Talk:Middlesbrough

History of Middlesbrough

I think History of Middlesbrough should have its own article with Middlesbrough during World War II merged into it or expanded. — edited Chocolateediter (talk) 22:18, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

Help, The bridge is sinking.

As noted by the Mayor the other day, and reported by the BBC here, the bridge is sinking. Should it be noted here? - Roxy the English speaking dog 16:23, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

Short answer from me, pending more thought: yes. I know we are Not News and everything but this sounds serious and likely to take some time to resolve, so I'd have thought it was easily worth mentioning. Cheers DBaK (talk) 18:49, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

Roxy the dog – do you want to go ahead and add it, or are you planning to wait for more comment, or you'd prefer someone else to edit it in?? Cheers DBaK (talk) 19:36, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

I confess that my skills lie in being sarcastic and biting knees, rather than editorial contributions, and I have no idea at all about referencing. I'd add something like

"since (say)2015 the bridge has been closed for long periods of time due to safety concerns. In August 2022, the Mayor announced that one of the legs is sinking, and costs to repair have been escalating" with the BBC refs as follows -

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tees-62437240

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tees-55392894

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tees-33668679

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tees-55421779

The first of those links is the sinking one.

I would remove the sentences "The bridge remains in daily use. It is one of only two left in working order in Britain with the other being in Newport, Wales." and replace with the above suggestion, or some variation on it. -Roxy the English speaking dog 21:39, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

 DoneThanks so much for that, and apologies for the slow reply. I've had a go at something along the lines you suggest – what d'you think? Cheers DBaK (talk) 12:07, 16 August 2022 (UTC)

Pinging @Roxy the dog cos I am not sure if the Quick Reply feature does so automagically or do I have to feed it marshmallows or what?? DBaK (talk) 12:09, 16 August 2022 (UTC)

Ooopsy, missed this User:DBaK, sorry. - Roxy the dog 21:08, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

No worries @Roxy the dog, cheers DBaK (talk) 21:52, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Football rugby heading

This has been changed back from "Football codes", a term which is hardly ever used. Devokewater 21:35, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

It is used on the football article in the 1st paragraph. It groups them together without anybody thinking about the specific code they associate with the word football. Chocolateediter (talk) 11:57, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

If you want call it Association and rugby football or move rugby to other. Chocolateediter (talk) 11:58, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

Football Rugby Union are the most practical headings. Devokewater 12:06, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

Areas of Middlesbrough...

Most of the places listed especially South Bank, Greater Eston, Teesville etc are not under Middlesbrough and aren't classed as areas of Middlesbrough. A subdivision is different from urban area. I get some cross the boundaries but the residents pay their tax and vote under Redcar and Cleveland. Not Middlesbrough or Stockton on Tees.

@Roxy the dog:, @Crouch, Swale:, @Keith D:, @Chocolateediter:. Would you like to chime in on this discussion and give your thoughts?

DragonofBatley (talk) 19:22, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

@Eopsid: and @Devokewater:. DragonofBatley (talk) 19:23, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

I'd argue using areas not under a borough. It's equivalent to adding Eccles and Swinton as areas of Salford when they are towns and Salford is more than just the one settlement. Or adding Killamarsh as an area of Sheffield when it's under a different county and district. Redcar can't be muddled in with Middlesbrough. Redcar and it's borough are distinct from Middlesbrough with places like Saltburn by Sea Guisborough Greater Eston etc... South Bank and Teesville aren't areas of Middlesbrough. They are areas of Redcar. Just because they are contiguous doesn't make them areas of that town. Are we gonna start saying Belper is an area of Derby or Beeston is an area of Nottingham? DragonofBatley (talk) 19:28, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

I'd use the BUASD for "Middlesbrough" as there is already Teesside BUA. Just remember that some settlements like Ipswich may include places outside the district/unparished area such as Pinewood. Crouch, Swale (talk) 20:46, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

I understand that Crouch, Swale. I just think we need to be careful using areas which are not part of somewhere unless they are directly adjacent to the town or city centres. DragonofBatley (talk) 20:58, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

I apologise for being a bit abrupt. I dont normally edit in friendly areas of the project! I will go with whatever consensus emerges.

I kinda thought that the removal of all those bits of Boro to be a bit much to bear especially as we have a lovely pic of Ormesby Hall in amongst all this. I am not familiar with any policy that applies. - Roxy the dog 21:23, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Roxy I'm not against keeping them but that should only apply to areas which are either in Middlesbrough or are partly in it (like a shared ward). But places like South Bank, Teesville, Eston and especially most of the areas around Redcar are not part of Middlesbrough. A subdivision is different to an urban area. But locals in most of those areas are under Redcar council not Middlesbrough council. And to call them areas of the town. Is misleading unless they are shared between both councils DragonofBatley (talk) 21:48, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

I think anywhere outside the borough of Middlesbrough is outside of the scope of this article. They may be part of Middlesbrough's urban area but they arent in the city proper. And this article is about the latter. Eopsid (talk) 00:35, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

@Eopsid:, I agree with you on that DragonofBatley (talk) 08:06, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

The main scope would be the town/BUASD of Middlesbrough and the unparished area since the borough and Teesside BUA have separate articles but facts can still be mentioned here if appropriate for the article and brief. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:04, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

This was discussed previously: the BUASD is specifically not Middlesbrough the town or borough. The BUASD is just a way of categorising a built-up-area for analytical purposes rather than a definition of a town (which is why they describe built up areas or urban areas as having the "features of" rather than saying "these urban areas are towns"). There's various reasons why we shouldn't be conflating these sort of ONS statistical regions with actual geographical entities - not least that they change the methodology such as 5. Comparisons with 2001 Census: Making comparisons between the 2011 built-up areas and 2001 urban areas is problematic for a number of reasons. Firstly, the methodology used to generate the areas has changed. Secondly, where there were multiple urban areas in 2001 there may only be one built-up area in 2011. In 2001, for instance, Southampton, Portsmouth and Locks Heath/Bursledon/Whiteley were three distinct urban areas. In 2011, however, they form a single built-up area called South Hampshire. Using the constituent output areas for the 2011 built-up areas, data from the 2001 Census can be assessed for these areas, albeit some of these areas were not classed as urban in 2001. It should also be noted that there were changes to some of the output areas between 2001 and 2011. but that the methodology explicitly excludes areas traditionally associated with a town because of an algorithm and low population density or ignoring commercial or industrial space and so on. This article should be specifically about the "Town", which as far as I can tell from any reliable source is specifically the council area. Koncorde (talk) 14:13, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

Hello all. Long time reader of articles but never really contributed much. I have a query if someone could answer. I noticed in the population table it shows a built up area pop of roughly 148,000. How has this figure been calculated? I thought the BUA was Teesside with around 390,000? I followed the link of the reference but it only describes the methodology behind BUAs. Also looking further on the ONS site it appears to define "Major towns and Cities" by either the BUA or BUASDs? Im slightly confused. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Paulos84 (talk • contribs) 15:14, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

Intro

With recent edits from Mr8pink, the intro needs a new consensus as me and the editor are not seeing eye to eye. Chocolateediter (talk) 00:29, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

A big point I have is that the Brus content has been around for over a decade should it be moved elsewhere, stay or go. Some other points include the use of the Temenos and central library as opposed to the Riverside, the Temenos is not the best visibly while not a lot of people in Middlesbrough never mind the world know the library exists while the Riverside Stadium is known a lot more, I know a stadium can be rare in infobox but they are ultimately landmarks and embodiments of places. Personal bugbears of mine is overuse of the place’s name and over describing what things are like "the ceremonial county of" in the first sentence as it is in the infobox and described multiple times in the article you just need the simple "it is in" matching the short description. I think most editors (including me) can fall into over describing or especially for me dumbing thinks down too much. Chocolateediter (talk) 01:04, 28 May 2023 (UTC)