Talk:Men's T20 World Cup

Semi-protected edit request on 29 June 2024

Please include India with England and West Indies to be have won the ICC T20 World Cup more than once, thanks! Shikharwikipanwar (talk) 18:16, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

 Already done This is in the 3rd paragraph now. Jamedeus (talk) 21:56, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

Requested move 5 October 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) —Compassionate727 ^(T·C) 14:51, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

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• ICC Men's T20 World Cup → Men's T20 World Cup
• 2007 ICC World Twenty20 → 2007 World Twenty20
• 2009 ICC World Twenty20 → 2009 World Twenty20
• 2010 ICC World Twenty20 → 2010 World Twenty20
• 2012 ICC World Twenty20 → 2012 World Twenty20
• 2014 ICC World Twenty20 → 2014 World Twenty20
• 2016 ICC World Twenty20 → 2016 World Twenty20
• 2021 ICC Men's T20 World Cup → 2021 Men's T20 World Cup
• 2022 ICC Men's T20 World Cup → 2022 Men's T20 World Cup
• 2024 ICC Men's T20 World Cup → 2024 Men's T20 World Cup
• 2026 ICC Men's T20 World Cup → 2026 Men's T20 World Cup
• 2028 ICC Men's T20 World Cup → 2028 Men's T20 World Cup
• ICC Men's T20 World Cup Qualifier → Men's T20 World Cup Qualifier

– per WP:COMMONNAME and per the above RM discussion as well. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 15:35, 5 October 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. ❯❯❯ Raydann^(Talk) 11:45, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

• Note: If this RM goes through; all other related sub-pages, templates, categories, files etc. might as well be renamed. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 15:35, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

Note: WikiProject Cricket has been notified of this discussion. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 15:47, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support - although some sources include "ICC", it more often appears without it than not.[1] Per WP:COMMONNAME and WP:CONCISE, this seems a sensible move.  — Amakuru (talk) 12:42, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Support, in order to have it line up with the majority of reliable media coverage per WP:COMMONNAME. --WellThisIsTheReaper ^Grim 01:29, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose, as per WP:CONSISTENT. We have the FIFA World Cup (not Soccer/Football World Cup) and FIVB Volleyball Men's World Cup, for example, which make it immediately clear to the reader which governing body is responsible for the competition. (Edwin of Northumbria (talk) 09:25, 9 October 2024 (UTC))

FIFA is included because if it was "Football World Cup", American Football & Usual Football (Soccer) might get confused out. Also, Football is not included in their Official name either. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 10:53, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

There's already Cricket World Cup & Women's Cricket World Cup, which is what should be considered for WP:CONSISTENT. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 11:31, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Surely there should be consistency between, as well as within sports? As another example, there's the Men's FIH Hockey World Cup. I haven't looked at all sports, but in others the name of governing body is more naturally included in the article name, such as the World Aquatics Championships (organised by World Aquatics). "Football World Cup" wouldn't be that confusing a title because (as far as I'm aware) soccer is the only type of football to have a world cup!! However, "Soccer World Cup" would avoid this potential difficulty (which is why I wrote "Soccer/Football", not "Football/Soccer", or just "Football"). (Edwin of Northumbria (talk) 21:56, 9 October 2024 (UTC))

There is more than one sport known as 'hockey', which FIH acts to disambiguate. In contrast, cricket is the only sport that uses the phrase T20 (at least in event titles). Modest Genius ^talk 17:25, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

A further thought. Surely the name of the sport concerned should appear in the article title somewhere? There will be a lot of people out there who have no idea what "T20" refers to (with "ICC" in the mix, "Cricket" is at least represented by an initial). I would therefore be more inclined to support a change of name to Men's T20 Cricket World Cup etc. (Edwin of Northumbria (talk) 22:14, 9 October 2024 (UTC))

You make good points, but it is the T20 World Cup not the T20 Cricket World Cup. Personally I feel that retaining ICC (as part of the official name) would cover this. Bs1jac (talk) 08:08, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

ICC should stay for clarity's sake. Yeetmaster25 (talk) 16:23, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Relisting to get more inputs as this RM would impact a large number of pages. ❯❯❯ Raydann^(Talk) 11:45, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support. ICC is not necessary for disambiguation, and isn't included by most media (except the ICC itself). There's some merit in the suggestion above to include 'cricket' in the titles, but this proposal is still an improvement. Modest Genius ^talk 17:25, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

  ICC Men's T20 World Cup is the official name of the competition, as evidenced by the Event Logo and the ICC's (owner of the event) usage of the title. Removing 'ICC' from the event title would be incorrect, regardless of any discussion relating to succinctness, ambiguity or colloquial usage by media / fans. Therefore, the page should remain named ICC Men's T20 World Cup. 2A02:C7C:E18C:D800:E85B:8DDE:DC87:233F (talk) 10:36, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

  Wikipedia pages are titled based on WP:COMMONNAME and not WP:OFFICIALNAME. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 12:47, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

  (edit conflict) The official name is irrelevant, see WP:OFFICIAL. AS an example, the official name of the FA Cup is currently 'The Emirates Football Association Challenge Cup' but we don't use that as the article title, because it's not the WP:COMMONNAME. Modest Genius ^talk 12:50, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose - as per Edwin of Northumbria's response. - J man708 (talk) 06:47, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose: The sport or governing body should be in the title for consistency. Also per Northumbria. --Spekkios (talk) 20:06, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

• Comment: I have no strong opinions on whether to include ICC in the name or not. But, I do believe that a larger RM/RfC with all such sport events (including the FIVB example above) should be carried out to settle all this for once. I do agree that FIFA WC is incomparable, because FIFA WC is the COMMONNAME simply because a standalone "WC" could refer to multiple sport events. In case of T20 WC, there's no disambiguity in the first place. —CX Zoom[he/him] ^{(let's talk • {C•X})} 17:18, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support as per my comments on the women's articles, this is more concise and consistent with other ICC events. Having no consensus for this but support for the RM for the women's equivalent articles, which is a possible outcome at the moment, is ridiculous. And so moving these articles is the only way to achieve common sense and consistency. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:03, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

Oppose - The proposed name is too vague. 20/20 can refer to vision as well. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 00:23, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

There is no world cup for men in 20/20 vision. WP:CONCISE says the title only needs to be precise enough to identify it.  — Amakuru (talk) 21:31, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

• Comment: I closed the counterpart RM at Talk:Women's T20 World Cup 2 days ago, as moved. Sennecaster (Chat) 02:48, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support. The opposing consistency argument has been undermined by the outcome of Talk:Women's T20 World Cup#Requested move 5 October 2024. SilverLocust 💬 00:02, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

Support Per multiple aforementioned reasonings X (talk) 11:02, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support per the above, as these subjects are recognizable and commonly referenced in their most concise form. BD2412 T 01:27, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

  No Need to Remove the Title of ICC Men's T20 World Cup someone wants to request to simplify the Title, and the ICC is an International Organization that conducts cricket for international teams and players but without any title or name of the organization, we cannot recognize itself MokshitSai35 (talk) 05:00, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

  @MokshitSai35 Did you even read the above discussion? Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 08:01, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

  OK I have a doubt what is going on discussion by that way MokshitSai35 (talk) 13:10, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.