Talk:Sabre

Some fixing

I just added a bit of information about the use of the weapon in warfare since what was there consisted of about a single sentence describing its use and then the rest of the paragraph was about how and why it was no longer used. I also added some information to clarify and expand on the explanation of how the weapon was/is carried, as well as the differences in appearance between the traditional sabre and the modern fencing sabre.OzoneO (talk) 12:16, 27 December 2009 (UTC) ---Wow. All the changes I made to the horrible grammar in the "exceptions" explanation about wearing the sword are gone as well as the descriptions of its usage (with was referenced). All the remains is the information about the differences between the modern and traditional versions. That took about 5 seconds to disapear and no explanation on the talk page... no wonder I don't bother contributing much to Wikipedia any longer.OzoneO (talk) 12:26, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Question:

Do we differentiate between English and US-centric spellings? The US spelling is saber. Should we have an article that redirects to sabre, or just indicate that it is spelled differently in Leftpondia? -- Zoe

Zoe Please use a heading it keep everything organized_{I think it's better left alone} --71.184.14.79 (talk) 01:26, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Merge with Szabla

Szabla

Why in an English-language resource would the English term be merged with a Hungarian term that is never used in English? The link on Szablya should be plenty connection enough. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by LINKBook (talk • contribs) .

Sabre

Note that the -pedia has both the US and the "other English speakers'" spelling for saber saw amid the discussion for jigsaw. A search for "saber saw" took me there. But a search for "sabre saw" brought me only to this sword entry. A system of cross references would indeed be helpful. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by LINKBook (talk • contribs) .

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What the heck is a Zsblaya? Or whatever it's called? Nobody is going to search for that. It's bad enough having the page named "sabre" instead of "saber"...but this?

The Cavalry Saber and the "infantry"(/officer-style) sabre are two very different things, both in spelling and in use. The Cavalry saber would be used with the horse in a continuous charge (for as long as possible) in either a fluid slashing movement, or as a stabbing weapon in which the point goes in and is twisted (to escape the suction effect of the body tissue) and then pulled out, leaving the corpse behind. When the horse is stationary, the blade would be merely hacked down upon the enemy. THe "infantry" sabre would be used often in one on one combat with parrying etc in the usual fencing style. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.136.201.209 (talk) 17:57, August 25, 2007 (UTC)

Flameviper12 15:23, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

-- Cavalrymen had very complex mounted swordsmanship, in fact, including various types of parries, and the 'suction effect' is a myth. It doesn't exist. Sigma-6 (talk) 06:16, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

---The cavalries of different countries had different techniques with these weapons. There is no difference in spelling when the swords were used by infantry or cavalry. The difference is simply the later American simplified English, nothing more. OzoneO (talk) 12:16, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Sabre

There should still be separate pages because the two are slightly different, just to keep the Wikipedia as diverse as possible, if nothing else. It's interesting to find these things when you're searching random articles an such. Oh, and by the way, "sabre" IS the proper spelling. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Linkmask77 (talk • contribs) .

• keep: Sabre or saber is the english term that would be most likely used in a search, I can't see a merge with Szabla as being useful, if anything it could be the other way. It's listed under See also so time to move on — Graibeard ^(talk) 09:57, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Closed as a keep This debate was kicked off on 25 April 2006 with LINKbooks comment above, the merge template was added on 07:40, 13 February 2006 Yakudza (Talk | contribs) (merge with Szabla) — Graibeard ^(talk) 09:57, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

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Saber:origin and usage

The word saber or sabre is from the Hungarian SZABNI, i.e. "to tailor." The term evolved from the orginal sarcastic usage "to tailor" i.e. 'szab-ni" one's opponent. The saber or "szabja" was orginally the weapon of the LIGHT cavalry, (see HUSSARS, another Hungarian term i.e. HUSZAR) while the heavy cavalry (DRAGOONS, CUIRASSIERS,)more often used the PALLASH, (or PALLOS,) a straight, single or sometimes double edged blade frequently with a rounded point. The sabre was primarily a slashing weapon and as the article correctly notes it probably evolved from the Persian SHAMSHIR. The Hungarian language is full of words of Persian/Turkish orgin for all that iit is being classified as a Finno-Ugrian language. The Hungarian word for sword is KARD which is also the Persian word for a single edged, rigid backed cutting/thrusting weapon. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.146.62.11 (talk) 03:49, 10 February 2007 (UTC).

Please provide at least two trustworthy links proving this.--71.184.14.79 (talk) 01:28, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Saber:origin and usage

The word saber or sabre is from the Hungarian SZABNI, i.e. "to tailor." The term evolved from the orginal sarcastic usage "to tailor" i.e. 'szab-ni" one's opponent. The saber or "szabja" was orginally the weapon of the LIGHT cavalry, (see HUSSARS, another Hungarian term i.e. HUSZAR) while the heavy cavalry (DRAGOONS, CUIRASSIERS,)more often used the PALLASH, (or PALLOS,) a straight, single or sometimes double edged blade frequently with a rounded point. The sabre was primarily a slashing weapon and as the article correctly notes it probably evolved from the Persian SHAMSHIR. The Hungarian language is full of words of Persian/Turkish orgin for all that iit is being classified as a Finno-Ugrian language. The Hungarian word for sword is KARD which is also the Persian word for a single edged, rigid backed cutting/thrusting weapon. With all respect due to Lt. much later Gen. George S66.146.62.11 04:00, 10 February 2007 (UTC). Patton,) the rigid, straight bladed weapon he called the "saber" is properly called a TOR (put two right-hand slashes over the "o" in the word) and was supposedly first evolved by the Czehs (Bohemians?) to defeat mail armor sometime in the twelth-thirteenth centuries.)—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.146.62.11 (talk) 03:49, 10 February 2007 (UTC).

Saber is also a GDS(Global Distribution System) which provide solutions to Airline,Hotels,Car etc.

Yes, but what **is** a sabre?

This is quite unclear from the article. I'd always thought of a sabre as being a thinnish curved sword used by cavalry. But the picture of the straight officers' sabre in this article, and the article on the Brtish 1908 cavalry sabre, make it clear that a sabre can be straight. So what distinguishes a sabre from any other sword? If anyone has a clear definition, it would be good to add this to the article. KiwiBiggles 05:39, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

--As I understand it, Sabres in Western Europe were originally curved and single-edged, generally used by cavalry, but then, as a result of the preferences of certain units and individuals, were at times manufactured with straight or double-edged blades, or both. Cossacks used a curved, double-edged sabre without a guard, for example, while Prussian Heavy Dragoons used a saber with a straight double-edged blade with a basket hilt that really just looked like a broadsword with a thinner blade. My understanding is that it's a question of evolution, and that later sabers that don't fit the strict definition are defined as such by their developmental lineage (used by Cavalry, have blade construction like the more characteristic patterns (similar fullers, full tangs, guards and pommels associated with curved sabres, like the curved quillions, or the three-bar basket hilt. . . you see where I'm going). Basically, it's a sabre if the people who used it called it one because they'd always done that. Sigma-6 (talk) 06:16, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

As Sigma-6 says, it is a sabre or saber if someone says it is! When the term entered the Western European lexicon, I think it would be fair to say it referred exclusively to a single edged, curved cavalry sword. If you'd shown a Patton Sabre to an 18th Century soldier, he certainly wouldn't call it that, but the term evolved along with the sword so, in US terms at least, by the 20th century any cavalry sword is a saber, regardless of morphology (Interestingly, officially at least, this wasn't true of the British- their Patterns were called "Cavalry Sword"). Epeeist smudge (talk) 15:50, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

Stachowski's etymology

The article doesn't mention what Stachowski's alternative etymology is. Lisa the Sociopath (talk) 13:36, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Look it up, and add it to the article. If you wish to do something productive. ^~JBP~

contradictory information

Why does this article state that the sabre is descended from the backsword which is a term for a later period sword? The article itself states that it's descended from either the Falchion or (more likely) the turkish sabre. I'm editing that out and when I get my hands on some decent source material I'll add something better. Master z0b (talk) 08:10, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Master, you may be correct about the contradiction on origins concerning backswords, so revert if you can confirm your point. But it would be incorrect to assert that all sabers are single edged, as the article's second sentence clearly points out. Jack Bethune (talk) 12:06, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Yeah you're right there, I re-edited to remove reference to the backsword but left all the other information in. Master z0b (talk) 04:31, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Removed the trivia warning

I removed the template saying "get rid of the trivia list", since a "In popular culture" section is generally considered acceptable practice.SpectrumDT (talk) 20:16, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Dueling

I think there needs to be section on the grand tradition of saber duelling, especially in Prussia/Austro-Germany, and mentioning how saber scars were a prized symbol of manhood and strength, prowess, etc. After all, that 19th and 20th century habit didn't die out till as late as 1940 or so -- even Oskar Werner had a saber scar. Softlavender (talk) 09:43, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

You are looking for the article on Academic fencing or "Mensur" -- Marcika (talk) 23:50, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Foreign language...

Seibaa from Japanese. Sable is from Philippines/Spain/Mexico/Spanish countries. 124.106.138.104 (talk) 04:05, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

Kushite sword

Kushite Sword

seems like kushite sword was the original sabre and euroasian steppe people might have got it from the kushites 115.135.118.112 (talk) 04:36, 7 January 2019 (UTC)