Talk:Morality and religion

Reference chain problem

I tried to track down the referenced article "Religion's Effects On Crime Rates", cited as being by Edgar Saint George. The citation gives only a broken weblink. The actual reference that the cited, no-longer existing web article summarized is an article "Cross-National Correlations of Quantifiable Societal Health with Popular Religiosity and Secularism in the Prosperous Democracies: A First Look" by Gregory S. Paul in the Journal of Religion and Society of the Creighton university of Omaha, Nebraska: http://moses.creighton.edu/jrs/2005/2005-11.pdf. Philgoetz (talk) 23:43, 30 May 2016 (UTC)

Morals, values, and ethics

I changed the word "moral" to "value" or "ethics" in some cases throughout the article. Various commentators, including religious ones, separate the idea of religion and morality. Thus, the use of a term like "religious morals" (or even "secular morals" for that matter) is essentially begging the question. As a result, the use of terms that don't make an assertion through their very use seems indicated.

This does not, of course, preclude the inclusion of passages from commentators using such terms if they are notable and relevant. In fact, a few such statements exist in the article now. --Airborne84 (talk) 17:14, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

Neutrality

I've gone through the article a number of times and I feel that the "positive-correlation" side has less material than the "negative-correlation" side despite the beginning of the article stating that the relationship is "complex" and difficult to understand. If there is more material to support that morality negatively impacts religion, then I feel that the beginning of the article should reflect that stance. Otherwise, I would suggest complimenting the "criticism" section with support for the contrary.

I may be pointing this out partially out of bias since I would say I am more "pro-positive correlation," but I find no mention of the counterargument for justification of religious text to commit crimes. There is no mention of strict or loose interpretations of said text. For example, the article claims that Hitler used Christianity as a justification to persecute the Jews, but I am certain there is the existence of credible sources that argue that Hitler was merely capitalizing on his self-identified faith and was really killing Jews primarily for other reasons. There is no mention of the possible relationship between humanitarianism and religion as noted in this study I found: http://www.humanitarianforum.org/data/files/resources/752/en/Geneva-Review-30.pdf

An example I wish to use to underscore this is the period of Spanish Colonization of the Americas. Not everyone knows that Christopher Columbus was a conqueror that abused religion as a justification for the pillaging and murder of millions of indigenous people, but fewer people recognize the efforts of Bartolome de las Casas, a man who literally risked his life several times to promote the rights of the indigenous people and bring awareness to the atrocities Spanish colonialists were committing. Many of his actions were motivated by religious reasons and they were arguably more authentic than whatever justification Columbus used. As such, I think more examples of humanitarian efforts inspired by religion should be added to the article.

I think it would be best to have the neutrality of this article in dispute. MikamiLovesDeleting (talk) 01:31, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

This is not objective article, it is biased and anti-religious. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.143.110.83 (talk) 10:17, 22 October 2013 (UTC) This seems less like a discussion about morality in religion and more like an anti-religious tirade. 54.166.166.254 (talk) 23:59, 16 November 2014 (UTC)

Unsourced material in the lede

I removed the below passages from the lede. They seem to be unsourced. They also appear to engage in a discussion of what morality is. That may stray a bit too far from what is needed since this article can simply point to other articles that discuss this—with sources.

"Moral compass" is a metaphor or action for the direction one is compelled to take based on the ability to justify one's actions based on reasoning. Morality is an active process that requires critical thinking and consideration whereas religions expect adherence to religious codes, generalized and absolute rules that must not be broken or must be actively performed or carried out, depending on the religion and its rules. The distinction between morality as a verb and morality as a noun, is paramount in understanding what morality is, or simply put, how one ought to live.

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Religious and moral education

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