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Remove "under an authoritarian dictatorship" from the table. Russia is not a dictatorship and has a semi-presidential system. Higger1 (talk) 21:02, 14 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
I don't see in the sources where it supports stating as fact that Russia is a dictatorship. Could someone provide quotes? What I saw in the sources might support something like "has been described as an authoritarian dictatorship in practice". ☺Coppertwig (talk) 18:14, 10 October 2024 (UTC)Reply
This is a serious issue. Wikipedia is chosing to provide false data with objectives that seen different than just being an information source.
While you can define Russia as "under an authoritarian government", stating that is a "under an autoritharian dictatorship" is simply contrafactual. And it would be an important nuance between both statements.
A Dictatorship has institutions and laws securing the dictatorial government in place and providing legitimacy for the dictatorship. This does not happens in Russia because there´s no such dictatorship. The fact that de government employs some authoritarian measures does not turn it into a dictorship.
None of the sources quoted can "back up" the said statement. They are all societal studies with rather subjective about vague concepts such as "freedom" and none of them provide a single legal description on how Russia would objetively be a dictatorship. 2800:810:471:234B:C8A8:7E8B:5192:AC59 (talk) 20:45, 18 November 2024 (UTC)Reply
"A Dictatorship has institutions and laws securing the dictatorial government in place and providing legitimacy for the dictatorship."
Says who? You? What's your source for this definition of a dictatorship? Britannica: "Dictatorship, form of government in which one person or a small group possesses absolute power without effective constitutional limitations." That's Russia alright. 219.90.189.144 (talk) 18:01, 1 December 2024 (UTC)Reply
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Wikipedia is mistaken in some of the concepts about Russia: "Federal semi-presidential republic under an authoritarian dictatorship"
Russia is a democracy, and it is misleading the general population knowledge about its system... 2603:8001:E700:3B39:2CF2:B234:801F:18EC (talk) 00:58, 21 October 2024 (UTC)Reply
Ok, try running for president and speaking against the war or against Putin, you will experience the non-dictatorship firsthand and then you can cite that as a source in your argument here. Until then, it's a dictatorship. 219.90.189.144 (talk) 18:02, 1 December 2024 (UTC)Reply
You can't use your anecdotal hypothetical as a source. Russia is a democracy and anyone can run for President if they fulfill the requirements, just because the President is popular and easily wins every election and has stayed in power for a long time doesn't mean it's a dictatorship (Before Angela Merkel resigned as Chancellor of Germany she had been in power longer than Putin). Third party western friendly opinion polls even show that Putin is very popular. Any argument you use to argue for it being labeled a "dictatorship" can be used for a western country as well. Grifspdax (talk) 12:01, 3 December 2024 (UTC)Reply
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This ambiguity needs to be corrected by someone who has extended godlike editing permissions for this page:
The sentence:
"Russia is a highly urbanised country including 16 population centres with over a million inhabitants."
...needs to have the word "each" inserted between "centres" and "with".
Thanks! 00:53, 6 December 2024 (UTC)~ philiptdotcom (talk) 00:53, 6 December 2024 (UTC)Reply
I don't think this is actually ambiguous unless one is trying very hard to misread it. However, the sentence is poorly written regardless, so I rewrote it. Remsense ‥ 论01:27, 6 December 2024 (UTC)Reply
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Since this should be a high-level overview of the country, I am not convinced that resolutions passed by parliaments of countries allied to Ukraine declaring Russia to be a state sponsor of terrorism is notable enough for inclusion here. Ideally, the invasion section should only briefly mention the key points about the war. Is this really one of the most important details about the war? The invasion was widely condemned, that much is clear, but also mentioning such resolutions that serve mainly symbolic purposes seems undue IMO. I also see no good reason to single out the Baltic states.
A notable exception would be something like the U.S. State Sponsors of Terrorism list, which although is a geopolitical tool, would impose maximum sanctions and so be far more notable than these resolutions. That is why it is no surprise that only a handful of countries have been included in that list. Does anyone even refer to these parliamentary resolutions when giving an overview of the conflict? As a result, I would suggest to remove this completely. If Russia was included in the U.S. designation, then I think this would be notable enough to mention. Mellk (talk) 17:46, 8 December 2024 (UTC)Reply
The good reason to "single out" Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia is that they have actually declared Russia a terrorist state. Not a sponsor of terrorism. A country being declared a terrorist state by multiple other independent countries is pretty unprecedented. And if the US adds Russia to its list then we'll add it here too, until then I'm not sure why we're talking about hypotheticals. Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia may not have the geopolitical pull of the US, but apparently enough for it to be noted by WP:RS that this is the stance taken by them. TylerBurden (talk) 20:01, 9 December 2024 (UTC)Reply
WP:NOTNEWS. Just because a news outlet reports something, does not mean it belongs here. These are all parliamentary statements/resolutions that were adopted. You also did not address the other points. Even the Reuters article says: "The move is largely symbolic, as the European Union does not have a legal framework in place to back it up". Mellk (talk) 20:06, 9 December 2024 (UTC)Reply
How is being declared a terrorist state by three countries not enduring information? WP:NOTNEWS addresses trivial updates that do not have lasting value, Russia being declared a terrorist state is not trivial and will be relevant in the future as well. You're talking as if this is a normal thing that happens. If you want to add something about it being symbolic, then knock yourself out. TylerBurden (talk) 20:39, 9 December 2024 (UTC)Reply
As I have just stated, these are parliamentary statements. These are not official designations or anything that have any consequences. These parliaments have also adopted plenty of resolutions about the war. If you believe that these parliamentary statements are one of the most important points about the war that they should be mentioned in the article about the country, we can remove the recent addition you made to address the problem with undue weight. Otherwise, we can remove the mention about the statements/resolutions so that the article can focus on more important details about the war. Mellk (talk) 20:44, 9 December 2024 (UTC)Reply
Be specific, you're saying if the content is to stay we are to remove the fact that Russia has been accused of numerous war crimes in the invasion? TylerBurden (talk) 20:46, 9 December 2024 (UTC)Reply
In any case, I do not see any good reason to mention the parliaments of the Baltic states specifically adopting such resolutions/statements when the preceding sentence already says that a number of parliaments have already adopted such resolutions. There is no difference. Mellk (talk) 20:52, 9 December 2024 (UTC)Reply
To you there is no difference between being a sponsor of terrorism and a terrorist, you've made that clear, yet if they're the same thing then I wonder why the wording in these resolutions is not the same, but evidently there is no point going back and forth when there is such a fundamental disagreement on the basics, perhaps it's better to let other editors weigh in.
Yes, there is no difference because they are simply statements of condemnation with no consequences. As the Politico article says: "The Estonian parliament is only the third national one to condemn the Kremlin in such strong terms, following its two Baltic neighbors Lithuania and Latvia". Yet you take this as some kind of official designation. The problem here is that the condemnation of the invasion is already mentioned, hence the problem with undue weight.
I have also not changed my position. I did not say I think the content should stay there. I have just said that I do not think the mention of the Baltic states should be there in any case. Mellk (talk) 21:10, 9 December 2024 (UTC)Reply
I think your response speaks for itself, like I said let someone else weigh in, because it seems at this point you're just trying to put words into my mouth. Russia acts like a terrorist state, gets declared a terrorist state by multiple countries, this is covered by WP:RS, this is added to the article. It's that simple, there is no "official designation" whatever that means in this scenario.
So it seems you want to avoid the question, I think it's pretty important both for this discussion and insight into your wider conduct on this site, you said "If you believe that these parliamentary statements are one of the most important points about the war that they should be mentioned in the article about the country, we can remove the recent addition you made to address the problem with undue weight". The only content I have recently added was in this diff, about the very much established and notable fact that Russia has been accused of committing numerous war crimes. Obviously I'm not sure about the sincerity in your "proposal", but sure seems to me like you're implying choosing between the two.
I have no idea how removing content that is clearly WP:DUE to keep content you strongly argue is not would be a sensible solution in any way shape or form. But I would love to see you try to make the same arguments about Russian war crimes in Ukraine, are you going to call those WP:UNDUE too? TylerBurden (talk) 21:02, 10 December 2024 (UTC)Reply
Yes, this is a waste of time because you cannot interpret the sources correctly. There are far more important developments in the war (that are not even mentioned) and the section needs to be a reasonable size, but you believe that parliamentary statements are among the most important details. Mellk (talk) 21:13, 10 December 2024 (UTC)Reply
I explained my reasons for removing this particular part. But, yes, your aspersions are not shocking. Tell me more about your concerns about conduct. Mellk (talk) 21:32, 10 December 2024 (UTC)Reply
I'd rather use this venue for the article, you still have not answered the question about your "recent addition" proposal, ignoring things don't make them go away. Should I take your silence as you backtracking then? TylerBurden (talk) 21:40, 10 December 2024 (UTC)Reply
That was sarcasm. But as you have already said, let somebody else weigh in. I have no interest in discussing this further with you. Mellk (talk) 21:46, 10 December 2024 (UTC)Reply
I agree with Mellk here; these declarations are entirely symbolic and have little real meaning; additionally, something being WP:DUE or enduring information is not determined by how important a user thinks something is, but how much weight it is given by reliable sources; and thus far evidence that these resolutions (and as Mellk said, just government statements, not events of the war itself) are due in the top-level article has not been given. Having around a third to a half of the text on the invasion about solely reactions to it and the following events is far too much, and the content in question here (from [2]) should definitely go unless other concise overviews of the invasion include the resolutions (which so far I have not seen). Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 22:22, 10 December 2024 (UTC)Reply
I was also going to suggest mentioning the ICC arrest warrants and Ukrainian incursion into the Kursk region instead, since I think these are very significant for obvious reasons. But I figured it would be a good idea to have a discussion about the content that currently exists before adding more. Mellk (talk) 22:26, 10 December 2024 (UTC)Reply
As long as we're not removing Russian war crimes, which no one other than you have made even the implication of doing, I would agree with this. TylerBurden (talk) 19:57, 11 December 2024 (UTC)Reply
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There is this sentence: "Russia, as one of the world's only three countries bordering three oceans...", but the hyperlink under "bordering three oceans" leads to a chart that states there are only two countries which definitely border three oceans (Russia and Canada) and up to four more that might border three depending on how you divide the oceans.
Or just "Russia borders three oceans." Why does it matter if Canada, US, or anyone else also border three oceans, it's irrelevant to this page. Also, the next sentence mentions Russia's many links to many seas, but doesn't actually list any seas at all. 100.2.216.242 (talk) 04:50, 11 December 2024 (UTC)Reply
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Not done: The claims in the article about being a dictatorship are backed up with sources. A change like this needs both reliable sources and consensus. — BerryForPerpetuity (talk) 13:28, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
Already done by another editor. DrOrinScrivello (talk) 16:47, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
