Talk:Trappist beer

Edit war

Would all involved parties be so kind to stop reverting and start to discuss their views here? I'm sure all sides have good arguments and a concensus can be reached.--Fogeltje (talk) 13:22, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

OK: it would be helpful to the ordinary reader to have the brewery at Koningshoeven linked to the brand name by which its beers are generally known. 1Z (talk) 20:51, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

But, it's not a brewery AT Koningshoeven...you should know that —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.161.170.13 (talk • contribs) 20:27, 4 June 2009 (CEST)

It would be useful if you signed you comment.1Z (talk) 18:29, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Maybe the location could be mentioned in the article as well. encyclopedia articles are supposed to contain useful information, they are not supposed to be arenas for testing other people's knowlege of obscure arcana. 1Z (talk) 18:31, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

feel free to modify the article yourself...

if only I could...1Z (talk) 00:07, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

why can't you ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.161.170.13 (talk) 06:11, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Peter, this is a general article about Trappist beer. It is also not mentioned, for example, that Chimay is not brewed by a monastery called Chimay. None of the breweries listed contain specific information about them. However, when you click on the brewery name, you come to an article about the brewery where specific information is perfectly valid.

However again, when you added the La Trappe information to the Koningshoeven article here http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Brouwerij_de_Koningshoeven&diff=292200404&oldid=243707510, you failed to notice that that information has been in the article since April 2006 http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Brouwerij_de_Koningshoeven&direction=next&oldid=48536689

Secondly, in your edit you wrote: "Most of its products are sold under the trade name La Trappe." However, the article has stated since 2006 that in the US the beer is called Koningshoeven (not La Trappe). I therefore wonder why you wrote "most of its products" when the largest market is not included? Mikebe (talk) 12:31, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Who says that the US is the largest market for La Trappe? It's possible, but I wouldn't automatically assume so.--Fogeltje (talk) 12:36, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Considering that the US has 350million people and that it is unlikely Koningshoeven is being exported to China, it was just a guess, but I think a reasonable one. In Europe, AFAIK, it is only sold in the Netherlands (17million), the UK and possibly parts of Scandinavia. There may be very small amounts sold elsewhere (France, Italy, etc.). So, in Europe, I doubt the market is much more than 100million. Of course, there could be export to someplace I haven't thought of. Mikebe (talk) 13:32, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

The information is not in this article. As I have pointed out several tines, La Trappe in this article is a link to an article about the monastery in France. Someone looking for information on La Trappe would have to already know it was brewed by Koningshoeven. Why that simple clarification should be so objectionable is quite beyond me. 1Z (talk) 07:46, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

then why did not you write information about BRANDS produced by the different trappist breweries, instead of calling the brewery by the name of its product. Would anyone have the idea to call Brouwerij Moortgat, Brouwerij Duvel or Brouwerij Maredsous or Brouwerij Vedett (well the name of the group changed to duvel moortgat, but so many other examples can be found). It's a question of brand, so you sould start a chapter on trappist brands where all the necessary information could be given about, why not, the dozens of brands that this brewery used to brew —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.161.170.13 (talk) 05:30, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Of ocurse, at nos tage did I replace the brewery name with the brand name, so the above is psurious.

Writing infomration about brands is just what I am trying to do. A one point I added a brand column to the table, but of course that was reverted as well. 08:17, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Let's just hope you refrain from amending the Bass (beer) article to read Inbev-Marston's throughout.1Z (talk) 08:21, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

your last comment is...well...hmm.... It is obvious that your attempt to add a brand colum to the table was reverted (not by me, anyway) because of its inanity. Repeating (almost 100%) of the first column in the second column brought nothing interesting, except maybe satisfying you. "repetitive material" as stated in the history. Fully agree. If at least you had written about the full ranges of trappist beers, including chimay dorée, westmalle extra, petit orval etc..., that may have given useful information... You appear to know the subject so well, so why don't you write about these beers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.255.1.93 (talk) 11:46, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

I agree it was repetative. I only did it that way because mikebe reverted my first edit. (Was that you above, mikebe? Please sign comments). I would be quite happy to write about including chimay dorée, westmalle extra, petit orval etc, but there is little point trying until mikebe and patto1ro are pesuaded to stop deleting all my additions. 1Z (talk) 12:38, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

No that is not me writing. The person writing is another one of your edit-warring victims. When he writes "you appear to know the subject so well", you should understand what he is saying. Mikebe (talk) 14:19, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

[I would be quite happy to write about including chimay dorée, westmalle extra, petit orval etc] : did you like them at least ? what do you think of Petit Orval ? if you don't write in the main section, your opinion is welcome here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.161.170.13 (talk) 20:25, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the positive suggestions about how to improve the article. 1Z (talk) 08:49, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Moving On

Edit wars on a completely benign subject, classic wikipedia. So anyway, looking for information on Trappist Beer via Google and of course I am taken to here. Overall pretty good information on the page, but I was suprised to find no mention of the Trappist chalice type glass that is a prerequisite for drinking Trappist beer. Any plans to add this, or should I start tracking down sources? --Coldbourne (talk) 03:30, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you are looking for. Each monastery produces its own glass, but, in Belgium, that is also true for virtually all brewers. The glass shapes have changed over the years. There is, in the external links in the article, a link to a person's glass collection. You can see there how the glasses have changed over the years. I'm not sure what else can be said about the subject. Mikebe (talk) 09:21, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

It is not a prerequisite for drinking Trappist beer. What a silly, elitist idea. Jezbrews (talk) 09:24, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

Koningshoeven/ La Trappe Bock

I am pretty sure that the bock bier produced at La trappe is actually an ale, but am having a hard time finding solid confirmation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nicolethebeertender (talk • contribs) 10:45, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

It says so on the La Trappe website: "This unique seasonal product is the world’s only Trappist bock ale." "Characteristics: Unfiltered, top-fermenting, rich malty Trappist ale."

http://www.latrappetrappist.com/en-en/trappist-beers/la-trappe-bockbier/

81.216.199.74 (talk) 08:10, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

Mont des cats

Before to read more wrong information on Wikipedia about the beer sold by the french abbey of Sainte Marie du Mont des Cats here is more information about that beer

After long years without beer at the Mont des Cats, the creation of a "trappist beer of the Mont des Cats" was officially announced on Thursday June 9, 2011. It is sold on the Mount since Thursday June 16, 2011. That new trappist beer is compliant to the legal criteria and definitions which were enacted by different courts of justice (notably those of Ghent and Brussels); it will be produced initially by the brewery of Chimay (Scourmont) on behalf of the abbey of the Mont des Cats.

The community of the Mont des Cats will take time to evaluate the opportunity of reinstalling a brewery inside the abbey (but nobody knows yet if they will do it or not). The getting of the "authentic trappist product" label could be examined by the ITA (international trappist association) in a near future. The decision to allow (or not) the beer to wear the heagonal logo will probably take months. The ITA is an association composed of various Trappists communities, which created the "Authentic Trappist Product" (ATP) label; this association is a real moral authority on the matter, without however being a legislative or jurisprudential reference.

As stated on the website of the International Trappist Association (french version) : "La 'Mont des Cats' est une bière trappiste ambrée brassée à l'abbaye de Scourmont." (The "Mont des cats" is an amber trappist beer brewed at the abbey of Scourmont). There is consequently no question as to know whether this is a trappist beer or not. It is a new brand of trappist beer which does not wear the ATP logo yet. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.161.170.13 (talk) 08:09, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

Since their products cannot currently be branded with the ATP logo, I am removing Mont des Cats from the table that lists breweries that are able to use the logo. Steamroller Assault (talk) 14:54, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

not clear why catholics produce alcohol

"brewed beer to feed the community" - this statement is nonsensical, beer is not food.

why would monks make a drink that makes people drunk? totally not clear here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.84.95.229 (talk) 08:28, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

Spencer Trappist Ale

The monks at the Spencer Trappist monastary started selling their own ale in January of 2014. I'm not a home-brewer or an ale expert, but I do have a camera and can take pictures, so I've left a photo of my nifty new bottle of Spencer Trappist Ale here:

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:SpencerTrappistBottle-20140128.JPG

If any more clever people want to use it in the article. Mcvoorhis (talk) 23:44, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

Sorting the table of the breweries by volume

I cannot code so I cant improve the sorting algorithm but as it stands the sorting by "Annual production" (least first) sorts by the characters in the string (120,000 hl appears higher up than 145,000 etc.) This should be changed. So that the sorting is correct. On a related note the volumes are old (from 2004) and could be updated. GregorDS (talk) 06:24, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

— Preceding unsigned comment added by GregorDS (talk • contribs) 06:19, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

eleven breweries?

can we change it to "Elven"? Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2604:2000:2787:3800:3CD3:ECE4:1D77:2573 (talk) 22:56, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

Tynt Meadow monastery

Could someone more skilled than I add Tynt Meadow, a recognised Trappist monastery and brewery in Leicestershire, UK, to the list and map? 212.228.96.41 (talk) 09:21, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

Sorry, I posted this without logging in. I wrote this. Jezbrews (talk) 09:23, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

Stift Engelszell will be closed, add reference please

Could you please add it to the references? https://www.stift-engelszell.at/aktuelles/# https://assets.sta.io/site_media/u/newsitem/2023/05/10/StiftEngelszell10052023_WAtQXhL.pdf Uzik (talk) 07:44, 12 May 2023 (UTC)