Talk:Slowpoke

Good Article Review 2024

GA Review

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

---

This review is transcluded from Talk:Slowpoke (Pokémon)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: PrimalMustelid (talk · contribs) 14:16, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Reviewer: 48JCL TALK 02:22, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Source review

Stuff in lead is proven in body. 48JCL TALK 20:56, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Slowpoke, known in Japanese as Yadon[7] could be moved to the beginning of the section. 48JCL TALK 20:56, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

OK i fixed that. 48JCL TALK 21:29, 11 June 2024 (UTC) so pass

Spot check

[1] Pass, might not be rs though

[2] Pass

[3] Pass

[4] Pass

[5] Why is Staff the last name? But works, so pass.

[6] Pass

[7] Pass

Stable

Pass

Copyvio

Earwig shows 10.7% which is good. Pass.

Mos

Pass

Broad

Pass

Focused

Pass

Overall

Passing

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

PrimalMustelid (talk · contribs) 14:16, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Requested move 11 June 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. Rough consensus to move. While those in opposition were more numerous, consensus is determined not by counting !votes but by the quality of the arguments given on the various sides of an issue, as viewed through the lens of Wikipedia policy.

Through this lens, we find that most, although not all, oppose !votes have little basis in policy, and are merely the expressions of editors beliefs. We also needed to discount one !support vote, which merely asserted that the nuclear reactor was not primary.

With this done we see a rough consensus to move as proposed - while I would consider relisting again, this has been open for almost a month and already relisted once. (closed by non-admin page mover) BilledMammal (talk) 20:22, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

---

• Slowpoke (Pokémon) → Slowpoke
• Slowpoke → Slowpoke (disambiguation)

– No obvious competition for primary topic. Everything else is either a WP:PTM, different per WP:SMALLDETAILS, or has no article. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 23:27, 11 June 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. BilledMammal (talk) 00:51, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Comment unfamiliar with precedent for stuff like this, but would the word itself not be the primary topic? I understand the word itself lacks an article, but it has a requisite wikitionary article and is the main usage of the word. Obviously if this doesn't apply then it's whatever, but I want to double check this given my own lack of familiarity with these kinds of disambiguation topics. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 23:36, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a dictionary, so words cannot be primary topics unless there is a viable encyclopedia article on the word or a related concept it can link to. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 10:16, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Alright, I just wanted to make sure. I Support this given that the other alternatives are much lower in terms of viewcount than Slowpoke. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 12:48, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose, no PRIMARY.--Ortizesp (talk) 13:23, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

  Per Zx, all other topics do not share the exact name of the subject or have significantly less pageviews than Slowpoke. Thus, Slowpoke is the primary topic while others sharing the name are at the disambiguation page. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 14:23, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose. This article may have the higher pageviews, but SLOWPOKE reactor has the higher long-term notability. No primary topic. 162 etc. (talk) 15:32, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

  @162 etc.: SLOWPOKE is an acronym, so it falls under WP:DIFFCAPS similar to MAVEN vs Maven. In fact, it doesn't have to be at "reactor", it could simply be under SLOWPOKE. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 01:04, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

  DIFFCAPS is insufficient here as reliable sources also use "Slowpoke".[1][2][3] 162 etc. (talk) 22:39, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

  Frankly, these seem like typos on the part of the writer. The vast majority of sources refer to it in all-caps, such as here, here, etc. A few minor errors don't demonstrate that the lowercase name is at all common. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 07:12, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose if there is a primary, it is the nuclear reactor, per 162 -- 64.229.90.32 (talk) 09:11, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

  See what I replied with above. SLOWPOKE falls under DIFFCAPS and both can be primary for different capitalizations of the word. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 01:06, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

• Support, IP is wrong, nuclear reactor is not primary. xq 20:15, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose The Wiktionary entry, which the disambiguation page links to, is the most likely topic for users to be searching for. Many of them would likely be very confused if they were sent to an article about a Pokémon. QuicoleJR (talk) 21:20, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

  @QuicoleJR: To Quicole (and/or the closer of this discussion), Wikipedia is not a dictionary and Wiktionary entries cannot be a primary topic. Some words can be redirected to Wiktionary, but only when an encyclopedia article does not exist. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 01:07, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

  @Zxcvbnm: Articles that do not exist can be primary topics. In that scenario, we treat the other articles as if there was no primary topic until the article is written. QuicoleJR (talk) 13:50, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Relist to get a clearer consensus; while the opposes are more numerous, the supports have stronger arguments BilledMammal (talk) 00:51, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose while I am unsure if an exact policy can be cited here, I feel too there's a point where WP:COMMONSENSE can: the term "slowpoke" is just TOO common in the every day language and pop culture to apply it to the Pokemon as a primary. Every fiber of my being is telling me this is a terrible idea.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 01:31, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

  As you have admitted, this is not a policy based argument. Policy itself states that if there is not the ability to create an encyclopedic article on the word, a dictionary definition should not be placed there "just because". In this case it doesn't seem that there's enough information to make a WP:WORDISSUBJECT article, or a sensible place to direct it as a primary topic. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 07:02, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

  Not everything needs to be a policy based argument Zx. There's a reason WP:IGNOREALLRULES exists. Please don't wikilawyer me to try and disregard my statement, I put a significant amount of thought into this matter and that's a conclusion based off a long time on this website.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 16:21, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose permitting potentially any and all Pokémon to get a Wikipedia article on this site if interested editors can meet the fairly generous standards of notability that this site operates off of is one thing, but suggesting their localized English names can become WP:PTOPIC over other articles of consequence is another thing entirely. AVNOJ1989 (talk) 16:30, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

  I am not sure why your dislike of it is relevant here? Unless you open an RfC and have your way, then it's entitled to what any other article is. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 07:04, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

• Weak support – I think the comic strip and the song both have some potential for their own article, but even then this one is primary above them. Slowpoke moth comes close but is also obviously less primary. Honestly, the Wiktionary link is one of the main reasons I am so hesitant, it's an interesting word with a long history. There's no strong policy reason for this not to be the primary topic, but I'm comfortable in either situation. At the very least, the disambiguation page will not be surprising to people landing on it. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 09:50, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
• Weak support based on the policy arguments above (DIFFCAPS, etc, and while it's only implied, it makes sense that a word can't be a primary topic, so unless somebody wants to bang out a draft for the word really quick, the Pokemon looks like the primary topic, and if a word COULD be the primary topic, NGRAM viewer shows usage going back to the 1900s, while the pokemon only existed since 1996, so the word would win in that case). I do believe it is a bit astonishing to anybody not expecting a Pokemon, and that there is a case that while the Pokemon is a strong contender for the primary topic, it may benefit from the precision of being noted as such in the title, but I can't find a single policy for that so I will simply support while leaving open the possibility we might override our policy. ASUKITE 15:43, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose: I do not believe that the Pokémon is the primary topic for this term. I completely agree with Kung Fu Man. This is a very common term, and I just do not see how and why the Pokémon should be put as the primary topic. Aoba47 (talk) 21:21, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Adding to GAR

Time for the real review, @Pokelego999. Give me a second. xq 20:16, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Duplinking

Seems to link Ken Sugimori and XP twice.

Lead

seems good

Design and characteristics

Slowpoke, known in Japanese as Yadon,[2] is a fictional species of Pokémon created for the Pokémon franchise. Developed by Game Freak and published by Nintendo, the series began in Japan in 1996 with the release of the video games Pokémon Red and Blue for the Game Boy.[3] In these games, the player assumes the role of a Pokémon Trainer whose goal is to capture and train creatures called Pokémon. Players use the creatures' special abilities to combat other Pokémon.[4] A major goal in each game is to complete the Pokédex, a comprehensive Pokémon encyclopedia,[5] by obtaining individuals from all Pokémon species.[4]

Sounds like it belongs in the lead

Pokédex entries state that it is very slow, inactive, and dopey, thus making it difficult to tell if it is awake or asleep. => It is difficult to tell if it is awake, as Pokédex entries have stated that it is very slow, inactive, and dopey. Also maybe quote that too.

Other comments

Maybe add some EFNs? It is slightly confusing if you have not played pokémon before, but considering that most people coming here are from pokémon then no. xq 23:41, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

The design and characteristics intro paragraph is used in Pokemon species articles for context on the concepts of the series so readers unfamiliar can understand some of the terms better. It's placed there rather than the lead as it would clog the lead otherwise and is more relevant there. I also looked at the sentence you wanted me to reword, and I feel your suggestion borders on being a bit too in-universe. Either way, I have reworded it, so I hope that clarifies it better. Additionally, I don't believe EFNs are needed, but where would you suggest putting them? I wish to see what your thoughts are on that. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 01:14, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

i’ll add more tomorrow. xq 02:23, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Pokelego999, I am slightly confused on why the article uses mdy dates. That’s all I got. 48JCL 12:49, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

I believe the MDY format is consistent, and if I remember correctly it's fine to use any given format so long as it is consistent, though do correct me if I'm wrong. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 17:03, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Outside comment: A), I don't feel that there's a strong national connection for any of the Pokemon, which is a global franchise. So the maintainer can just pick a style they like. B), even if you think there is a strong connection, it'd be to Japan, and Japan uses Y-M-D dates by default (List of date formats by country), which is a rare style on Wikipedia - it's more common to always use either MDY or DMY, and YMD is closer to MDY. But if you really wanted to shift it, it'd be to YMD. SnowFire (talk) 17:46, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

It should use YMD, per the Japanese origination, and international spread of this franchise. That map shows YMD is used through most of Eurasia, Europe Asia; Oceania, southern Africa, Canada, USA -- 64.229.90.32 (talk) 20:51, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

That is not really a thing on Wikipedia, which standardizes on MDY or DMY in prose. Note that Template:Use mdy dates exists but Template:Use ymd dates does not. (You can use YMD for citations or in tables when appropriate, of course, just not in one of the prose options.) SnowFire (talk) 21:32, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Using {{Use mdy dates|cs1-dates=y}} will autoformat citations into YMD. I believe this is appropriate at least in citations; the prose can be what-ever the authors agree upon (the main one being Pokelego999 in this case). Reconrabbit 20:04, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Why does Slowpoke get or deserve his own page, yet Infernape and Arceus and Rayquaza don’t?

Well, that’s weird. SIGNATURE GOES HERE LOL — Preceding unsigned comment added by PyukumukuAce (talk • contribs) 17:06, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

@PyukumukuAce per your discussions on other talk pages, this is because Slowpoke has coverage in sources that the other three (To my knowledge) do not have. Additionally, if you wish to sign your comments while using source editor, use the four tildes (~ ~~~ without the space between the first and second tilde) and if you do it using visual editor, your comments should be signed automatically. Hope this helps. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 17:11, 2 September 2024 (UTC)