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Universal infoboxes for Project Eurovision

AxG,

There's been discussions of merging many infoboxes together to turn them into "universal" types that would be usable on any article, regardless of the contest. Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Eurovision#Templates should hopefully provide enough details. I had tried myself using my sandbox, but trying to use #if codes are just confusing the hell out of me. The designs will need to be able to cope with all of the contests - Eurovision, Junior Eurovision, ABU, and Turkvizyon - but with the option that the inofbox will change dependant on the type of contest it will be used on. Also there's the maps too, I'm not sure how we could get around those, but I'm sure there is a way of doing it. Any suggestion or ideas? Wes Mouse | ^T@lk 19:13, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

@Wesley Mouse: - Oh I know about the merging, and the other things. I am willing to help but kept quiet whilst things are settled. -- [[ axg // ✉ ]] 23:16, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

You know mate, you really are the star within the project. I could not put into words just how much gratitude and respect I hold for you with all the technical wizardry you do for the project, such as the maps, templates, etc. I appreciate (and can fully understand) why you kept a back seat on the debate; it had gotten overheated. Hopefully it has all settled down now, as it is clear a merge may cause some technical glitches - whereas redesigning all-in-one versions from scratch allows us to address any issues, roll them out quickly, and then the old ones are free to be speedy deleted without any contentions (if that makes sense). Wes Mouse | ^T@lk 23:26, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

@Wesley Mouse: Just an update on the new {{Infobox Song Contest}} (currently residing at User:AxG/Sandbox/12).

Done:

1. "Reprise act" - {{{reprise}}} have been added from {{Infobox ABU TV}}
2. The old {{{image}}} parameter will be gone, although {{{logo}}} has been around for a long time now, which automatically includes the [[File: prefix and size.
3. The coding for the previous and next contest links at the bottom of the infobox have been updated. This means my old friend the Cyrillic "у" can rest in piece :,(. The new coding now no longer shows a red link to the previous or next article if it does not exist, however it will also look back 2 years to see if there is an article, e.g. on the ABU Radio Song Festival 2014 article where it will show "◄2012 • 2015►" and not "◄2013 • 2015►" when they skipped a year.

Current thing to do:

1. Update the current map legends and have them hosted on the Infobox rather than on each article so they can be consistent.
2. Add coding so that the File:Wiki Eurovision Heart (Infobox).svg icon can be changed when not on a Eurovision contest.

So that's the update, if there is anything I've missed let me know. You can also play about with the updated infobox at User:AxG/Sandbox/13.

You also mentioned maps, and I don't know whether you were referring to this infobox or the planned maps to go on the country pages. -- [[ axg // ✉ ]] 21:28, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

I'm slightly confused now. Is sandbox 12 or 13 the potential new version? As for maps, I meant in the main infobox that would appear on annual contest pages. Currently we just add the year on Infobox Eurovision and it would automatically know it were for Europe, same for Infobox ABU which knew it were for the Asia-Pacific region. How would we get around this issue on a universal infobox? Would we need different parameters for example ESC Map Year and ABU Map Year? Overall though, the progress of a universal infobox is coming along nicely, and will mean we can get them rolled out quickly before the TfD deadline runs out and ultimately creates chaos. Wes Mouse | ^T@lk 21:43, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Whoops, answered my own question - it is sandbox 12. Looking at the coding, for the map year you use "Infobox Eurovision/Legend" - however the infobox Eurovision would be deleted, so would we need to review that and potentially have to file move the maps/legends accordingly? Wes Mouse | ^T@lk 21:47, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

So on say Eurovision Song Contest 2015 (as well as previous contests and Junior etc), in the infobox we have | map year = 2015, this tells the infobox to transclude what is at Template:Infobox Eurovision/2015 into the infobox. When we move names, Template:Infobox Eurovision/2015 will be renamed Template:Infobox Song Contest/Eurovision Song Contest 2015 and with added coding will be automatically generated on the article without | map year = 2015; Template:Infobox Song Contest/Junior Eurovision Song Contest 2015, Template:Infobox Song Contest/Eurovision Young Dancers 2015, Template:Infobox Song Contest/Türkvizyon Song Contest 2015, Template:Infobox Song Contest/ABU Radio Song Festival 2015 etc. etc. these will also be generated automatically on their respected articles.

I've used Template:Infobox Eurovision/Legend for now since that does not need changing, but will be moved as well as all these when the time comes. I should also point out that most of this was hard to explain. :D -- [[ axg // ✉ ]] 23:22, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

I can sympathise on how hard it is to explain all of the above. Even I have had trouble with explaining things; including at various debates over these infoboxes. So the new coding (hopefully) should work and would be safe to transfer to the new template along with (of course) creating the template documentation so that we can provide information on how the new template will work. The maps were my main worry because when I did a test using the Infobox Eurovision on a ABU article it wouldn't recognise the ABU map, and kept adding a Europe map instead. Wes Mouse | ^T@lk 00:19, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Also at the bottom where it shows "◄2014 • 2016►" with the File:Wiki Eurovision Heart (Infobox).svg used on (J)ESC articles and File:Music Icon.svg on all other contests. I'm wondering if changing that to a new method so it would look like "◄2014 • 2015 • 2016►", if that would be even better? Wes Mouse | ^T@lk 00:27, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

@Wesley Mouse: Like this? -- [[ axg // ✉ ]] 00:31, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Yeah like that. Do you think that is better than decorating with the heart logo? IMO it relieves the issue of telling the box to change from one icon to another depending on what contest article it is for. Wes Mouse | ^T@lk 00:40, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

@Wesley Mouse: As much as I like the little heart icon, it would be a pain to code, so the bullet points will have to do for the new template. -- [[ axg // ✉ ]] 00:48, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

I do like the little heart icon too. But I think as we are dealing with a universal infobox, that it may cause coding problems telling the box to change from one icon to another - so bullet points seem to be the only workaround. If anyone does decide to ask where the heart has gone, I'm sure we could fob if off with "see WP:ICONDECORATION, can't have it any more." lol. Wes Mouse | ^T@lk 00:53, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

How do we get rid of the |- |} that is appearing on the template in sandbox 12? Wes Mouse | ^T@lk 14:51, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

@Wesley Mouse: I've removed it for now, it's still work in progress, but it was getting late so left it for the next day. -- [[ axg // ✉ ]] 14:59, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Ah right, sorry. I lost track of time last night, didn't get to sleep until 7 this morning. Thankfully I had no work on today, so could stay in bed. Had the shock of my life when I woke up at 13:00. Anyhow, I'm wondering once we've got this template sorted, would it's coding be similarly adapted for the other universal temps? If so, then I could get to work on those in the meantime. Wes Mouse | ^T@lk 15:15, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

@Wesley Mouse: Still working on the previous and next links. But I've finished the coloured legend on the map, as you can see at the bottom here is a list of colours (Note: not sure whether to use the colours or 'Participating', 'Did not enter', Did not qualify' etc) those with a 'Y' next to them will appear under the map. -- [[ axg // ✉ ]] 19:43, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

@Wesley Mouse: I think it's finished! -- [[ axg // ✉ ]] 23:05, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

I've added the template to {{Infobox Song Contest}} and also created the documentation page. I've moved the legend to Template:Infobox Eurovision/Legend. Done a test rollout on Eurovision Song Contest 2007 and moved the map to Template:Infobox Song Contest/Eurovision Song Contest 2007. However, the map isn't showing on the article. What have I done wrong for the map not to be showing? Wes Mouse | ^T@lk 15:31, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

@Wesley Mouse: this. -- [[ axg // ✉ ]] 15:50, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

Oh dear, now I feel like I've had a senior moment. I just looked at that link and I'm now giggling to myself at my own stupidity. LOL. Thank you for fixing it. Wes Mouse | ^T@lk 15:52, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

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Tech News: 2015-08

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Software changes this week

• The new version of MediaWiki has been on test wikis and MediaWiki.org since February 11. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis from February 17. It will be on all Wikipedias from February 18 (calendar).
• On Wednesday your Meta user page will be shown if you don't have a user page on a wiki. [1] [2] [3]
• You can now change the order of categories in VisualEditor using drag-and-drop. [4]
• In VisualEditor, you now need to make a change before you can "Apply Changes" to citations and templates. [5]
• The way the cursor moves in VisualEditor is changing. Your browser now handles the cursor directly. Most of you will see no change. In right-to-left text, the cursor now moves in a 'visible' rather than 'logical' way. This is like other sites but you may be surprised at first.​ [6]

Meetings

• The VisualEditor Team had their first public bug triage meeting on February 11. They will post the results on the meeting page. [7]
• You can join the second weekly meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meetings you can tell developers which bugs are the most important. The meeting will be on February 18 at 16:00 (UTC). See how to join. [8]
• You can join a meeting with the developers of the Content Translation tool. It will be on February 18 at 13:00 (UTC). [9]

Future changes

• You can comment on a proposal about abandoned Labs tools.

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17:57, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

The Signpost: 18 February 2015

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Tech News: 2015-09

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent software changes

• All new accounts are now global. [10]
• Your Meta user page is now shown if you don't have a user page on a wiki. You can report problems if you see any. You can ask a bot to delete your old user pages. [11] [12] [13]

Software changes this week

• The new version of MediaWiki has been on test wikis and MediaWiki.org since February 18. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis from February 25. It will be on all Wikipedias from February 26 (calendar).
• It is now easier to see template fields in VisualEditor. The fields are bigger. [14]
• It is now easier to see when a button is disabled in VisualEditor. [15]
• Sometimes when you copy-pasted a template in VisualEditor, it was replaced by HTML. This problem is now fixed. [16]
• Tools in Labs will stop working for a few hours on February 24. [17]

Meetings

• You can read the notes from the last meeting with the VisualEditor team.
• You can join the next weekly meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meetings you can tell developers which bugs are the most important. The meeting will be on February 26 at 00:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

• At the moment you need to log in to edit Wikimedia wikis on mobile devices. You can say if anyone should be allowed to edit on the mobile sites. The discussion ends on March 15.
• Images in the interface will soon work better in Opera 12. [18]

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16:28, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

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The Signpost: 25 February 2015

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