it with Russian peacekeepers. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 09:45, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

Yes, I've seen that on Liveuamap: [1]. However I have not seen any reports regarding Azerbaijani soldiers being stationed within the Lachin corridor, but that they passed through it. The civil administration of the Lachin corridor and its towns has also not been clarified. See discussion here: [2] AntonSamuel (talk) 09:48, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

That's old. I linked a new video above of AzMOD that showed an extensive video from the city of Lachin. The statements of Aliyev have also confirmed that Lachin won't be administrated same way as remaining parts of Nagorno-Karabakh. We have enough evidence by now showing Azeri military/flag in the city. It's up to Armenians now to provide proof of them still being under control of the city. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 10:04, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

I'm sure you know Wikipedia's policy regarding neutral and reliable third-party sources. We know that Azerbaijani troops passed through Lachin, however unless there is clear confirmation that Azerbaijan has assumed control over the Lachin corridor in some manner - the status quo should remain. The burden of proof is on those that want to make controversial additions/changes to the article, not the other way around. AntonSamuel (talk) 11:08, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

Not sure how Azerbaijani army filming videos in Lachin and raising their flags over administrative buildings and bringing in their military equipment into the city (can be seen in video) isn't enough confirmation already. These are enough to show who controls it in my opinion. For context, it will most likely be like the Meghri corridor in Armenia connecting mainland Azerbaijan and Nakhchivan, where territory is governed by Armenia with Russian peacekeepers. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 11:51, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

Again, no proof has been provided that shows that the Lachin corridor is under Azerbaijani control (civil/military or both), only that they passed through and did a photo-op. I talked a bit regarding this issue with Solavirum as well [3], and he noted that Aliyev made a speech stating that Lachin city is not currently under Azerbaijani control, that his position was that another corridor should be built around the city in the upcoming years - however this is not necessarily a part of the ceasefire deal and up for negotiation. AntonSamuel (talk) 12:03, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

He, too, said that it's de jure Azerbaijan with Russian peacekeepers. My whole point is that it's not administrated by the self-proclaimed Republic of Artsakh anymore. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 12:04, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

Technically all of Nagorno-Karabakh is currently regarded as Azerbaijan de jure as well. I've provided sources before on the talk page that the Artsakh mayor and hundreds of Armenian residents remain, the status of the de facto civil administration - if it's still Artsakhi or some other form of local self-governance or another arrangement will be in place remains unclear. AntonSamuel (talk) 12:09, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

Your AN3 report about Lachin Corridor

Please see Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring#User:Laurel Lodged reported by User:CuriousGolden (Result: ) and let us know what remains to be decided. If it's not edit warring but something else, your complaint might belong on a different board. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 22:23, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

@EdJohnston: User has broken the 3RR rule on that page, which is why I reported them. I can report them to other boards about their disruptive, POV edits though. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 06:04, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

Result: No action

No proof of POV pushing or breeches of policy. And I didn't bother to even defend myself, I was that confident. I wonder if a report of your edits would have the same result. Laurel Lodged (talk) 17:55, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

Yikes. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 18:28, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

Requested move 4 December 2020 at 2020 Barda missile attacks

Hi, I have closed the request at Talk:2020_Barda_missile_attacks#Requested_move_4_December_2020. Please note that per WP:NOTMOVED, it is recommended to wait at least three months after a move request is closed before opening a new one. Vpab15 (talk) 11:59, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

Azerbaijan Democratic Republic

But the section doesn't have enough cites for verification? Sweetkind5 (talk) 11:29, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

I don't understand what that means. You removed the sources. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 12:39, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

Second Nagorno-Karabakh War

Hello, Mr Golden! I think it's time to move "2020 Nagorno-Karabakh War" to "Second Nagorno-Karabakh War". Because these votes are (oppose - 8), (support-23), and 3 week past. — Preceding unsigned comment added by EljanM (talk • contribs) 16:18, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi, please allow some time, then the move request will be closed by an administrator. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 16:20, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

Türksoy

Can you add Hakasia to the map in the International Organization of Turkish Culture Firatlal (talk) 20:43, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

Could you link which map you're referring to? — CuriousGolden (T·C) 20:47, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

Its this. --► Sincerely: SolaVirum 21:06, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

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Hin Tagher

Hi, I have added it back with a source. Which I see you removed again. You don't seem to understand that the village does not need to be in the control of Artsakh in order to be considered part of the self-declared Republic of Artsakh's Hadrut province. Just like it did not need to be under Azerbaijan's control to be a part of Azerbaijan's territorial structure. If you see a better way to word it, please do so. But please stop edit warring and removing information from the encyclopedia. It is, in fact, part of the territory called Hadrut province by the self declared Republic of Artsakh. I was going to add this to the talk page but since you pinged me and asked to write here, I am doing so. Thank you. --RaffiKojian (talk) 09:05, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

We don't add Artsakh's provinces if it's not de facto controlled by it. It's not an independent, recognised state, so their claim to the territory has zero value on Wikipedia unless they actually control it. Refer to Köhnə Tağlar's talk page to see our lengthy discussion that confirms Azeri control over the village. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 09:08, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

I have written on that page as well now, since you referred to it. Please reply to me there, because their claim is indeed not of "zero value" on Wikipedia. --RaffiKojian (talk) 09:11, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Çaykənd and Aşağı-Ağcakənd

Hello! You changed names of Çaykənd and Aşağı Ağcakənd to Getashen and Shahumyan. But these villages weren't in Nagorno-Karabakh. I think, you must change Getashen and Shahumyan to Çaykənd and Aşağı Ağcakənd in Nagorno-Karabakh map. EljanM (TALK) 10:45, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

What? They're not even changed. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 10:47, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

These villages names must be Azerbaijani names in 2020 Nagorno-Karabakh map. Because these villages weren't in Nagorno-Karabakh. EljanM (TALK) 10:57, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

I don't do edits on that map, you should ask someone else. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 11:02, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Qardaş ingilis dili səviyyəm 3-cü səviyyədir deyə çoxda yaxşı danışa bilmirəm. AntonSamuelə yazdım elə erməninin tərəfini tutmaqdan başqa birşey etmir. EljanM (TALK) 11:05, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

O kəndlərdə əvvəl ermənilər yaşayıb deyə erməni adları da var, yəni bu normal prosedurdu. Qalmasının problemi yoxdu. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 11:06, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Onda Vardenisin adı Basarkeçər olmalıdır. Sotk-un adı Söyüdlü olmalıdır.Çünki oralarda Azərbaycanlılar yaşayıb. EljanM (TALK) 11:10, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Çaykənd və Ağcakənd-i qondarma respublika öz ərazisi kimi sayır deyə elədi. Yəni "claim" edir oranı. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 11:12, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Qondarma respublika Gəncəni tələb eləsə oranın adı Gandzak olmalıdır? EljanM (TALK) 11:17, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Köhnə Tağlar

Qardaş siz Köhnə Tağlar adını erməni adı ilə əvəz olunmasını dəsdəkləyirsiniz? EljanM (TALK) 14:58, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

Seysulan

Seysulan was on contact line between Nagorno-Karabakh and Azerbaijan between 2016 and 2020. Its west was western part of Agdam district, was divided between provinces of Askeran and Mardakert in NKR. After ceasefire agreement, Agdam district returned to Azerbaycani control on 20 November 2020. Thus, Seysulan was separated from Martakert Province by Şotlanlı village of Agdam district according to https://caucasus.liveuamap.com/. So, Seysulan under control of Azerbaijan. Please accept my edit about Seysulan.Cemsentin1 (talk) 17:53, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

Liveuamap is not reliable and large part of that map is wrong. There is still a large area above Sholtanli that could still be under Russian peacekeeper control. So, unless you provide a better source/map showing the village as under full Azerbaijani control, I can't add it. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 18:04, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

Module:Nagorno-Karabakh conflict detailed map

An explanation here since I didn't finish the edit summary - many of the names you changed do not seemingly respond to their Soviet names. AntonSamuel (talk) 21:33, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Which ones specifically? Because I took all of them from the Soviet map, which is why I only changed some of the names, not all. We're not going to assume WP:COMMONNAME which contradicts an already established one without a proper discussion. Edit: Saw your new edit summary. "Qirmizi Bazar"'s move request is still on-going, so changing it now to Karmir Shuka is premature and Azykh being the WP:COMMONNAME has already been established in a discussion in its talk page. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 21:36, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

From the common name investigation so far, I would say "Karmir Shuka" seems to qualify. To be honest about Azokh/Azykh - that move request (which also wasn't closed by an admin) and the evidence/sources presented for it, looks pretty shady and probably won't stand up to the basic requirements of WP:AT/WP:COMMONNAME if a proper re-check is done. I've tried to do a preliminary check on a lot of NK villages, but there are many, and taking the advice that the admin gave on the Karakend talk page into consideration, beyond correcting the villages to their common names, the current move discussions may serve as a testing ground/a sample, to check if the process will work and consensus can be achieved (while not necessarily unanimity), or if an RfC for a naming convention is needed. So for now, I would argue that it's prudent for the Nagorno-Karabakh map, taking WP:NPOV into consideration, that historically Armenian majority localities in the former NKAO use their Armenian names, and vice versa for historically Azerbaijani localities, unless more clear and thorough common name investigations have already been done. Regarding "Shahumyan" which you changed as well - from a quick search, that will probably turn out to be the common name rather than "Aşağı Ağcakənd", and a Russian version of Shahumyan was also the Soviet name for the village. AntonSamuel (talk) 22:02, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Giving Armenian names to them has no basis if the page itself is not moved yet. What you think is prudent is your own WP:POV and unfortunately doesn't matter until a move is done that supports your POV. You even changed names of Azerbaijani-majority villages/towns inside Nagorno-Karabakh and gave new names to villages in Goranboy District that never existed during Soviet times. I've reverted your change. Don't change the names again until the moves are completed, because then it'd become WP:OR. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 04:54, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

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Nagorno-Karabakh conflict

Salam Golden. Məncə "Nagorno-Karabakh detailed map" "Nagorno-Karabakh conflict" səhifəsinin şablonunda da yer almalıdır. Hörmətlə! EljanM (TALK) 12:12, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Konflikt məqaləsi bütün konfliktin tarixi haqqındadı, ona görə ancaq 2020-dəki müharibənin xəritəsini ora qoymaq düz olmaz. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 10:14, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Həə başa düşdüm. Birdə, Anton full ermənipərəstdir.Demək olar ki, Dağlıq-Qarabağdakı bütün kəndlərin adlarına erməni adlarını qoymaq istəyir. Məsələn Qırmızı Bazar. Bu kəndin adı həmişə Qırmızı Bazar olub. Əvvəllər ruslar öz adlarını qoyublar Krasniy Bazar. Bu kəndin adı ancaq Qırmızı Bazar olmalıdır. Şuşakəntdə həmçinin. Bu kəndin adı ancaq Şuşakənd olmalıdır. Hörmətlə! EljanM (TALK) 11:27, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Golden səni yenə narahat edirəm :). AntonSamuel həmişə google results-a görə dəyişməyə çalışır adları. Onda Ağdərənin result-u: 3.250.000, Mardakertin result-u: 1.350.000 olur. Buna necə fikir bildirərsən EljanM (TALK) 15:16, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Hətta Xankəndi və Xocavəndin nəticələri də Stepanakert və Martunidən çoxdur. İstəyirsən özün yoxla EljanM (TALK) 15:19, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Search edəndə sözləri dırnaq içində axtarmaq lazımdı ki cavablar düz gəlsin. Belə edəndə Stepanakert daha çox gəlir. Amma, Ağdərə və Xocavənd doğurdan da çoxdu, ona görə bunu Qırmızı Bazar-dakı discussion-da hələlik qeyd etdim. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 15:23, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Mən pusuya durmuşam :) Əgər Anton inad edib Karmir Shuka etməyə çalışsa, Ağdərə və Xocavəndi müzakirəyə qoyacam. Bir dənə də birşey deyim məncə Köhnə Tağlar kəndinin adı ya qalmalı ya da Hin Tağlar olmalıdır. Hin Tagher deyil EljanM (TALK) 15:28, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Bütün böyük və sayılan mənbələr Hin Tağlar istifadə edib deyə, ona dəyişmək lazımdı. Bu WP:COMMONNAME sayılır. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 15:32, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Amma orda müzakirə Hin Tağlar üçün deyil, Hin Tagher üçün gedir. EljanM (TALK) 15:40, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Çaşdım. Hin Tagher demək istəyirdim. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 15:43, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Anladım. Nagorno Karabakh detailed map da Shahumyanı, Aşağı-Ağcakənd etdiyin üçün sağol. Getasheni də Çaykənd etsən əla olar EljanM (TALK) 15:59, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Golden salam necəsən? Sənə bir dənə xahişim var, Çaylaqqala kəndində müzakirə gedir. Ora oppose yaza bilərsən? Qoy öz doğma dilimizdə qalsın. Yoxsa Anton bütün kəndləri erməni dilində ad qoyacaq. EljanM (TALK) 11:36, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Halal olsun Golden :) Erməniləri görürsən öz tərəflərini necə də tuturlar haqsız olsalarda. Bizdə öz tərəfimizi tutmalıyıq ;) EljanM (TALK) 16:04, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!

Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2021!

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Stop reverting my edits

Why are you reverting my edits which all done by confirmed sources. If you have some other fact-checked materials, you can add. But you cannot continue this behaviour. I am going to undo your edits and cite new sources for my edits. You better stop this game. Aydinyol (talk) 16:27, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

@Aydinyol: Firtsly, please create your user page. Follow the rules of ethics when writing. If your edits are removing, your sources maybe false. Please control your sources. EljanM (TALK) 16:35, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

I saw your edits. This website is in English. Please do not add Azerbaijani sources. If you try to add Azeri sources, you will be banned. EljanM (TALK) 16:38, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Azerbaijan President talks in Azerbaijani obviously. I have added the video of Ilham Aliev dismantling the sign. As you can see, people have added many non-English sources to Wiki-English. If you try to undo my changes, I will report you for vandalism. Wikipedia is not your personal website. Warning #2!

@Aydinyol: Hey! Who are you?? If you try to add something non-English and speak aggressively, you will be banned! On Wikipedia there are editors! So you are nothing next to them!

Coat of arms of Shusha

Salam Golden. Şuşa şəhərinin gerbi səhifədə yoxdur. Şuşa şəhərinin gerbi var əslində, lakin icra hakimiyyəti saytında qeyd etməyirlər bəzi şəhərlərdə olduğu kimi. Məncə biz Şuşanın gerbini yenidən yükləməliyik. EljanM (TALK) 17:53, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Mən hələ Bakı və Gəncədən başqa heç bir şəhərin gerbinin rəsmi versiyasını görməmişəm. Commons-da yalandan modern gerb kimi göstərib, əslində uydurma və ya tarixi gerblər doludu. Yəni əgər rəsmi heç yerdə yoxdursa Şuşanın gerbi, biz heç nə əlavə edə bilmərik. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 18:08, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Mən az qala bütün Azərbaycanın rayonlarında olmuşam, bütün rayonların girişində gerbi qoyurlar, lakin veb-saytına qoymurlar məsələn, Yevlax, Ucar və s. Məncə gerbləri qoyasıyıq, boş qalmamalıdır. Bir dənədə söz deyim, bu yuxarıda yazan kimdi? 30 saata yaxın ban veriblər yenə də ağıllanmır. Gir bax istəyirsən talk page-sinə. EljanM (TALK) 18:30, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Merry Xmas

	Merry Christmas
	I wish you a Merry Christmas, and a beautiful and COVID-less New Year! --► Sincerely: SolaVirum 08:16, 26 December 2020 (UTC)