Talk:The X Factor (British TV series) series 9

Judges

Tulisa and Louis are not confirmed yet. — Preceding unsigned comment added by World Flying (talk • contribs) 16:12, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

Yes they are. The supporting references are in the article. Please take the time to read the references before removing information again. danno 19:53, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

They are not confirmed by ITV and your sources are inaccurate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by World Flying (talk • contribs) 18:13, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

Agreed - Tulisa & Louis have NOT been confirmed by ITV. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.178.225.142 (talk) 21:47, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

ITV is not needed as a source. X-Factor is produced by a different company, not ITV GimliDotNet ^{(Speak to me,Stuff I've done)} 06:34, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Louis has now been confirmed by ITV as a returning judge, joining Gary. Tulisa not confirmed yet and Kelly is not returning. --MSalmon (talk) 14:01, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Tulisa has NOT been confirmed by ITV yet so why is she added as a judge? --MSalmon (talk) 16:46, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

Doesn't need confirming by ITV. BBC is reliable source and verifiable source. GimliDotNet ^{(Speak to me,Stuff I've done)} 16:51, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

I don't see anything on the website saying she has returned, what if she has said no? --MSalmon (talk) 16:54, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

Geri Halliwell announced as fourth permanent judge source

Has Tulisa been officially confirmed yet? If so, can we update the source? –anemoneprojectors– 11:25, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

It's been published on the BBC that she is returning, that is good enough for us. We do NOT require an ITV confirmation, especially as ITV are not even a primary source in this case. GimliDotNet ^{(Speak to me,Stuff I've done)} 11:39, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

Then as I asked, can we update the source? –anemoneprojectors– 14:03, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

Table

I have to say I think the table was better. Not only does it show who guest judged, it shows when the auditions actually were and in which city. Aaron • ^{You Da One} 11:29, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

We can still say that in text. None of the other series have tables for audition dates. Text should always be prefered. –anemoneprojectors– 13:11, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

In fact, now the text says who guest judged on what dates, in what cities. –anemoneprojectors– 13:18, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

I just think it looks a mess tbh. The table was a lot better and clearer. At the moment, it's just a load of linking and footnotes in the prose making it looked cluttered. Aaron • ^{You Da One} 14:02, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

It looks like a normal Wikipedia article to me. –anemoneprojectors– 14:08, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

A table did do the job better though, a lot more clear. Aaron • ^{You Da One} 14:42, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

I don't think it did the job any better, but the table had no context (it was just there). Text is much preferred on Wikipedia. –anemoneprojectors– 14:50, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Looking at the most recent addition of the table, there was context, but it meant that the information was repeated, which is a bit pointless. So the text is still better. –anemoneprojectors– 14:51, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Have the table without the text then. It was better. Aaron • ^{You Da One} 15:08, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Nicole Scherzinger

People need to stop adding Nicole Scherzinger as a permanant judge, sources claim "ITV bosses will reportedly offer the 33-year-old a £500,000 contract this week to sign on as a judge alongside Gary Barlow, Tulisa Contostavlos, and Louis Walsh."(Link here) For her to be a judge 1) The source must be accurate 2) the show must decide to go through with their plan to offer the contract and 3) the must accept the contract. The information has NOT been confirmed by the show, ITV or Scherzinger so please stop adding her. Thank you. 12bigbrother12 (talk) 13:38, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

I've just googled this and cannot find anything stating she is a permanent judge yet. I've added a hidden comment to the article to reflect this, if the edits keep adding her as a permanent judge when this website says she isn't yet then I'll lock the article. She's been offered the role but nothings been signed yet, and it seems that Mr Cowell is not keen on her joining the judging panel. He could refuse to have her on the panel or she could still refuse the role. There's a huge difference between offered and signed up for the role. This should therefore not be added until it's confirmed by a reliable source that she has signed a contract. If this keeps getting added then I'll lock the page.--5 albert square (talk) 13:48, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

Sources now saying she's accepted an offer, still awaiting any official confirmation though12bigbrother12 (talk) 22:50, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 16 June 2012

I would like to post the guest judges for x factor uk series 9

71.83.124.168 (talk) 03:25, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

Not done: this is not the right page to request additional user rights. You may reopen this request with the specific changes to be made and someone will add them for you, or if you have an account, you can wait until you are autoconfirmed and edit the page yourself.  TOW  talk  04:01, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

Rule changes

I've added a section for rule changes, but should it go under the auditions section, as these are changes to people who can audition? Also, people have been saying that the "groups" is now called "bands" - is this accurate? Makes sense if people can now play instruments. Needs a source. Any other changes? –anemoneprojectors– 14:20, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Zoe Alexander

She said they told her to sing Pink, but Caroline Flack said on This Morning that everyone is given a choice of five songs to audition with and she chose Pink. Should we include this under the relevant section? –anemoneprojectors– 14:20, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

^I was going to ask the above. It should be included. — Lil_℧niquℇ №1 ^[talk] 22:50, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

I would include it but I would reference it--5 albert square (talk) 22:53, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

We can reference it to the episode of This Morning, can't we? –anemoneprojectors– 12:10, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

There's also this source [1] –anemoneprojectors– 12:18, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Peak viewing figures

I think we should remove this because a) the final official figure could be higher than the peak reported by overnights (I think I've seen this happen) b) we don't have the data for the second episode, so the table will be incomplete c) we've never used it before. Thoughts? –anemoneprojectors– 11:38, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

An anon user agreed with me and removed the info. –anemoneprojectors– 12:27, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

The picture of Tulisa Contostavlos

The picture used for Tulisa Contostavlos is just awful and does not blend well with the other judge photos that are clear face shots whereas hers is an ugly blurry photo while performing. Wearing a hat and covering almost all her face with her hand is also a downer. Tulisa is not there in X Factor to "perform" but to judge". Please replace her photo by a better photo that is in line with the photos of the other three judges werldwayd (talk) 20:50, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

We don't have any better photos available to us at the moment, but hopefully one will come about soon. Until then, we will have to make do with the one we have. –anemoneprojectors– 13:33, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

Wildcard vote

Surely this should be shown in the results table? Considering that it was a result of a phone vote? It's similar to the vote that saw Amelia Lily returned to the show last year, which is shown on the results table. 12bigbrother12 (talk) 14:11, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

Yes, but they were not picked as finalists for the live shows (Amelia was already a finalist) --MSalmon (talk) 14:16, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

I agree that they weren't finalists, and they never performed either. It's mentioned in the wildcard section so doesn't necessarily need to be mentioned. –anemoneprojectors– 19:30, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

Use of full names throught the results table

Hi, do we really need to have full names for final showdown, judges' votes and eliminated rows because their full names are already in the contestants column?

I guess we don't, because they are already mentioned and it would solve some wrapping issues that we seem to have on our various screen sizes! I was always for using the full name, because we're talking about a musical act called Rylan Clark, for example, rather than Clark as a person, but I say go for it. I know I reverted your edit to the series 8 article by the way, it was horrible for me, I had to scroll left and right as well as up and down to see the full table. I'd rather just scroll in one direction! Not sure what problem you would have had. But doing this for previous series too might help. –anemoneprojectors– 12:48, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Though I guess we have a slightly strange situation where an act uses just their first name or an initialised last name, like Wagner or Misha B. Fortunately not a problem this year. –anemoneprojectors– 12:50, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Ok, I will change all of the series results table --MSalmon (talk) 13:14, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Oh I was expecting you to use their encyclopaedic last names! –anemoneprojectors– 13:24, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

No, why would I do that as no one would know who they are? --MSalmon (talk) 13:35, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

The table gives their full names anyway, so how would nobody know who they are? Everyone knows Carolynne Poole is called Carolynne Poole and Rylan Clark is called Rylan Clark. This is an encyclopaedia, so we should use their last names only if we aren't going to use their full names (other than for Wagner and Misha B). –anemoneprojectors– 13:51, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

I know but they refer to the acts by their first names not their last name --MSalmon (talk) 13:53, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

It doesn't matter how people are refered to on the show. That's why we call Tulisa by her full name, or just by Contostavlos when we mention her again. –anemoneprojectors– 13:55, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Ok, I suppose we could use their last names but we will see what other people say about it --MSalmon (talk) 13:57, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Can I ask by the way what your screen looks like if we have the full names in? As I would prefer the full names in all honesty. Can you take a screen print and upload it somewhere? (Unfortunately I only have 10 minutes left online today so may not get around to replying any further). –anemoneprojectors– 13:59, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Upload it where? --MSalmon (talk) 14:00, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

I don't really know! But I have to go now so I guess don't upload it now if you don't have to. I was going to suggest uploading it to Wikipedia briefly and then having it deleted! Or I guess you could email the screenshot to me. Anyway, I'm off now! –anemoneprojectors– 14:05, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

I don't see what the point of showing you a screenshot of it when using first or last names makes it fit on the page better. --MSalmon (talk) 14:07, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

I'm just curious as there may be another way. But I'd prefer full or last names. –anemoneprojectors– 14:07, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Use last names then since what's what we use for the judges votes (for consistency), or change the judges' votes to first names?--MSalmon (talk) 14:08, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

I have changed to last names for final showdown/judges' vote but left full names for the eliminated row (I have done it for all UK series including the U.S. Season 1) --MSalmon (talk) 14:21, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

Good stuff. –anemoneprojectors– 19:53, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

Do you think that is better? --MSalmon (talk) 21:50, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

(←) I don't think it's any better or worse, because on my personal laptop it all looks perfectly fine (I have a wide screen!) and even when using the public computers in my library, which have narrower screens, I didn't have a problem with the wrapping (i.e. it didn't bother me). This is why I was curious to see what you saw. But for me it's fine either way. –anemoneprojectors– 15:48, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

Jahméne Douglas

I just noticed that on Twitter, Jahmene spells his name "Jahméne". In fact, Googling with that spelling brings up 4,250 results. Should we change this? –anemoneprojectors– 13:26, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Yeah probably. Unreal7 (talk) 19:44, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Done, cos it's the right spelling. –anemoneprojectors– 19:57, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Finalists table

Can we have a final decision on how to display the table? We've had it four ways now:

This is the current one, which someone just decided to change to. I don't like this. Let's call it #1.

Category (mentor)	Acts
Boys (Scherzinger)	James Arthur	Rylan Clark	Jahmene Douglas
Girls (Contostavlos)	Jade Ellis	Ella Henderson	Lucy Spraggan
Over 28s (Barlow)	Christopher Maloney	Melanie Masson	Carolynne Poole	Kye Sones
Groups (Walsh)	District3	MK1	Union J

It was changed from this one, which I used when I was getting annoyed with trying out different other things. Let's call it #2. I'm starting to think we don't need N/A because why would we? However, I prefer the shade of grey used here.

Category (mentor)	Acts
Boys (Scherzinger)	James Arthur	Rylan Clark	Jahmene Douglas	—
Girls (Contostavlos)	Jade Ellis	Ella Henderson	Lucy Spraggan	—
Over 28s (Barlow)	Christopher Maloney	Melanie Masson	Carolynne Poole	Kye Sones
Groups (Walsh)	District3	MK1	Union J	—

My prefered option was this one (#3). Though I wonder if it makes it look like two of them are combined into one finalist. But maybe that's just a stupid thought.

Category (mentor)	Acts
Boys (Scherzinger)	James Arthur	Rylan Clark		Jahmene Douglas
Girls (Contostavlos)	Jade Ellis	Ella Henderson		Lucy Spraggan
Over 28s (Barlow)	Christopher Maloney	Melanie Masson	Carolynne Poole	Kye Sones
Groups (Walsh)	District3	MK1		Union J

Finally, when I saw someone trying to put decimal points in, I assumed they were trying something like this (#4), which I put in but thought it looked so odd, I gave up and went to #2. I had to make it that wide to get everything equal.

Category (mentor)	Acts
Boys (Scherzinger)	James Arthur				Rylan Clark				Jahmene Douglas
Girls (Contostavlos)	Jade Ellis				Ella Henderson				Lucy Spraggan
Over 28s (Barlow)	Christopher Maloney			Melanie Masson			Carolynne Poole			Kye Sones
Groups (Walsh)	District3				MK1				Union J

My final suggestion is a cross between 1 and 2, using a lighter shade of grey. I will say that I prefer having no empty cells. Maybe other people can come up with other ideas. So please please please can we discuss it. Thanks. –anemoneprojectors– 13:19, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

I prefer option number 3, personally. I don't like the look of empty cells, but if you don't like the idea of having columns of different widths etc, why not just add the other 3 wildcards to the table and colour them pink or some other colour? 82.40.232.15 (talk) 12:24, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

I do think I prefer option 3, the width of the cells doesn't bother me too much there. For the time being I've done option 1 with a lighter shade. I don't think we should include all the wildcards as we did originally, as they're not actually finalists. –anemoneprojectors– 12:56, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

Colours

I've often thought that the colours throughout our articles should match. We use pink in the finalists and weekly performance tables for elimination, but salmon in the results summary table, and then we use different shades of blue for bottom two in two different places. So I've made it more uniform. I know it looks weird now but we'll get used to it. I hope everyone is in agreement. If this isn't acceptable, we could consider changing them from pink to salmon all over, and using the darker shade of blue. –anemoneprojectors– 18:09, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

Why is the results table all pink, what was wrong with it before? --MSalmon (talk) 21:25, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

To match the "eliminated" pink colour in the rest of the article. Read above. –anemoneprojectors– 21:26, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

Then change the finalists & live show tables rather than the results table. --MSalmon (talk) 21:27, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

Unfortunately the salmon doesn't work in the performance tables because the linked text is harder to read. Why you you prefer those changed instead of the big table? –anemoneprojectors– 21:28, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, but I prefer it the way it is now --MSalmon (talk) 21:29, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

No objection to the change in the shade of blue? Why don't you think we should use the same colour for elimination throughout? Is it because it's not what you're used to? –anemoneprojectors– 21:33, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

I've done it all salmon now, I think I can cope with that if you (and others) are happy. Shall we stick with this lighter shade of blue or go back to the slightly darker one? –anemoneprojectors– 21:44, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

Ok, that is fine by me. Do you think the linked text is readable? (go back to the darker blue) --MSalmon (talk) 21:47, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

Yeah it's actually fine. I'll go and sort out the blue now. –anemoneprojectors– 21:50, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

Ok (will you change the other UK series and the US season or do you want me to do it)--MSalmon (talk) 21:52, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

Was going to ask about that. To be honest I don't think I can be bothered to do that much work right now! Do you want to do it? –anemoneprojectors– 21:54, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

Maybe tomorrow --MSalmon (talk) 21:56, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

Sure. It's much harder to remember "#87D3F8" than "lightblue" though! Do we really need to change it? Was it fine before? Did it matter that we used different colours? (yes) –anemoneprojectors– 22:00, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

No I think it was fine before --MSalmon (talk) 22:08, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

I guess, but I like consistency, and we weren't being consistent. I suppose we can put it all back how it was and see if anyone else comments. I was probably the only person who thought not being consistent was a problem! –anemoneprojectors– 22:23, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

Personally I prefer it the way it is now, the respective colours fit the tables they're part of perfectly. Changing it would be too much of a hassle as it's been done like this since series 1 and throughout all of the international versions. Hiimgeo (talk) 18:26, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

The Xtra Factor musical guests

Should we really include these? They don't appear on The X Factor but on its spinoff, and we don't list the other guests who appear on The Xtra Factor. –anemoneprojectors– 21:33, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

Msalmon has clearly supported me on this matter by removing the information! –anemoneprojectors– 12:04, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, forgot to mention it that I had removed them because they are not shown on the main show which is what the section is about. --MSalmon (talk) 12:30, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

However since this season in particular they are having guest on both nights it should be included on the page, we also could redo the xtra factor page and include muscial guests etc.--Cooly123 21:52, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

No they're not having guests on both nights. They did as a one off with Rozalla as an opening act. But it's a different show and doesn't need to be mentioned here - otherwise we would have to name all the guests they have on to discuss the show and we won't be doing that. –anemoneprojectors– 22:07, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

Buttons

I don't know if it's relevant for the article, but I noticed everyone (judges and participants) wearing these same buttons this episode and wondered what they stand for? I came here hoping to find the answer to that. 81.83.128.164 (talk) 22:29, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

You mean Poppies and no it is not really relevant --MSalmon (talk) 22:31, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

Not relevant but it's for Remembrance Sunday. –anemoneprojectors– 22:32, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

Week 6 - Geri Halliwell

Should we list her as a guest mentor? –anemoneprojectors– 21:28, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

It was only for Rylan though so there isn't really any point --MSalmon (talk) 22:09, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

Well I was going to add that she mentored Rylan. 'X Factor's Rylan Clark receives masterclass from Geri Halliwell. Robbie Williams didn't mentor everyone... –anemoneprojectors– 22:13, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

I was thinking that so yes that should be fine --MSalmon (talk) 22:14, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

Font size

I think we should keep it at 90% as it is much easier to read in my opinion. Please do not comment "no we are keeping it the same", please discuss the pros and cons before reverting edits. Thanks! --RachelRice (talk) 01:58, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

For me, 90% and 85% look exactly the same, but 95% looks too big. We reduced the size in previous years to help the table to fit better on screens, though it's difficult to know what other people see when they look at the article. –anemoneprojectors– 18:07, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Why don't we just reduce the 'line height'? It may just be the spacing that makes it look big. --RachelRice (talk) 04:51, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Table with reduced line height

Weekly results per contestant

Contestant	Week 1	Week 2	Week 3	Week 4	Week 5	Week 6	Week 7	Week 8	Week 9	Week 10
										Saturday	Sunday
James Arthur	Safe	Safe	Safe	Safe	Safe	Safe
Rylan Clark	12th	Safe	Safe	Safe	7th	Safe
Jahméne Douglas	Safe	Safe	Safe	Safe	Safe	Safe
Ella Henderson	Safe	Safe	Safe	Safe	Safe	Safe
Christopher Maloney	Safe	Safe	Safe	Safe	Safe	Safe
Union J	Safe	Safe	Safe	Bottom two	Safe	Bottom two
District3	Safe	11th	Safe	Safe	Safe	Bottom two	Eliminated (week 6)
Kye Sones	Safe	Safe	10th	Safe	8th	Eliminated (week 5)
Lucy Spraggan	Safe	Safe	Safe	—1	Withdrew (week 5)
Jade Ellis	Safe	Safe	Safe	Bottom two	Eliminated (week 4)
MK1	Safe	Safe	11th	Eliminated (week 3)
Melanie Masson	Safe	12th	Eliminated (week 2)
Carolynne Poole	13th	Eliminated (week 1)
Final showdown	Clark, Poole	District3, Masson	MK1, Sones	Ellis, Union J	Clark, Sones	District3, Union J
Walsh's vote to eliminate	Poole	Masson	Sones	Ellis	Clark	None (refused)
Contostavlos's vote to eliminate	Clark	Masson	Sones	Union J	Sones	—2
Barlow's vote to eliminate	Clark	District3	MK1	Ellis	Clark	District3
Scherzinger's vote to eliminate	Poole	District3	MK1	Ellis	Sones	District3
Eliminated	Carolynne Poole 2 of 4 votes Deadlock	Melanie Masson 2 of 4 votes Deadlock	MK1 2 of 4 votes Deadlock	Jade Ellis 3 of 4 votes Majority	Kye Sones 2 of 4 votes Deadlock	District3 2 of 2 votes Majority
Reference(s)

Doesn't that look so much better? --RachelRice (talk) 04:54, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

It makes very little difference to me, the main difference is in the above one, "Carolynne Poole" does not wrap, but that's insignificant. There are very slight differences in cell width and height, but that's also insignificant. If it looks so much better on your screen, you'll have to show us your screen! –anemoneprojectors– 08:59, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

That table doesn't look any different to what it is now, just with bigger font. --MSalmon (talk) 09:44, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Reduced height again, maybe you will see a different now. Here's what it is like without me reducing it:

Table without reduced line height

Weekly results per contestant

Contestant	Week 1	Week 2	Week 3	Week 4	Week 5	Week 6	Week 7	Week 8	Week 9	Week 10
										Saturday	Sunday
James Arthur	Safe	Safe	Safe	Safe	Safe	Safe
Rylan Clark	12th	Safe	Safe	Safe	7th	Safe
Jahméne Douglas	Safe	Safe	Safe	Safe	Safe	Safe
Ella Henderson	Safe	Safe	Safe	Safe	Safe	Safe
Christopher Maloney	Safe	Safe	Safe	Safe	Safe	Safe
Union J	Safe	Safe	Safe	Bottom two	Safe	Bottom two
District3	Safe	11th	Safe	Safe	Safe	Bottom two	Eliminated (week 6)
Kye Sones	Safe	Safe	10th	Safe	8th	Eliminated (week 5)
Lucy Spraggan	Safe	Safe	Safe	—1	Withdrew (week 5)
Jade Ellis	Safe	Safe	Safe	Bottom two	Eliminated (week 4)
MK1	Safe	Safe	11th	Eliminated (week 3)
Melanie Masson	Safe	12th	Eliminated (week 2)
Carolynne Poole	13th	Eliminated (week 1)
Final showdown	Clark, Poole	District3, Masson	MK1, Sones	Ellis, Union J	Clark, Sones	District3, Union J
Walsh's vote to eliminate	Poole	Masson	Sones	Ellis	Clark	None (refused)
Contostavlos's vote to eliminate	Clark	Masson	Sones	Union J	Sones	—2
Barlow's vote to eliminate	Clark	District3	MK1	Ellis	Clark	District3
Scherzinger's vote to eliminate	Poole	District3	MK1	Ellis	Sones	District3
Eliminated	Carolynne Poole 2 of 4 votes Deadlock	Melanie Masson 2 of 4 votes Deadlock	MK1 2 of 4 votes Deadlock	Jade Ellis 3 of 4 votes Majority	Kye Sones 2 of 4 votes Deadlock	District3 2 of 2 votes Majority
Reference(s)

Can you see any difference between the tables? If we did the tables like the first one then we could have a larger font size without the table looking so big. --RachelRice (talk) 13:47, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

I see what you've done now. Why do you want a larger font anyway? Isn't it large enough? What font size do you want? Maybe you should show those differences too. –anemoneprojectors– 14:48, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

I prefer the larger font size (90%), it's much easier to see and the writing just looks all wrinkly and horrible at 85% --RachelRice (talk) 02:03, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

For me, 90% and 85% are the same, so I'll have to leave this one to others to decide. –anemoneprojectors– 12:39, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Saturday night's final

Do we need to mention Rio Ferdinand and Lorna Bliss appearing in the opening VT? Also, Dermot said thanks to Only Boys Aloud after Jahmene's duet but I didn't even notice them - did they perform on the song? –anemoneprojectors– 21:33, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

Only Boys Aloud were either side of the judges desk and provided backing vocals --MSalmon (talk) 22:16, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. I put them in the table anyway, but they're not named as "guests" at all. –anemoneprojectors– 23:00, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

That's fine --MSalmon (talk) 23:01, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

More Maloney controversy

Christopher Maloney 'begged X Factor bosses to let him perform during final after foul-mouthed strop' –anemoneprojectors– 12:43, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

"Eliminated"

Probably should have discussed this before but I removed James Arthur from the "eliminated" row because he wasn't eliminated - he was the winner. What do we think? I also removed Maloney and put the other wildcards in, and I think that was the right thing to do and doesn't need discussion. –anemoneprojectors– 17:01, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

I agree, and removed Maloney from what? --MSalmon (talk) 18:20, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

He was listed as being "eliminated" after the wildcard vote - but it was the other three who were eliminated, not Maloney, so I listed them instead. –anemoneprojectors– 21:34, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

Ok, need to do series 8 as well (I removed Little Mix but not done the return vote for week 6) --MSalmon (talk) 21:51, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

I did it. Nobody was eliminated so it's just blank. –anemoneprojectors– 21:58, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, what are your thoughts on doing the same on other shows like Big Brother or I'm a Celeb?--MSalmon (talk) 22:00, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

Removing the winner from the "eliminated" row? I'd be all for it. –anemoneprojectors– 23:18, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

Further question on this. Over at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject The X Factor#Consensus on Results Table and other Table Formats, I have been discussing with another user the Philippines X Factor articles, and they have correctly brought up that the runner-up isn't eliminated either, and we show this in two places already - the box in the results summary on Jahméne's row where he is runner-up is not pink, and in the week 10 section, how row is not pink. This is technically correct, so I wondered if maybe we should change the eliminated row to the result, row, then put Maloney as the winner of the wildcard vote instead of the three losers, and James Arthur would then be listed as the winner instead of Jahmene as being eliminated. But we would also have to add information on this row such as "Christopher Maloney is wildcard", "Kye Sones eliminated" and "James Arthur wins". Any thoughts about this? It would affect many many articles! I would suggest discussing this centrally on the project talk page but I think more people watch the articles than the Wikiproject! –anemoneprojectors– 17:57, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

Something like this:

Weekly results per contestant

Contestant	Week 11		Week 2	Week 3	Week 4	Week 5	Week 6	Week 7	Week 8	Week 9	Week 10
	Wildcard vote	Elimination vote									Saturday	Sunday
Final showdown	None1	Clark, Poole	District3, Masson	MK1, Sones	Ellis, Union J	Clark, Sones	District3, Union J	Arthur, Henderson	Clark, Union J	No final showdown or judges' votes; results were based on public votes alone
Walsh's vote to eliminate		Poole	Masson	Sones	Ellis	Clark	None (refused)	Arthur	Clark
Contostavlos's vote to eliminate		Clark	Masson	Sones	Union J	Sones	—3	Arthur	Clark
Barlow's vote to eliminate		Clark	District3	MK1	Ellis	Clark	District3	Henderson	Clark
Scherzinger's vote to eliminate		Poole	District3	MK1	Ellis	Sones	District3	Henderson	Union J
Result	Christopher Maloney is wildcard ##% to return1	Carolynne Poole eliminated 2 of 4 votes Deadlock	Melanie Masson eliminated 2 of 4 votes Deadlock	MK1 eliminated 2 of 4 votes Deadlock	Jade Ellis eliminated 3 of 4 votes Majority	Kye Sones eliminated 2 of 4 votes Deadlock	District3 eliminated 2 of 2 votes Majority	Ella Henderson eliminated 2 of 4 votes Deadlock	Rylan Clark eliminated 3 of 4 votes Majority	Union J eliminated 18.1% to save	Christopher Maloney eliminated 16.8% to win	James Arthur wins ##% to win
Reference(s)

–anemoneprojectors– 18:01, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

The introduction.

"and was often beaten in the ratings by other programmes such as Strictly Come Dancing, Downton Abbey and I'm a Celebrity...Get Me Out of Here!"

I understand here the inclusion of Strictly Come Dancing, as they are on rival channels and went up against eachother. Downton Abbey and I'm a Celebrity however are on the same channel, obviously meaning different timeslots.. they are not in competition. It also seems odd to include which programming gained more ratings but not any specific figures, I would suggest the inclusion of the season average here. The introduction itself is too long, and goes into unnecessary detail I feel. 2.28.186.14 (talk) 21:53, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

The lead section is supposed to be a summary of the rest of the article, so it's unlikely to be too long. We don't have a series average yet because we're still waiting for some of the ratings to become available, but I think it would be good to include that. The X Factor used to be the higest rated show on all channels each week, but this series it's been beaten by other programmes on both BBC One and ITV, so I think that's worthy of inclusion too. –anemoneprojectors– 21:36, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

Another suggestion

Hey guys, I have posted this section a while ago in the project page. Just I have remembered, anemone told me before to try posting my suggestions here since everybody visits this page compared to the project talk page.

Anyways, I have a come up for a suggestion regarding the finalist table:

Which one is much better?

Category (Mentor)	Acts
Boys (Nievera)	Kedebon Colim	Gabriel Maturan	Jeric Medina
Girls (Charice)	Allen Sta. Maria	KZ Tandingan	Jerrianne Templo
Over 25s (Corrales)	Joan Da	Mark Mabasa	Modesto Taran
Groups (Valenciano)	A.K.A. Jam	Daddy's Home	Takeoff

or

Mentor	Nievera	Charice	Corrales	Valenciano
Category	Boys	Girls	Over 25s	Groups
Acts	Kedebon Colim	Allen Sta. Maria	Joan Da	A.K.A. Jam
	Gabriel Maturan	KZ Tandingan	Mark Mabasa	Daddy's Home
	Jeric Medina	Jerrianne Templo	Modesto Taran	Takeoff

The first table is the old table used by The X Factor Philippines (season 1) (it is a little modified version of the traditional table the other X Factor article use), and the table below it is a revised table that I would like to implement in that same article.

I think the bottom table is more organized, and less cluttered to look at compared to the old one.--AR E N Z O Y 1 6A•t a l k• 19:04, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

A better idea would be to direct people to the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject The X Factor#Another suggestion, where I've already replied. It's best to keep it all in one place, so anyone who's interested in this discussion, please go there. Thanks :-) –anemoneprojectors– 09:55, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 9 February 2013

Matthewmcd (talk) 19:57, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

Not done: Blank Request - Happysailor ^(Talk) 20:13, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

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