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Eurosceptic

Yes, I am a Eurosceptic. Although what that means - and how that would relate to Wikipedia - is open to interpretation. Bastin 12:44, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Do you support UKIP? CovBiggsy (talk) 13:15, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

No, I don't. I'm a Conservative. Bastin 14:03, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

I'm half n half, I don't like David Cameron unfortunately. He's ok as a PM, better than GB - has probably done more than him in the amount of time he's been in office! but I don't think the Conservatives are as Eurosceptic as they let on. I mean, the European Union is full of regulation, corruption, undemocratic institutions etc, and there you've got David Cameron speeding up Turkey's joining of the EU which will open us up to an open door policy of 70mil immagrunts and you've also got William Hague suggesting that it would be a good idea to employ yet more politicians in order to raise the representation bar for the UK? But at the expense of the tax-payer right? I mean, someone has to be forking out for there salary, offices, work-force, travel, building etc right?

http://www.conservatives.com/Policy/Where_we_stand/Europe.aspx

It says in that that a 'Conservative government would introduce a Sovereignty bill' which is supposed to stop more hand-over of powers without a national referendum? But the Lisbon Treaty is a self-amending treaty. The European Commission can dream up ideas, like a Common Health Policy lets say, meaning that the NHS becomes an IHS (international health service) and other health services are open to the wider european continent too. Can you imagine what that would do to our infrastructer? It would be thrown in the EU Parliament and voted for, the UK and France are both notorious for their health services, but even our politicians are stupid enough to get us into something like that.

Why doesn't David Cameron give us a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty? "Because it's part of EU Law"? So is EU Law above democracy?

I just don't understand DC sometimes. Some Tories a good and keep their country before anything, which is why UKIP supported some of those members.

So, where do you stand on all this?

I'm not attacking you or anything, but it's a frustrating topic for me! as you can no doubt tell lol. CovBiggsy (talk) 14:38, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Hague's position was that given the EU Budget, a higher proportion of EU staff should be British (it's currently about 1.5% of the total staff), making us by far the most under-represented member. It would not cost any more money, because it would simply be British staff replacing (say) French or German staff. That said, sending our guys over to go native is necessarily a drawback.

The problem with having a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty is that it cannot simply be repealed by the UK government saying it's repealed (as could have happened before it was ratified by the other members). If we have a referendum, and the people vote to repeal (as they would), the British government, the EU would refuse. To avoid appearing undemocratic (as they are), they'd make a reasonable-sounding, even generous, counter offer. However, because the referendum explicitly said repealing the Lisbon Treaty in its entirety, the EU would do this knowing that Cameron could not accept anything short of its entire repeal. And, thus, the negotiations would collapse without the UK getting anything.

There are some parts of the Lisbon Treaty that made the EU better. There are a lot of parts that made it worse. We need to enter negotiations with a broad mandate to repeal the parts of the Lisbon Treaty that are worst - but also the parts of Nice, Amsterdam, Maastricht, and Rome that were worst. That is, I believe, what Cameron wants to do. Sadly, it's highly unlikely to happen so long as the Limp Dems are hanging on in the coalition. Bastin 07:02, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Do you agree that we would be better off out?

The EU's Lisbon Treaty is mostly based around large business, they have the ability to lobby staff, fill out and pay for these massive amounts of paper-work (which literally costs them money because they need to be 'modified' in order to be legal under Lisbon). I mean, for example, the Common fisseries policy. Our Fish prices are rising and there is now hardly any fishing industry left in the UK, however in Norway, they are experiancing a good fishing export thanks to their people rejecting the treaty and therefore rejecting entry into the EU. Why didn't the UK do this? Or do you think it within our best interest, in the current circumstances of the EU, that we remain a nation state member? CovBiggsy (talk) 08:22, 5 August 2010 (UTC)