Talk:Sigeberht of East Anglia/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Bencherlite^Talk 14:09, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

Interesting, so I'll take a closer look. Bencherlite^Talk 14:09, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

Preliminaries:

• No dablinks (well, there was one, which I removed as "Burgundy" had already been linked).
• No broken external links.

Checking against the Good Article criteria:

• Images: three, all with prima facie valid free licensing
• Stable - yes
• Broadness and appropriate focus - looks OK
• Prose and references - I made a few changes as I went through, leaving just these questions / comments / suggestions:
  • Do we have an approximate year of birth for him in the sources?
  • "William of Malmesbury describes him as his stepson" - I'm a bit lost as to who "him" and "his" are here!
  • "While in Gaul, Sigeberht was converted and baptized and became a very Christian and a very learned man. He was strongly impressed by the religious institutions and schools for the study of reading and writing which he found during his long exile." Could do with a reference, and also avoiding "very... very" if possible.
  • Second half of the first of the paragraphs under "Accession" could do with a reference.
  • Similarly the last sentence of the second "Accession" paragraph
  • Similarly the second half of the bishopric paragraph.
  • "Hereswith and Hild" - should that be "Hilda"? If not, who is Hild?
  • "then the nearest bishopric in Kent to East Anglia." It still is the nearest bishopric in Kent to East Anglia; are you trying to say that it was the nearest bishopric to East Anglia, and it was in Kent?
  • "Cnobheresburg" has a tag.
  • "Not long afterwards..." after what?
  • "In this way Sigeberht became a Christian martyr.[23] indicates that the leader of the Mercian assault..." We seem to be missing a word before "indicates".
  • "Penda never accepted Christian teaching and made war against the powers associated with it, seeing himself as the rightful representative of Anglian custom, rule and identity" has a tag
  • In fact, none of the final paragraph has a source.
  • "As a royal martyr, Saint Sigeberht's feast day was observed variously on 29 October" makes me think (1) that if he was not a royal martyr, his feast would not be 29 October, which I don't think is what is meant, and (2) what does "variously" mean in this context?
• Sources look good but questions of verifiability / OR will depend on resolving some of the points above.

On hold for the traditional time to allow discussion / resolution of these points. Bencherlite^Talk 14:34, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

- Do we have an approximate year of birth for him in the sources? no - comment added - "William of Malmesbury describes him as his stepson" - I'm a bit lost as to who "him" and "his" are here! made clearer - "While in Gaul, Sigeberht was converted and baptized and became a very Christian and a very learned man. He was strongly impressed by the religious institutions and schools for the study of reading and writing which he found during his long exile." Could do with a reference, and also avoiding "very... very" if possible.Verys sorted; ref added (Plunkett) - Second half of the first of the paragraphs under "Accession" could do with a reference. ref added - Similarly the last sentence of the second "Accession" paragraph sentence removed - Similarly the second half of the bishopric paragraph. ref added - "Hereswith and Hild" - should that be "Hilda"? If not, who is Hild? alteration made - "then the nearest bishopric in Kent to East Anglia." It still is the nearest bishopric in Kent to East Anglia; are you trying to say that it was the nearest bishopric to East Anglia, and it was in Kent? strange phrase replaced - "Cnobheresburg" has a tag. ref added - "Not long afterwards..." after what? impossible to tell - "In this way Sigeberht became a Christian martyr.[23] indicates that the leader of the Mercian assault..." We seem to be missing a word before "indicates". Phrase removed - In fact, none of the final paragraph has a source. Half the paragraph taken out, ref needed for last bit - "As a royal martyr, Saint Sigeberht's feast day was observed variously on 29 October" makes me think (1) that if he was not a royal martyr, his feast would not be 29 October, which I don't think is what is meant, and (2) what does "variously" mean in this context? Sentence changed to make more sense

• In my search for these references, I found a little more for the article, to be added asap.--Amitchell125 (talk) 20:35, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
  • OK, leave a message here when you're ready for me to take another look. Bencherlite^Talk 21:59, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
    • I'm done, hopefully it's OK now. Thanks for your comments, Bencherlite.--Amitchell125 (talk) 22:28, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
      • Prose is now fine and I'm happy with the quality of the article. MOS:LAYOUT gives the standard order for additional sections, so I've tweaked that (and make one or two minor changes) and will now pass this as a GA. Well done! Bencherlite^Talk 20:51, 14 February 2011 (UTC)