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Thanks for the welcome and the pointers, __earth. I still have a lot to learn in terms of formatting but this should be an interesting experience. I notice you blog too. Will visit and drop a comment one of these days (Bob K 09:08, 2 November 2005 (UTC))

malaysia

could u give me reason how could put "religious restriction"..i think u should not put what so-ever concerning 'religious sensitivity' ....in the article.. che 17:01, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Just reverting what I felt was an unjustified edit. Wikipedia is about facts and Neutral Point Of Views (NPOV), not political correctness. Bob K 17:48, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

International Lutheran Council

Hello. Why did you remove the non-English language references in your efforts to alphabetize the list of synods in the ILC? These references were often used by multilingual Lutheran Wikipedians. They were also the few locations in the English language Wikipedia to find the cross-references and links to the non-English language articles. Why did you remove the references to the number of communicants for each of the synods? It was a useful barometer for travellers seeking fellow communicants in other nations. Also, in Taiwan, the English language self-reference to the nation, used by the people in Taiwan (not its current president), is "Republic of China on Taiwan." You changed this. Why? Do you care to restore these links and pieces of information that you removed on March 20? Thank you. Ep9206 14:16, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Good point. Generally it was to keep to the standard presentation of the various Lutheran organisations articles. And I noticed that the entries that had non-English language references were primarily Chinese language ones. Surely this and the statistics of the individual synods can be added in the individual article pages. I'd suggest that individual stub articles be added for synods that are not yet represented in Wikipedia. Nonetheless, I'll add them back into the article as you were right in terms of local identification.

I'm not sure I get your point about the name of Taiwan, it definitely was not a political statement of any sort .. just my attempt to make it as representative as possible within the syntax of the article. I did make one very obvious mistake though, I spelled Hong Kong as Hong King :P. The links were retained when I reformatted that part of the article. - Bob K 17:51, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

You lost the French and German language article references too. "Surely this and the statistics of the individual synods can be added in the individual article pages." I disagree. There is no need for an article on every single synod until the day someone is so-inspired. Until then, this may be the best location for the information. Ep9206 18:14, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Do feel free to add them on then. I have made some additional edits which might make it easier for you to add on. Bob K 18:55, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Bob. It looks more comprehensive than it was before. I am considering some appropriate spot within Wikipedia to list sizable mission churches in nations where independent synods do not yet exist. What do you think about the Wikipedia article "List of Lutheran denominations?" It looks redundant in some ways; yet exposes states of incompletion in both lists.Ep9206 04:35, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Sounds like a good idea. Give me more details about what you plan to do. I can help collaborate in this but to be fair, my current priority is to actually put up articles on the various denominations in my own country. I have actually been going around and making contact at the denominational offices for background info. But I'd love to help anyway :) -- Bob K 09:51, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

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Just noticed your work on the Church of the Province of South East Asia - excellent job! Fishhead64 23:08, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

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School Accreditation and ICAATS

Hello, I just wanted to post a response I sent to CaliEd as well concerningthe recent changes in the information in your post. I hope it will clear up any questions about why I made the changes. If you feel there is still need for discussion, please let me know and I will provide further verification of the information...Thanks

'Hello CaliEd, Thanks for the reply and I will try to be brief with my response. I did some investigating as you suggested and found the following information from the Internet...The information to which I referred in the edits was related to the National Consitution of India and certain Acts that were established for the purposes of minority-community populations within the country. I pulled this information is the Ministry of Human Resource Development http://www.education.nic.in/minority.asp under the Higher Education section of the website. The Act in question is The National Commission for Minority Educational Institution (Amendment) Act, 2004'

The Act states that minority-communities within the country are entitled to be supervised by agencies outside the scope of the Education Department and the UGC so that all people will have the same opportunity to have access to higher education. The Act allows for the creation and operation of entities that will basically function as accreditation agents under the strict supervision of the State and Central Government.

In addition I went to several websites listing the institutions which were considered blacklisted by several U.S. State Education Agencies that were listed in several of the articles posted in Wikipedia and the Trinity School of Theology and Apologetics nor ICAATS are not on their lists. I have no personal vendetta against you or others who have posted this information. I am only asking for fair representation of the information that is in the entry. I will seek to secure other documentation to further verify the information, however, it will be hard for you to argue against the Act of the National Constitution of India which in fact does support the existence of organizations like Trinity School and the organization which accredits them, namely, ICAATS...Thanks Tob55 03:19, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification. I will leave this issue between you and CaliEd. Here's a suggestion. If you're able to get some documentary evidence from the school that supports your argument and perhaps get it scanned and uploaded somewhere, it would strengthen your case substantially. Cheers. Bob K 11:31, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Chinese Malaysian vs Malaysian Chinese

Which do you feel should be it? __earth ^(Talk) 06:00, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

I am not a Malaysian in China, so my definite preference is for Chinese Malaysian. I prefer to affirm my Malaysian identity. :) -- Bob K 16:18, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Then, would you mid voting Chinese Malaysian for Talk:Chinese_Malaysian#Vote please? __earth ^(Talk) 02:43, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Done :) Bob K 15:55, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

woohoo

thanks __earth ^(Talk) 14:11, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

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You said :

episcopal church shield up for speedy deletion - nothing personal

No offence taken :). It;'s part of the learning process.

-- Bob K 10:47, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for understanding. We are all learning. Did you understand the reason for my deletion proposal? If not, leave me a note at User talk:Hroðulf --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 11:03, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

By the way, as fair warning, you should notice that I also put Image:Episcopal Church USA Shield.png up for speedy deletion. If you feel this is wrong, there is a way to dispute it mentioned on the image page. --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 11:09, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

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Lina Joy POV?

I wasnt trying to insert my POV, just merely trying to state the facts from the legal POV. Im not sure myself how we should word it. Lets try this:

• yours: "Lina Joy, who was born Azlina Jailani, was a Muslim who converted to Christianity, claiming it came under her right to freedom of religion under Article 11 of the Constitution of Malaysia."
• mine: "Lina Joy, who was born Azlina Jailani, is a Muslim who unofficially converted to Christianity, claiming it came under her right to freedom of religion under Article 11 of the Constitution of Malaysia."

Your version also seem like a POV based on how Joy perceive herself. Which should be correct. I think we should just insert "unofficially" for the sake of clarity of the article. So i suggest:

• Lina Joy, who was born Azlina Jailani, was a Muslim who unofficially converted to Christianity, claiming it came under her right to freedom of religion under Article 11 of the Constitution of Malaysia. What u think?

I also think it should be "On 19 September 2005, the court ruled in a 2-1 majority decision against Joy.", with an 'a', rather than without. kawaputra^tok2me 10:27, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps the whole sentence itself is problematic and should warrant a total rewrite. Maybe this could be the way it can be written :

Lina Joy, who was born Azalina Jailani, claimed to have converted from Islam to Christianity, arguing that it came under her right to freedom of religion under Article 11 of the Constitution of Malaysia.

Agree with you on the adding an 'a' to the court decision sentence.

The reason why I would rather not use the term "unofficially" is because there is generally no such provision outside of Islam (and primarily due to its status as a state religion) and Azalina did have a certificate of baptism issued by a legal authority under the Roman Catholic church. I can understand how it can be controversial but it's better to stick with the facts here. - Bob K 12:14, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

ic. ya, that sounds fine. actually even the current one is OK. just that maybe we can add: "However the status of her conversion is currently not recognised by law". or something like that. kawaputra^tok2me 13:24, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

or maybe not, coz its already explained in preceding subheads. kawaputra^tok2me 13:32, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

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On April 17, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Lutheran Church in Malaysia and Singapore, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Hello Bob and thanks for writing this fantastic article, which was kindly nominated by Carabinieri. Do feel free to self nominate in the future and happy editing. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 08:22, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Wow! Thanks. This is a first for me. -- Bob K 20:34, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

LCMS

OK, I understand now. Perhpas there should be a section or comment both distinguishing the Malaysian Church from the American LCMS as well as a note of which international Lutheran partner (if any) this LCMS belongs to. But thanks for the explination; it makes more sense now. jackturner3 14:29, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

You'll find the affiliations of the Malaysian LCMS in the Beliefs and practices and Affiliations section of the article. Cheers. -- Bob K 20:35, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

whoops. my bad. So there isnt any article on Evangelical Lutheran Church in Malaysia yet? So u were saying LCMS dont have cathedrals huh? Ok. thanks 4 the info. kawaputra^tok2me 05:10, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

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Twice in a month! :P - Bob K 22:03, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

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Hey Bob, come join the new Wikipedia:WikiProject Malaysia if ure interested. kawaputra^hello! 18:56, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

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Apa Kabar,

I have just joined WikiProject Malaysia and have contributed to the article Malaysian Indian by expanding it. Hope you like it. Regards.

Hello! I thought you may be interested in joining WikiProject Dravidian civilizations. We work on creating, expanding and making general changes to Dravidian related articles. If you would be interested in joining feel free to visit the Participants Page! Thank You.

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Anglican collaboration of the month

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WikiProject:Malaysia collaboration of the Month is Malaysia

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WP Malaysia December 2007 collaboration of the month

Hi there, based on this month's total votes, our collaboration of the month will be none other than our capital city as well as Malaysia's primate city of Kuala Lumpur! Please feel free to make improvements on the article, or comment or give ideas on ways to further improve the quality of the article. Thanxzsz. kawaputra^torque 04:12, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

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WP Malaysia: January 2008 collaboration

Hello, based on the total votes collected in December, our collaboration of the month will be ♦ Mahathir bin Mohamad ♦. Please feel free to make improvements on the article, or comment or give ideas on ways to further improve the quality of the article. Thanks. kawaputra^torque 18:22, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Malaysia announcement

Hi there. I just want to announce that this month's collaboration will be ΦЏ Orang Asli ЏΦ. You are encouraged to participate in improving the quality of this article by however means you wish. I would suggest that our target by the end of the month would be for this article to achieve a Good Article status. Happy editing! kawaputra^torque 13:14, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

WP Malaysia: March 2008 collaboration

Hi there. Please vote for our March 2008 collaboration. Thanks! White2020 (talk) 06:11, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Hi

Hi, nice to meet you! May I know what's your race? Your first language is Malay but you are a Christian, I don't think you're a Malay... --אדמוןד ואודס_{自分の投稿記録} 14:41, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Flags

Hi there. Okay. O dear, I didnt know they provided the ratios in their constitution. Thanks for pointing that out. I may have to redo BN, DAP, etc. Do u know where i can get the ratios and dimensions of their logo/flags? ќמшמφטтгמ^torque 03:01, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

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WikiProject Christianity

You are cordially invited to participate in WikiProject Christianity The goal of WikiProject Christianity is to improve the quality and quantity of information about Christianity available on Wikipedia. WP:X as a group does not prefer any particular tradition or denominination of Christianity, but prefers that all Christian traditions are fairly and accurately represented.

- Tinucherian (talk) 05:24, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Welcome!

Hello Bobk/Archive 1! Welcome to Wikiproject Christianity! Thank you for joining. Below are some useful links to facilitate your involvement. Happy editing! - Tinucherian (talk) 10:03, 25 April 2008 (UTC) Getting Started General • Task for You Wikiproject Talk Page • Templates Useful Links Project Category List of Christian Topics Christianity Portal Miscellaneous Featured Articles • Good Articles Did You Know? • Work Groups Anabaptist • Core Topics • Indian Christianity Iglesia ni Cristo • Jesus • Syriac Christianity Projects Article Requests • Destubbing Campaign Assessment • Articles Needing Clean-up Peer Review • Adopted Topics Similar WikiProjects Anglicanism • Bible • Calvinism Roman Catholicism • Lutheranism