Talk:Positions (album)

Inclusion of Covid in the lead

For a long time, the article has had the phrase "Recorded during the COVID-19 pandemic" in the lead. This is in the article and is significant because it led Grande to recording the article at home etc. Despite being present for a long time, someone has repeatedly removed it for the following reasons:

• "Information not relevant enough for the opening paragraph"
• "A historical event that had absolutely nothing to do with the content of the album and was a small factor in its background does not belong in the opening paragraph. Sorry."
• "Once again, if the album’s contents made any reference to this tangentially related historical event, perhaps it would be worth mentioning in the opening paragraph. It was also recorded during the Beirut explosion. Shall we mention that as well? No. It is not relevant enough to be included in the opening paragraph, period."

As the same user keeps reverting and is clearly disagrees with the long-standing position that the information was included, interested in others thoughts. Should the information have been included? Is it noteworthy for the lead? ≫ Lil-Unique1 -{ Talk }- 09:15, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

I think the other editor has a point, to be honest. There's no mention anywhere in the main body of text about the album being recorded at home... in fact, the information in the infobox would suggest that other professional studios were involved, as were a variety of producers. Admittedly, I spent the pandemic period in a country somewhat removed from the major music markets, so I may have missed this news, but I don't recall this album being talked about as a one-person, recorded-at-home project in the same way as, for example, McCartney III was. So I wonder just how significant this really is to the album's development. Richard3120 (talk) 09:35, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

I think that's where I fall too. I've mentioned COVID lockdowns in plenty of articles I've written, but it's usually because of how it affected things. For example, I can think of a few albums that only exist because lockdowns cancelled all touring and they had nothing to do but write/record music. Or, as mentioned with McCartney, it caused a complete reworking of how things were written/recorded. If something like that can be found, I support inclusion. If not, then I see no problem with removing. Sergecross73 msg me 15:21, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

I have no objection to its inclusion in general, but it just doesn't seem particularly relevant to this album. Doctorhawkes (talk) 10:13, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

• The album was at least partially recorded at Grande's homes [1]. -- Vaulter 15:40, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
• ^ That was my perspective too.≫ Lil-Unique1 -{ Talk }- 16:13, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

I can't tell if you're replying to me or not, but I'd just like to clarify that I don't really have a position on whether or not the pandemic is mentioned in the lead at this point. But the article should mention (in the body) that it was partially recorded at home. -- Vaulter 16:35, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

In other parts of the article there are quotations including "In the same interview, however, Grande stated that she would not release an album during the COVID-19 pandemic lockdown" and "Calling it a product of pandemic fatigue" (from a Slant Magazine review). I think those at least establish some level of relevance. This WSJ article is an interview with Tommy Brown which gets into some details of the recording process including mention of the pandemic's effect. It's not much and might still be a stretch to including pandemic mention in the lead, but it's still something. QuietHere (talk) 18:30, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

• 'Comment only.' Back in the 80s I was discussing a successful boy band with their engineer. I made the comment, bet they don't play their own instruments, to which he replied they are sent home with a mini-disk recorder and told to keep trying until they get it right. Today we are in the digital age, there is little or no need to go to the studio providing you have somewhere to record audio cleanly. Now in the digital age, most song recordings are done in various places, let alone albums, the place it is recorded becomes less and less important, while the contributors become more important. How many chart songs have backing tracks recorded in Sweden with vocals added in the US? If Grande says it's Covid related and you guys want to include that info, fine, but in all probability she recorded the previous and the next album partially at home because she's more comfortable there. --Richhoncho (talk) 11:38, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

  Writing a song and recording it are two very different processes though. If you look at the Tommy Brown interview I linked above you'll see him describing the former and he certainly doesn't make it sound so simple. What you're saying is very apples-to-oranges if you ask me. QuietHere (talk) 06:55, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

Edit request

Please add the hatnote

{{about|the 2020 Ariana Grande album|the 2015 Gang of Youths album|The Positions}}

This article is about the 2020 Ariana Grande album. For the 2015 Gang of Youths album, see The Positions.

-- 65.92.246.191 (talk) 04:54, 26 November 2022 (UTC)

 Done ಮಲ್ನಾಡಾಚ್ ಕೊಂಕ್ಣೊ (talk) 11:13, 26 November 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 December 2023

In the single and track list, all letters composed to small alphabets. For example, it's not a POV, but it's pov. please fix these type errors. Arismauve (talk) 05:38, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia does not imitate the style used on other sites; the use of upper and lower case letters is standardized on all pages. "Exceptions are not made to mimic logo/cover stylization, even if such mimicry is common in the music press." (MOS:MUSICCAPS) Blueberry72 (talk) 10:46, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 January 2024

Previous edit made a mistake by decapitalizing “The” to “the” in The Weeknd’s name mention in music and lyrics Asanalib (talk) 07:55, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

 Not done per MOS:THENICKNAME. The is not capitalised per proper English. >> Lil-unique1 (talk) — 14:53, 16 January 2024 (UTC)