Talk:New World (video game)

Characterization of zombies as native american analogue

The citation for that part of the article comes from a pretty obviously slanted source and I think describing the Corrupted as previous settlers, as Amazon does in its official material, is more factually accurate. -- nathanielhm 2020-02-05 6:40 am utc

what do you mean by “slanted”? It’s a legit source. --2A00:23C6:CC00:A00:A19B:6BB6:DA5:20FC (talk) 22:05, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

A case of tautology

Could the case of tautology be corrected? Currently, the release date delay to 2021 is being mentioned twice. (Although I wouldn't want to see a second of the references removed.)--Adûnâi (talk) 10:14, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

Fixed. -- ferret (talk) 12:15, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

Edit War

@2600:8800:FF0E:1200:C5B0:E12C:7CB0:27E4: It fails WP:VGSCOPE #3 and #7. Flalf^Talk 15:37, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

there are no "avoid explaining button combinations or cheat codes"--2600:8800:FF0E:1200:C5B0:E12C:7CB0:27E4 (talk) 15:41, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

there are no "Specific point values, achievements and trophies, time-limits, levels (including lists of stadia/sport venues), character moves, character weight classes, unlockable characters, vehicles"--2600:8800:FF0E:1200:C5B0:E12C:7CB0:27E4 (talk) 15:41, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

I have gone ahead and removed the list of skills. However, most of the new introductions are not WP:GAMECRUFT as they are discussing basic gameplay facts only. OceanHok (talk) 15:42, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Also the plot section needs to be removed entirely, it's done more like a gameplay guide than a plot overview. The other nitpick I have is you don't need to put parenthesis after a blue link (such as PVE, HOV, etc.) Flalf^Talk 15:45, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

I'll bring in a third party for opinion. Flalf^Talk 15:47, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Dude, i have no idea what you are saying - you say "nitpick" and yet you go ahead and erase 2300 bytes worth of work with a single keystroke and Absolutely, no explanation!--2600:8800:FF0E:1200:C5B0:E12C:7CB0:27E4 (talk) 15:48, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

The 'nitpick' was me trying to give advice for future editing, The revert was because your edits weren't that constructive! Especially for an unreleased game! Flalf^Talk 15:51, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

@2600:8800:FF0E:1200:C5B0:E12C:7CB0:27E4: Hey friend! Please read the edit summaries as to why I have reverted your work so you don't start causing edit wars. Flalf^Talk 17:44, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

I think you have not edited too many MMO's - the PURPOSE of the game is these skills - look at the write up for World of Warcraft - quote "such as tailoring, blacksmithing or jewelcrafting or on gathering from resource nodes, such as skinning or mining. Characters can learn all three secondary skills: archeology, cooking, and fishing." I think you should go over to World of Warcraft's wikipage and attempt to remove those skills from the write up - what you will get is an instant call for an administrator and a statement that you are vandalizing the page.--2600:8800:FF0E:1200:C5B0:E12C:7CB0:27E4 (talk) 17:47, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

Please before making future edits review MOS:VG. Accusing me of vandalism is completely incorrect, and they can check the revision history to see the validity of my edits. Flalf^Talk 17:52, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

No, large deletions of a wiki article with a single keystroke is EXACTLY the definition of vandalism--2600:8800:FF0E:1200:C5B0:E12C:7CB0:27E4 (talk) 17:54, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

Deleting things that were written poorly and needed to be rewritten is not vandalism. Contact an admin for all I care I'm just trying to follow policy as best as I can. Flalf^Talk 18:02, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

you say "written poorly" I say you have clearly never edited the page for an MMO and I have given you a way to test you theory = go to WOW page and try to attempt such deletions there - good luck with the outcome of that--2600:8800:FF0E:1200:C5B0:E12C:7CB0:27E4 (talk) 18:05, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

There's no need to do such deletions there, it's mostly well written. I'm doing this because the plot section isn't written as it should be, it's like an early game review. I've notified ARV, I just want to edit normally. Flalf^Talk 18:07, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

"it's mostly well written", good so go over there and attempt to rewrite some of the "bad written" you are implying and see how fast you get an admin and ban for vandalism there--2600:8800:FF0E:1200:C5B0:E12C:7CB0:27E4 (talk) 18:11, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

I've chucked page protection on this, please come to a suitable resolution here and not continue an edit war. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:17, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

A list of specific skills is WP:GAMECRUFT#7 because you are presenting it as a list. If you look at the way how World of Warcraft presents the information and how you present the information, you will probably notice why your way isn't ideal. Take "Gathering" ("Logging", "Mining", "Harvesting", and "Tracking and Skinning") as an example. This is GAMECRUFT. But if you turn it to players can gather resources in the game, such as log, metals, crops, and animal parts., that's much better because it is no longer a list.

The plot section is for the game's story. The current version is not about the game's story and therefore, should be removed. IP editor needs to assume good faith instead of accusing others of vandalism. Using World of Warcraft is a case of WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS and asking other editors to remove information there just to prove a point is considered to be inappropriate. OceanHok (talk) 12:48, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

quote, "log, metals, crops, and animal parts" - yeah, I dont remember that being anywhere in the game = WP:Synthesis - but go ahead and rewrite it again - now with that synthesis - you are guaranteed for me to revert your synthesis additions--2600:8800:FF0E:1200:C5B0:E12C:7CB0:27E4 (talk) 18:11, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

further, no where in WP:GAMECRUFT do i see being forbidden a list of skills in an MMO - thats right cause that would be rediculous since the point of an MMO is to build those very same skills - thus by your removal that would also be = wp:synthesis. Section 7 of the wiki rule is "Lists of gameplay items" most games have thousands of items in them and yes such mondane items being complied into a list is useless as part of an encyclopedia but yet has nothing to do with a list of the BASIC SKILLS of a game--2600:8800:FF0E:1200:C5B0:E12C:7CB0:27E4 (talk) 18:15, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

"Using World of Warcraft is a case of WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS" = oh yeah right since that game being the best example of what is the accepted norms for wiki is definitely out of bounds - again saying you dont need to follow the paradigm example of how to write a MMO again = wp:synthesis --2600:8800:FF0E:1200:C5B0:E12C:7CB0:27E4 (talk) 18:19, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

as for "The plot section is for the game's story." again you played it right? so you know the plot better than me right?(what little there is at this point in a new game only in Beta-testing) oh, wait you mean you have no idea what the plot actually is and yet you think you can discern and write that same said plot = again wp:synthesis--2600:8800:FF0E:1200:C5B0:E12C:7CB0:27E4 (talk) 18:24, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

essentially, I have no right to imagine some better plot than the developers have already given - you seem to think its your business on wiki to let your imaginings guide a plot section of the article--2600:8800:FF0E:1200:C5B0:E12C:7CB0:27E4 (talk) 23:14, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

A little note - WP:SYNTHESIS doesn't mean what you think it means, it's when you make a statement and to source it you use information from two separate sources to make inferences. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:36, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

IP editor, it is apparent that you didn't actually read what I write. I was trying to show you the way to actually write content in Wikipedia. I merely rephrase what you have written. If you are presenting it as a list (aka just listing the names of the skills), then that's problematic. WP:GAMECRUFT covers all video game, including MMO. If you want to argue that MMO should be treated as an exception, that you need to go there to start a discussion to argue why MMOs should be treated differently. Also, I am not suggesting that you to remove all the basic skills. I am suggesting you to rephrase them into meaningful content. If I rephrase it wrong, then the problem is with how poorly you have presented it.

If there is no better information about the story, then don't add anything to it until the game is released. A plot refers to the fictional narrative (the game's story), not the journey of the player. The player entering or leaving the starting zone is not story. Since you love to tout World of Warcraft around as if it is the gold standard (which isn't true since it is a delisted good article), maybe you should actually read the article. Compare what you have written with that article's plot section, and you will see what's wrong. OceanHok (talk) 12:52, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

Per this discussion I’ve removed the plot again, if you aren’t happy with this please leave your justification below. Flalf^Talk 22:37, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

again revert vandalism--2600:8800:FF0E:1200:C5B0:E12C:7CB0:27E4 (talk) 08:01, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

Removing content is not vandalism. Full rationale is given for the removal of the section, and the justification makes sense. OceanHok (talk) 10:04, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

@2600:8800:FF0E:1200:C5B0:E12C:7CB0:27E4: Please stop adding the plot section, as what you have written isn't the plot. As OceanHok said 'a plot is the fictional narrative (the game's story), not the journey of the player.' Please respect the discussion we had before. Flalf^Talk 13:42, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

@Flalf and OceanHok: The IP will not be replying as I've range blocked them for 2 years. Their previous 1 year block ended in August. This is their 9th block for disruption and edit warring. -- ferret (talk) 14:27, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Alrighty! Thanks Ferret! Flalf^Talk 14:34, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Original game was a sandbox MMORPG

The article cites 2021 as the initial closed beta but this is not true. The game had several closed beta runs prior to 2020 when the game was a sandbox MMORPG. 67.169.166.38 (talk) 19:48, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Grammatically Incoherent Sentences

I'm just trying to get some consensus here before changing things but this article seems to be one of the most confusingly written articles I've come across in a long time. There is so much here that just seems to either not be coherent or seems to be written by someone with a lifelong love affair with commas. 'Set in the mid-seventeenth century, players colonize the lost fantasy land of Aeternum, modeled after the Americas, where everyone to travel to which becomes immortal.[7]' - This is in the first paragraph and no only are there three commas used in two different styles the last clause of this sentence I had to read four times before I worked out where the intonation should be, I'm all for information density but surely readability has to play a part here.

Also In this section 'The gameplay involves no auto-locked targeting attacks and, therefore, a steady hand at aiming is required. With each level, the hostile mobs are programmed with increasingly complex and strong sequences of attacking behavior skill sets that will require the player to counter using their mana, stamina, and health with timed attacks, dodges, weapon blocks, retreats, or crawling stealth. The weapon skill tree choices are currently for bow, hammer, hatchet, great axe, fire staff, life staff, musket, blunderbuss,[13] spear,[14] sword/shield, ice gauntlet, void gauntlet, flail, and great sword.[15]' the line "therefore, a steady hand at aiming is required." seems like something that might appear in the opening of a walkthrough guide not a wiki article. I just think large parts of this article need to be rewritten entirely. I don't play this game enough to just go and completely rewrite its wiki article on a whim so I just wanna get some idea of if my issues with the article are founded or not? QueenAfyn (talk) 03:57, 21 December 2024 (UTC)