Talk:Palm Sunday

Some Protestants?

Does anyone have a source to which protestant denominations don't observe Palm Sunday?

Lutheranism observes it.

"Which don't" is a rather large question, as there are god-knows-how many denominatons. Certainly when I was in Assembly of God, they didn't. The Baptists probably don't either. But when I was with the Presbyterians, they did. That seems to be a sort of standard breakdown: evangelicals don't pay attention to the liturgical calendar (save Christmas and Easter) whereas mainline Protestants do. Carlo 20:26, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

So then it should be changed to "most Protestants"??N03xit (talk) 07:43, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

Misleading

The article says that the Gospel of John states that Jesus "found a colt wandering." It does not. Even the literal translation states that Jesus "having found the colt of a donkey did sit upon it." This does not conflict with the Synoptics which state that a donkey colt was brought to Jesus, except for Matthew which states that a donkey colt with it's mother was brought to Jesus. There is no conflict though the article tries to create one. 63.125.67.211 16:54, 28 March 2007 (UTC)Superhero63.125.67.211 16:54, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Timing

timming is every thing , as it seems to be the key to getting the timming correct [after all jesus dying for our sins is the big one as far as christian belief goes ] it must be more important to get all the timmings correct say when we die god says why do you think you are saved? the natural response is when what day ,then i think the logical reply would be the day before his people commemerate exodus ,lets be honest and say his people have reason to get the exodus day right [as we all do ] thus we need to be precice in all the assosiated timmings , how would it be if the day deemed to be his birth day were changed at whim to suit the palm sunday or the moon timming ,the jehovah witness leaflet is saying he died 2 april [after sun down] yet reading your article it says he dies on friday? am i grieving or shouting haliluya ,timming is every thing , jesus must be looking down saying they [my divided churches ] cant even get my death right ,is christ ruling a divided house can timming give to ceaser or christ that which is [must be the key] im told he died 1974 years ago to day ,if he did why is this not written and held sacred , timming allows us to unite across time to all be one for the one saviour of man [who did or didnt die for us on this day] or are the witness decieved? it sure seems no one cares if he did or didnt ,but please wiki pedia give to christ [restore that of christ dying for us ] in its proper time?

Acting the prophet

There is some exidence that in Pre-Reformation England there was a kind of "folk play" in which people were paid by the church to act the role of "The Prophet" on Palm Sunday. Please refer to the the paragraph in this page: http://www.catholicculture.org/library/view.cfm?recnum=3690, under the heading "The Prophet". I would add it myself, but there are many vested interests on this page, so I respecfully bow out. Ogg 14:03, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

There is an illustration, a poem, and more besides, relating to the custom, on this page: http://www.uab.edu/english/hone/etexts/edb/day-pages/086-march27.html Ogg 14:11, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

The flowers day

• http://sofiaecho.com/print.php?storyid=706223 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.100.42.44 (talk) 18:35, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

On the Sunday before Easter, known as Tsvetnitsa (Palm Sunday) it is allowed for the faithful to eat fish. In villages where such observances remain possible, the day is traditionally celebrated with young girls weaving crowns from willow branches, which they throw into a stream, where further down boys are waiting.

In Sofia and other larger cities, churches open their doors early in the morning on Palm Sunday and willow branches are distributed. The symbolism of Palm Sunday can easily be linked not just to the resurrection of Jesus, but to that of all of nature.

In Bulgaria, Palm Sunday is often referred to as Vrubnitsa, as a symbol of nature’s resurrection. Vrubnitsa marks the start of Holy Week, which precedes the great festival of the Resurrection on Easter Sunday, and which consequently is used to commemorate Jesus’s Passion, and the events that immediately led up to it.

Vrubnitsa, which in translation could be termed Flower Day is one of the biggest name days as there are a lot of Bulgarian names derived from flowers, for example: Violeta, Tsvetelina, Lillia, Yavor, Yassen, Roza, Iglika, Latinka, Temenuga, Karamfila, Zdravko, Kameila. Hence the flowers given as Name Day gifts. The branches, traditionally willow, are distributed by churches and are carried, or worn as crowns by girls and women. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.100.42.44 (talk) 18:35, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

what are palm

What are palm for and what dose it mean. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.251.32.254 (talk) 02:21, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Read the article. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 02:22, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Jack-'o'-Lent

There doesn't seem to be any mention of Jack-'o'-Lent. This was a pretty popular tradition in Tudor-Staurt England so it probably should be included and linked.... Will get on to it now I guessN03xit (talk) 07:46, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

in the days before his Passion.

This only true for the narrative in Matthew, Mark and Luke. In John's Gospel the event takes place on Jesus' 2nd visit to Jerusalem, the passion takes place on his third visit. --Saint-Louis (talk) 00:28, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

OTD

Per the rules at WP:OTD, Palm Sunday will have to be omitted from Wikipedia:Selected anniversaries/April 17 if these maintenance tags are still there. There are six weeks to go, so hopefully that should give editors enough time to add more references. howcheng {chat} 18:03, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

Day of week

This section is highly POV. I mean no disrespect to believers, but it should probably reference "Jesus" rather than "the Messiah," and "God" rather than "the Creator." PurpleChez (talk) 16:55, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Useful additional piece of information for searchers of Palm Sunday

I searched Palm Sunday to find two pieces of information: Where did it take place? That was answered. Jerusalem. For what event did masses flock to Jerusalem every year at this time? No answer. (?) I don't think one sentence stating the reason thousands of travelers congregated in Jerusalem at this time annually would be off topic.--Mykstor (talk) 14:52, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

Well, they obviously came to Jerusalem at this time to fulfill the commandment to be seen there on Passover. But the holiday on which they congregated in Jerusalem that also included celebrations with palm fronds was six months later, at Succot. Pedantrician (talk) 23:38, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

As a religious Jew instead of a Christian, and a long-time resident of Jerusalem and its suburbs, I find this even more confusing, because, yes, crowds (used to) come to Jerusalem for both the pilgrimage festivals of Passover and Sukkoth (Tabernacles,) and only on the latter do palm branches play a part, but.... I just looked at nearly a dozen versions of the Matthew citation in four different languages and in every one of them it says that the people cut down branches from trees, (Matthew 21:8) without a single mention of a palm (or any other specification of the kind of tree)! And it happens that palm trees are not the native trees of this mountainous part of the country, preferring the warmer, moister climates of places like Jericho, Beit She'an, or Ashkelon. For the Sukkot holiday, Jerusalemites who want to use real green, freshly harvested palm fronds have to import them every fall from the aforementioned places. The terraced hills of Jerusalem are better suited to grapes and olives and carob trees, which grow here in abundance with hardly any human intervention. Modern Jerusalem's palm trees, by contrast, die unless they are watered and cared for regularly. So this tradition which assumes that any place in Israel has palm trees, and that they are the "branches of trees" most likely to have been cut down as mentioned in the text, is probably dead wrong. --Eliyahu S ^Talk 23:04, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

Okay, John 12:12-13 specifies palms, but it doesn't say that they laid them on the ground as Matthew does. And if they were holding them, and saying the "Hosannas" mentioned in both places, then this is straight out of the Hallel liturgy of Sukkoth, when Jews parade in a procession waving their lulav palm branches and reciting the quoted passages. On Passover the Hallel is also recited, but without holding a lulav as is done on Sukkoth. The palm branches make it the autumn pilgrim festival, as opposed to the spring, and then everything else in the calendar breaks down, and Easter would need to be celebrated in October! --Eliyahu S ^Talk 23:29, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

An alternative explanation to this would be that the climate has changed in the last 2000 years such that the world is now colder that is was in the first century. Palm trees used to grow well in Jerusalem then but it is too cold for them now. Murray Peterson (talk) 06:31, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

sad 2600:6C50:6300:63C5:6449:D4BB:D2E0:1374 (talk) 14:18, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

Image Caption

The caption on the 1654 image of the Palm Sunday procession in Moscow can't possibly read "Abrieß der masochistischen Prozession am Palmsontag"--the word "masochistisch" wasn't coined until the late 19th century, after Leopold von Sacher-Masoch. Was that an honest error, or somebody's idea of a joke? Looking more closely at the image, it appears that the handwritten caption is "Abrieß der Muscowitischen Prozession am Palmsontag," which makes a lot more sense given the context--"Sketch of the Muscovite Procession on Palm Sunday." 206.208.105.129 (talk) 19:37, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for mentioning this. However, the word "Abrieß" (and its spelling) is rather old and has fallen into desuetude, in this context it simply meant delineation, schematic picture. I changed the caption accordingly.--Medusahead (talk) 08:26, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

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Are colt and donkey the same animals? On looking up the meaning of colt on Wikipedia itself, I found that it is a horse which is 4 years old or younger. Why is the information contradictory then?

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