Talk:Tarzan yell

Distinction between the real Weissmuller Tarzan yell and characters merely impersonating the yell

Some of the film and TV examples appear to be occurrences of actors/characters just making a sound that's similar to the trademark yell. Since this article is specifically about the Weissmuller-Tarzan-yell sound clip I've removed the Ice Age 2 "Scrat makes a yell that sounds similar". Possibly some others on the list don't belong either but I'm not familiar with them. Psychonaut3000 18:30, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:John Weissmuller's MGM Tarzan Yell.ogg

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BetacommandBot (talk) 21:40, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

As of now, I can see a rationale. --Damian Yerrick (talk | stalk) 20:09, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Jane and Boy?

Seems a shame that the article completely fails to mention the similar calls made for Jane and Boy in the movies. 173.242.241.160 (talk) 01:31, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

• I found a site with a recording of the "Jane Yell," so I added it to the article. I cannot find a cite for Boy's yell. If you know of one, add it by all means. Sir Rhosis (talk) 04:29, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

"Hog caller from Arkansas"

This may well refer to hog calling, but now redirects to Calling the Hogs. Some research would be necessary for disambiguation. 37.190.156.25 (talk) 16:50, 15 April 2017 (UTC)

 Fixed 7&6=thirteen (☎) 10:50, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

Discrepancy between musical and verbal notation

A fascinating WP article (yawn). Can some Tarzan & yodel expert explain why the yell in musical notation and the yell described in words are rather different? (10 notes instead of 9, different intervals, in particular the middle note of the short triplet.) Herbmuell (talk) 12:00, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

The notated image isn't even correct musically; let alone in keeping to what is described in the Trademark sound description. I'm removing the image box altogether. It isn't even sourced. Maineartists (talk) 20:24, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

Weissmullers Call is a Palindrome

I have not found a source for that. But playing the call backwards proves it.79.214.119.233 (talk) 14:14, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

• I have also played it backwards, and indeed is a palindrome. The other phrase, about the second part been the same sound but played in reverse, seems also true. Alexcalamaro (talk) 16:37, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

@Alexcalamaro Hi. I saw that you placed the "Erbzine.com" reference source for the "Palindrome" claim. I read it but cannot find where it states that it is a palindrome. Could you please tell me where in the source it says this? Thanks! Maineartists (talk) 13:08, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Maineartists, it is more or less at the end of first quarter, after the photo and link to Douglas Shearer. It says: "This would explain why the yell is palindromic, i.e. it sounds the same whether played forward or backward -- the second half of the cry is the first half in reverse." I doubt about the source reliability, so I have added the "better source needed" tag. Cheers. Alexcalamaro (talk) 14:29, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

Appearances

Hey, TJRC. I noticed you reverted this inclusion: "In the 2005 animated feature Tarzan II young Tarzan (voiced by Harrison Chad let out a typical Tarzan yell." [1] Obviously due to the content being unsourced; or maybe trivial non-notable content? In keeping with this revert, it would seem there are similar inclusions in this section: "The yell is heard at Carolina Hurricanes home games." Many of which are unsourced, trivial, or WP:OR. It is a bit confusing when comparing the section: Appearances and Other Tarzan yells; which also contains unsourced OR trivial content. Would it be helpful to the article if a good scrub was applied to these sections (possibly a merge, since there is no good reason to have "Other" references that skirt the line of both sections) and only allow content that has strong references to back the claims? Lines such as: "In the 1991 TV series Land of the Lost, Christa (played by Shannon Day) used a similar sounding version of the yell that was used to calm certain animals" is pure opinion and personal interpretation without a strong source. Where one may hear a simple "call", it doesn't warrant a comparison to the Tarzan Yell. (It brings to mind Kira in The Dark Crystal when she "calls" her animal friends. Obviously, similar concept to Tarzan, but not the "Yell") Overall, both sections are a bit "lax" in their allowance. Such as this: "Jane (as portrayed by Maureen O'Sullivan) used a variation of the Tarzan Yell." Where? and also, the source is not quite "reliable". I could go on, but I think you get my drift. Thoughts? Maineartists (talk) 10:21, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

I would be fine with removing those kind of entries. IPC entries tend to grow into lists where an editor sees a movie or TV show, notes a similarity, and adds it to the list. It's obviously WP:OR as you note, and often the accuracy of it is suspect, based on the editor's opinion about similarity.

Ideally, before an item is listed, some third-party source should have noted it. I think we tend to be a little lax about these, maybe thinking that the work being listed is essentially serving as its own source, but I think that's a mistake. If no published source anywhere has ever noted it, I don't think Wikipedia is the place where it should be documented for the first time; and a lot of IPC sections end up growing into something like this.

I'm less adamant about clearing out material that's been there a while. I'll often tag them ones with a {{citation needed}} and circle back after several months. But I try to revert new bad additions. TJRC (talk) 15:12, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

Thanks so much, TJRC for your insight and take on the section(s) in question. With your consent, I'd like to take a stab at cleaning up these areas of agreement. Not going thru with a large broom and sweeping everything clean; but doing as much research to allow what should stay - to stay, with a reliable third party source. That way it will set a precedent for future inclusions if editors come to the page and wish to contribute. Seeing sources applied might be what these 2 sections need. Thanks also for keeping an eye on future insertions. Maineartists (talk) 20:24, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

You certainly don't need my consent, but for whatever it's worth, you certainly have it! TJRC (talk) 20:38, 7 July 2021 (UTC)