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About St Aloysius.

Latest comment: 7 months ago4 comments2 people in discussion

Foe the love of God what evidence do you want. I study there. If you want more proof just Google and check out the website of the institution. KnowledgeHunter6788 (talk) 18:53, 22 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

@KnowledgeHunter6788 I did, and it still calls itself "St. Aloysius College" there. As a general rule, our article titles lag when institutions change names; we can wait until after they officially change the name to change the article.

Furthermore, if you are a student there, you can be deemed to have a conflict of interest with the school, and because of your conflict, you should not edit the article directly. —C.Fred (talk) 18:56, 22 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

Can you please specify where does it calls itself St. Aloysius College, i don't see it anywhere. It clearly says Deemed to be University. KnowledgeHunter6788 (talk) 19:18, 22 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

About a quarter of the way down the front page, it says "Welcome to St. Aloysius College." While the copyright statement at the bottom just says "St. Aloysius", the logo above says "St Aloysius College (Autonomous), Mangaluru". Finally, the address still has "College" in it. —C.Fred (talk) 20:25, 22 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

Intro sentence, while the naming issues are being sorted out

Latest comment: 6 months ago2 comments2 people in discussion

While it may still be a little early--and we'd be peering into a crystal ball--to reach a decision just yet, it looks there is an evolving situation with the name of the institution.

The name of the article should reflect the common name, not necessarily the legal name, of the institution. I think for this, we have to wait to see how the media, in particular, refer to the institution.

As far as the introduction section, we normally mention the full legal name of the institution there. Again, this is a case where we need to see what happens, but a simple press release from the school would be enough to support that. (I don't see any such statement at the school's website, and their usage is a mismatch.

That said, I think we've got some options for the interim. What are your thoughts about these?

(status quo) St. Aloysius^[1] is a private, coeducational, Jesuit deemed university located in Mangalore, Karnataka, India.
St. Aloysius^[a] is a private, coeducational, Jesuit deemed university located in Mangalore, Karnataka, India.
St. Aloysius Deemed to be University^[b] is a private, coeducational, Jesuit deemed university located in Mangalore, Karnataka, India.
St. Aloysius Deemed to be University^[1] is a private, coeducational, Jesuit deemed university, founded in 1880 as St. Aloysius College and located in Mangalore, Karnataka, India.

Notes

^ St. Aloysius earned deemed to be university status in 2024^[1] and has begun referring to itself as St. Aloysius Deemed to be University, but it still uses its historical name, St. Aloysius College, in places.
^ St. Aloysius earned deemed to be university status in 2024,^[1] but it still uses its historical name, St. Aloysius College, in places.

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^ ^a ^b ^c ^d Bureau, The Hindu (2024-01-25). "St. Aloysius College gets Deemed-to-be-University status". The Hindu. ISSN 0971-751X. Retrieved 2024-03-02. {{cite news}}: |last= has generic name (help)

—C.Fred (talk) 15:02, 23 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

I'm warming towards St. Aloysius Deemed to be University and the fourth lead due to the suggestion by staff at the institution that an official name change occurred. However, I don't think we have sufficient clarity to establish if this new name is also the new COMMONNAME. I am also supportive of the second proposed lead as a splitting-the-difference option. ~ Pbritti (talk) 15:10, 23 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

Requested move 19 August 2024

Latest comment: 3 months ago13 comments8 people in discussion

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Moved to St. Aloysius, Mangalore. Clear consensus to move, and that the alternative title was more concise whilst rmeining precise. (non-admin closure) FOARP (talk) 14:52, 4 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

St. Aloysius College (Mangalore) → St. Aloysius (Deemed to be University) – There appears to be evidence that the parenthetical "(Deemed to be University)" is now part of the college's name and has recently become the COMMONNAME for this subject. I support a move to this new name, despite my previous objections. ~ Pbritti (talk) 22:29, 19 August 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. BilledMammal (talk) 13:25, 27 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

"deemed-to-be university" (with hyphens and lowercase), as in the Times of India? —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 01:33, 20 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
- Per Deemed university, hyphens seem acceptable. ~ Pbritti (talk) 01:50, 20 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

Note: WikiProject Education in India and WikiProject Higher education have been notified of this discussion. Aprilajune (talk) 02:22, 20 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

How about just St. Aloysius (Mangalore) or St. Aloysius, Mangalore? —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 17:04, 20 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
- I'm not familiar with any articles that refer to a university in this way. Not the worst options, though. ~ Pbritti (talk) 22:07, 20 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
Comment: St Aloysius (Deemed to be University) seems to be the closest match to the usage on the institution's homepage. (There are more instances of the name without the full stop than with one.) Ham II (talk) 16:04, 27 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
I see no justification for using uppercase for "Deemed" or "University" in Wikipedia policy/guidelines. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 16:16, 27 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
It seems to be part of the institution's name (though not always), so I was treating the parenthetical phrase as that rather than as Wikipedia disambiguation. If it should just be treated as Wikipedia disambiguation, though, I note that the article for the type of institution is at Deemed university rather than "Deemed to be university", etc.

Those terms are rather lacking in MOS:COMMONALITY, however, so is there a case for St Aloysius (university), or St Aloysius University, instead? Their Instagram account uses "St Aloysius University", and the styling of the logo is roughly ST ALOYSIUS (DEEMED TO BE UNIVERSITY) – make of that what you will. Ham II (talk) 16:57, 27 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
Support St Aloysius, Mangalore. Although it does seem to be used (including on the university's own signs), St. Aloysius (Deemed to be University) just looks too weird for me. It doesn't, incidentally, appear to use a full stop after the "St", in common with usual Commonwealth English. I would also note that the homepage of the university website appears to call it St Aloysius University before rapidly disappearing, so that would also be an option. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:02, 29 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
Alternative This appears to be too recent for us to determine how the change in status affects the WP:COMMONNAME (WP:NAMECHANGES). One might argue that Deemed to be University is being used as part of the name or it more simply reflects the deemed status. Unfortunately, there does not appear to be enough usage in independent sources to determine a COMMONNAME, though one might safely assume that St. Aloysius (without other stuff) would commonly be used. It has the virtue of being concise and the location would serve well for disambiguation from other uses on WP - eg St. Aloysius (Mangalore) or St. Aloysius, Mangalore (preferred). Cinderella157 (talk) 00:22, 1 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
St Aloysius, Mangalore seems good, per Necrothesp and Cinderella157. Dicklyon (talk) 05:11, 3 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

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[2] St. Aloysius earned deemed to be university status in 2024^[1] and has begun referring to itself as St. Aloysius Deemed to be University, but it still uses its historical name, St. Aloysius College, in places.

[3] St. Aloysius earned deemed to be university status in 2024,^[1] but it still uses its historical name, St. Aloysius College, in places.

[deemed-1] Bureau, The Hindu (2024-01-25). "St. Aloysius College gets Deemed-to-be-University status". The Hindu. ISSN 0971-751X. Retrieved 2024-03-02. {{cite news}}: |last= has generic name (help)

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