Talk:Yus

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Ogneslav, be careful in (mis)using Template:IPA to display old Cyrillic characters. The list of fonts chosen for that template are guaranteed to include IPA characters, but not any particular other ones. Even if it makes it look right in your system, it may mess up the display for someone else who has a different set of fonts installed. —Michael Z. 2005-01-22 16:54 Z

Ommiting 'n'

This part: "for example, раньше might be realized as райше, or станет as стает" sounds like an original research since as a native Russian speaker I haven't heard such variants. Moreover, there are words with nasalization, for example понял can be pronounced as по:л with a nasalized o. 77.40.36.13 (talk) 15:58, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

Nice article anyway ...

Small, but good. FWIW, I found a nice older Russian lyrics which shows the use of the Yus in the Russian language at the end of the 19th century. Znamenny Chant. -andy 92.227.17.160 (talk) 02:07, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Meaning of this

It says here "There are some Bulgarian or Macedonian dialects around Thessaloniki and Kastoria in Northern Greece which still keep nasal pronunciation: КъНде греНдеш, мило чеНдо?". What is the Cyrillic text at the end supposed to say? What does it have to do with yus or nasal vowels? And why are its Нs all capitalized? 71.90.130.7 (talk) 05:12, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

It says: "Where do you go, dear child?" in Solun dialect. The capital Н expresses the nasalism. In this text we have 1 Big Yus (the first word) and 2 Little Yuses (the 2nd and 4th words). "Кѫде грѧдѣшъ, мило чѧдо?" is a spelling from Middle Bulgarian.--Lantonov (talk) 14:49, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

So is that an actual old spelling, and if so, from what period? Is there a reference? What is the modern spelling?

Is the spelling with capital Н's used, or is that just an expression of the pronunciation. If so, then we should transcribe it in IPA. Would one of these be correct: /kənde grendeʃ milo čendo/, or /kə̃de grẽdeʃ milo čẽdo/? —Michael Z. 2008-11-04 15:25 z

The second spelling is better: /kə̃de grẽdeʃ milo tʃẽdo/? For a text in Solun dialect see s:bg:Дописка от село Висока. It is from 1863. The actual spelling is preserved in this text. Little Yus is not used and is substituted with -ен: ченда-та, напрендватъ, глендатъ, ензикъ, грендѣлъ. Big Yus is used. However, it has lost nasalism in many words, and where the nasalism is preserved, it is written ѫн: пѫнтъ-тъ, рѫнка, пѫнтоващемъ, Лѫнгандина. This dialect existed until the Balkan Wars (1913). Other dialects using nasal vowels are Korca dialect in Albania and Kostur (Kastoria) dialect in Greece, Bulgarian dialects which existed sometime until the end of 19th century. --Lantonov (talk) 15:38, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Handwritten Ѧ and how it became Я

--Юе Артеміс (talk) 19:07, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Other yus letters are blended yus (Ꙛ ꙛ), closed little yus (Ꙙ ꙙ)

When were them used and which sounds did they represent? Do ISO 9 transliterations exist for them? --62.224.160.232 (talk) 10:30, 12 August 2016 (UTC)

See here (p. 4).--Lüboslóv Yęzýkin (talk) 13:24, 12 August 2016 (UTC)

Capitalisation

The article switches from a non-capitalised spelling to a capitalised one. Should letter names be capitalised or not? 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 14:57, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Split suggestion

I think there should be separate pages for Little Yus and Big Yus. 2601:C6:D281:6710:588B:AEC:87AE:82CE (talk) 00:40, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Support and make this page a disambiguation page. 🪐Kepler-1229b | talk | contribs🪐 17:51, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

I do not feel like splitting this article. @Kepler-1229b could do it. 2601:C6:D281:6710:60F8:75AB:63D6:591D (talk) 21:47, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Ok, but I think we need more participants in this discussion. 🪐Kepler-1229b | talk | contribs🪐 22:36, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

I think we should split this. Spongyboi (talk) 15:31, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

Oppose; there are 7 different yuses, not just little and big. It's better to make one article for all seven than individual articles because the individual yuses are not notable on their own. ―Emperor ÖSMAN IXXVMD (talk) 15:07, 24 August 2023 (UTC) Actually, support. I just realized the rest of the yuses are forms of big and little yus. ―Emperor ÖSMAN IXXVMD (talk) 06:05, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

Support. We really should split it and make it into a disambiguation page, I fully agree! Malacitana (talk) 10:10, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Support - Split big, little, and blended yuses into their own articles, while leaving closed little, iotated closed little, etc. as sections on their respective pages. Isthmus55 (talk) 23:31, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Comment: We should also make an article for blended yus. ―Emperor ÖSMAN IXXVMD (talk) 06:21, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

Support. Absolutely! Blended yus should have its own article too! Malacitana (talk) 10:12, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Strong Oppose. I oppose splitting the articles about the Yus letters and make separate articles about them. I believe that it's better if the Yus variants stay in this article. Also, I'm already fine with this article and it's already notable for all the Yus letters. I prefer having it expanded instead by adding some accurate information. Anonymy365248 (talk) 04:52, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

Support. The two Yuses have very fundamentally separate histories. Not sure what can be done about the blended and closed little yuses though - perhaps a "Yus variants in Middle Bulgarian" (where they were used) Plexus96 (talk) 20:35, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Oppose. There are three more yuses, they significantly share the desriptions and it is convenient to have them side-by-side. - Altenmann >talk 20:56, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

Capitalization inconsistencies

Some places say "yus" while others say "Yus". They should all be changed to "yus", IMO. ― Emperor ÖSMAN IXXVMD (talk) 02:32, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

Where is Iotified Blended Yus?

should it be a separate page or part of the Yus page? 86.97.103.231 (talk) 10:10, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

does it even exist..??? Cause I found a wikimedia commons page showing it and saying"old Bulgarian 1735". Please correct the year if I'm incorrect with the year,I don't remember the year there 86.97.103.231 (talk) 13:47, 25 August 2024 (UTC)