Talk:Megalopolis

Indonesia Megalopolis Should be Included

In the list of largest megalopolises the 'Northeast Megalopolis' is included (for example). This 'megalopolis' has 50 million inhabitants, with population density 360/km2. The island of Java has almost three times as many inhabitants on more or less the same area (1064/km2). I think it should be included then. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.79.12.164 (talk) 14:24, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Great Lakes Megalopolis Included Some Wrong Cities

Cincinnati is not in the Great Lakes Region. Nor is Montreal. Fact that Cincinnati is in Ohio does not therefore make it part of a Great Lakes megalopolis. It's linked with Kentucky and communities up and down Ohio River. And fact that Montreal is on the St Lawrence River does not therefore make it part of Great Lkes Region.

Cbmccarthy (talk) 16:09, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

Looking more closely Louisville and Kansas City are by no stretch part of any Great Lakes Region or Megalopolis. I am going to delete them.

Cbmccarthy (talk) 16:14, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

After making those deletions I noticed that Great Lakes Megaregion has a footnote saying these and certain other cities are sometimes included, sometimes not. At the very least there should be such footnote here. Great Lakes Region makes no mention of these at all.

Cbmccarthy (talk) 16:27, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

Check the sources to see whether they include these areas if they do put them back if not then leave it be. Eopsid (talk) 17:49, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

I don't see how Cincinnati can be part of the "large city" when it is disconnected by Census-designated rural areas (i.e. farms). The Northeast megalopolis is characterized as having an uninterrupted urban chain from DC to Boston... it truly is one contiguous city. The same cannot be said for the Great Lakes megalopolis if you include Cincinnati. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Theaveng (talk • contribs) 17:24, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

Omaha is about as much a "Great Lakes" city as it is part of the American Southwest. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.98.0.186 (talk) 21:32, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

The Great Lakes information comes from Great Lakes Megalopolis#/media/File:MapofEmergingUSMegaregions.png, which is a very inclusionist projection of future "megaregions". –dlthewave ☎ 04:30, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

Korean Peninsula

It is save to say Korean Peninsula will become ( Megalopolis). Population 90-110 Million Koreans. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Opinion4today (talk • contribs) 10:22, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

Edmonton inclusion

Pointing out that Edmonton Reaches St Albert, Sherwood Park, And a few hundred metres from city boundary of northeast Edmonton, Fort Saskatchewan — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gingeroscar (talk • contribs) 21:31, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

Oceania

Australia

Australia has three regions on the verge of being Megalopolis Regions

South East Queensland

From South of the border in the Tweed River region through the Gold Coast, Logan City, Brisbane City, Moreton Bay Region and as far as Noosa on the Sunshine Coast and potentially Gympie and west through Ipswich City the Darling Downs (Lockyer Valley) to the base of the Toowoomba range to Toowoomba City itself. (roughly 150 Kilometres radiating North, West and south from the Brisbane CBD) (as with every thing in the sunshine state, a banana shape with a half banana poking out the side).

Sydney

Sydney City, as with the South East Queensland, a roughly 150 klm band to the south (Woolongong) as far north as Newcastle and west to Lithgow and the Blue Mountains. (A capital T tilted 90degress clockwise bubble shape)

Melbourne

essentially starting in Sheparton which is slowly connecting down to Melbourne and the Mornington peninsula (more or less a ; shape)

South Coast The south coast region streches from Melbourne to Adelaide, and its the same size as the Northeast Megalopolis so I think it counts Asd 10:26, 27 August 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Asd123mwaura (talk • contribs)

New Zealand

There are two noticeable regions that are slowly encroaching on each-others boundaries with-in those regions. While their total populations count in single digit millions, their land ares is comparable with other centers on Australia's East Coast.

Auckland

Auckland already has a population in excess of 1 million and is slowly expanding mainly south. Starting roughly sixty kilometers to the north in Waiwera, Albany and the Henderson Valley and south of Auckland's CBD South Auckland / Papakura / Pukekohe as far as Glenbrook south as far as Pokeno and Mercer.

[to the north] of which point? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.89.83.107 (talk) 10:30, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

• At the same time a thin thread of ConUrbs will connect to Greater Hamilton. This satellite area will see Hamilton extend towards Morrinsville and Cambridge eventually linking the three together ( 75-100 years)
• A second satellite area will consist of Miranda with a band heading through Ngtea towards to Kopu at the base of the Coromandel Peninsular. (Estimate of link-ups 75-100 years) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Timelord2067 (talk • contribs) 02:36, 22 December 2018 (UTC)

Wellington

From Wellington City through the Lower and Upper Hutt - Coast areas around Plimerton and the Kapiti Coast, Foxton, Shannon, Bulls, Levin and Palmerston North will all eventually "link up" with a transport network / corridor already in place . (40 - 80 year range)

(80-120 year range) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.89.83.107 (talk) 10:42, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

however, with the lessened pace of immigration due to government policy, and the lesser size of the populations involved, the linking will take a much longer time to occur, unless there is a mass exodus to the region from major cities such as Auckland — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.89.83.107 (talk) 10:46, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

Christchurch to Dunedin

On the South Island the four main centers, Christchurch, Oamaru, Timaru and Dunedin will (over the decades / centuries?) continue to slowly extend towards each-other along State Highway One on the east coast. Through geography, Invercargill will remain separate.

Christchurch itself is already extending out towards the Pegasus Bay region and Ashburton to the south, but unless there is an unprecedented population explosion, then the above four regions will not truly be classed as one megalopolis.

• Timelord2067 (talk) 05:48, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
• Have updated population counts for South East Queensland and fixed placement error of Europe. Timelord2067 (talk) 04:07, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

Perth? Really?

I deleted the section on Perth. I could maybe, in 20 years or so, see Perth becoming a conurbanation as property prices rise and the transit system improves, but a megalopolis? Busselton has 20,000 people! Come on. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.112.160.209 (talk) 06:41, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

Green banana mis-match

The (unsourced) table entry incl. British and Northern/Central European cities yet the map's highlighted area is over Eastern Europe. -Oosh (talk) 05:27, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Now I look, the table entry is a copy-paste (error) of the Blue banana... with no source and clearly erroneous info. both it and the map will have to go. -Oosh (talk) 05:29, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Etymology

The whole part about why it is megalopolis and not megapolis needs to be cleaned up. The uncited part referencing the gender of polis is interesting, though it would imply the word megalepolis, whereas the part that cites freedictionary seems sketchy. Can anyone with access to OED find a reputable answer to this question? This site suggests that both are wrong and that it is a genitive construction, though that should be in english megaloupolis, but i think it still may be the truth. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Qowieury (talk • contribs) 05:31, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

por que os 2 pesos?nos países nordicos colocam megalopoles pequenas do tamanho de metropoles proto-regionais do brasil e quando chega na america do sul omitem mesmo vendo a foto de satelite os outros sistemas — Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.64.52.33 (talk) 11:18, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

Rio

I don't want to advocate too hard for this; I'm not very very knowledgeable on these matters. But the article puts two cut-off population sizes, one at 25 million and one at 10 million (the latter being the one quoted inline in Settlement hierarchy. Rio Metro is roughly 12 million; Greater Rio de Janeiro says 12,603,939 (est. 2011), and the Portuguese Wikipedia says 12 116 616 (est. 2014).
In comparison, the "Pacific Belt" of Colombia is included in this article at 9 million people. --189.125.124.5 (talk) 17:06, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

o rio é uma metropole não uma megalopole - megalopole seria o que vemos entre floripa e itajaí, goiania e df, jp e recife etc — Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.64.52.33 (talk) 11:16, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

a lista do brasil ta cheia de mentiras metropoles não são megalopoles só a de sp pode ser megalopole pois são varias metropoles estaduais a proto megalopole gaucha vai ate caxias na ba feira no saliente capitais costeiras e agreste no plato central df e go etc hileia é grande por isso é a unica zona com poucas chances o co é pouco habitado mas é menor e tem o df alimentando algo numa zona especifica fragmentada que era go — Preceding unsigned comment added by 177.82.157.248 (talk) 14:58, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

Example problems

In my opinion, many of the examples here do not fit the definition or at best different ones. For some countries, normal "metropolitan regions" are mentioned with barely over a million inhabitants. While "Mega" in theory means just that, we could do this for thousands of cities across the world. Then there are the European Bananas and STRINGs which do not really form a kind of unified region at all, e.g. Hamburg and Copenhagen are roughly 300km apart with mostly farmland and sea between them. Third, different layouts (tables/lists) make this harder to understand. I think a major clean up would be beneficial. --Ulkomaalainen (talk) 19:12, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

Organization

The whole list should be in one table. The name of the country/continent should be in a column. 68.2.235.85 (talk) 16:03, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

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Greater Copenhagen

This section should be removed, it's pure fiction and doesn't link to anything else than Copenhagen metropolitan area which has nothing to do with this since it doesn't involve Malmö, Helsingborg, Lung (the Swedish parts) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.255.74.175 (talk) 04:42, 19 November 2017 (UTC)

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The Greek word

"Megalopolis is a Western deformation of the Greek word"... "Because in Greek, πόλις is feminine, the correct term is megalopolis."

It's either correct or it isn't. Pick one. 2.24.117.46 (talk) 14:21, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

Somebody made a brainless edit some time after this version. Fixed. Staszek Lem (talk) 21:37, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

User Mikeanthony1965 "does not exist" deleted whole section.

User Mikeanthony1965 deleted a whole section https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Megalopolis&type=revision&diff=874022067&oldid=873910970 not sure if this was sabotage or personal opinion driving this revision.

Timelord2067 (talk) 05:20, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

Buenos Aires

The megalopolis should include the whole belt from La Plata to Rosario, sometimes referred to as "Platario". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 159.53.174.143 (talk) 14:34, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

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Major issues in South Asian section

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It seems many South asian cities which claim to be megalopolis may not qualify as one.
I have removed Karachi in this edit here which claimed to be megalopolis based around a single metropolis without a single reference to support.
Same is the case with Dhaka, Khatmandu and Colombo which claim to be megalopolis including a few surrounding municipalities, all without a single reference. Therefore I propose to review and remove them in absense of WP:RELIABLESOURCE.
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Sourcing for US megaregions

What is the source for the population statistics and projections in the United States table? One of the provided sources [1] doesn't talk numbers at all, and the other [2] gives different numbers. –dlthewave ☎ 00:41, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

European megalopolises

On the european section of the article, there used to be a table with the following entries: Gold banana, Blue banana, Green banana, Atlantic axis, STRING, among others. All of a sudden that table is gone, and I cannot find the edit that removed that table so I do not know the reason for deleting it. I believe it should be restored unless there is a proper reason given for its deletion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:16A2:C914:E600:B978:3F04:40C1:428B (talk) 21:07, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

Hyphenated words?

Is megaregion and megalopolis not hyphenated? If not, why not? Thanks! ♥Th78blue (talk)♥ 02:11, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

Why was the entire Oceana section removed?

Simple enough question:

Why was the entire Oceana section removed?

There are numerous regions in various countries emerging as Megalopolis'

Timelord2067 (talk) 01:23, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

I deleted it a few months ago. The entire section was badly cited and patently incorrect. There is obviously not a megalopolis stretching from Noosa, Qld to Geelong, Vic, and I really consider it unlikely Oceania will ever contain a megalopolis. ҉ Randwicked ҉ 12:09, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

While it is obvious that "There is not a megalopolis stretching from Noosa, Qld to Geelong, Vic," the South East Queensland area contains significant urban sprawl between multiple localities(Local Government Areas and cities) that could be considered a megalopolis, the same being true for the Sydney area. (Notspecsavers (talk) 01:34, 29 September 2022 (UTC))

Article needs to be scrapped

The content quality of this article is in the gutter. The scope of the article is unclear and inconsistent, it contains a lot of unsourced original research, and where there are sources they are outdated or unreliable. Furthermore, the majority of the article is just a list of megalopolises; that should be its own article. The page is overall a just a mess. I propose that the article be blown up and rebuilt properly from scratch.  — Mr. Guye (talk) (contribs)  22:04, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

I've moved the messy "list" section in the middle to its own article (List of megalopolises). Hopefully it will help in tidying up this article to be more informative about the concept and move the focus of just listing them. 12Tome (talk) 15:14, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Page needs to be redirected to Megacity

Mega city is another word for mega polis 172.91.92.40 (talk) 02:17, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

I'd like to see some policy based reasons for redirection first. Philipnelson99 (talk) 02:20, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

I don’t know what you mean by that 2A01:B747:131:344:54E9:576C:F1D3:B84D (talk) 22:53, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

I believe Philipnelson99 is asking for a justification that references Wikipedia policies on article names. See Wikipedia:Article titles. -- Beland (talk) 02:55, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

most megalopolises on Earth have more than ten million people (mexico city and Shanghai BOTH have more than ten million people and are both megalopolises.) so megacity is basically another word for megalopolis. ALSO the 2 words both start with the prefix mega-. 2603:8001:6940:2100:6D90:12AD:E5E:8DED (talk) 04:01, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

Megalopolis and Megaregion possibly conflated?

While there's little doubt that semantics will be affected by geography, culture, and industries the megaregions listed for at least the U.S. are not what are colloquially understood to be examples of a megalopolis (with all due respect to Gottman's original usage). The colloquial understanding of megalopolis tends to be more in line with conurbation, particularly the sprawl of infrastructure that subsumes surrounding cities and often results in confusion regarding where the bounds of the dominant city ends. This is distinct from the megaregions listed, which appear to be predominantly defined by large stretches of contiguous interstate, but little else (especially density of residential and commercial infrastructure, failing the characteristic of "perceived as a continuous urban area" listed in the opening of the article).

Confusion, across industries, seems to stem from the evolution of these terms, particularly the latter understanding of megaregion, which is not inaccurate, but may be functionally incomplete: It's been proposed that megaregions are connected (hence the interstate aspect; but, not necessarily contiguous in density) megalopolises. Thus, both New York City and Boston can be megalopolises in and of themselves, but exist in the Northeast Corridor megaregion. Same can be said of Chicago and Cincinnati and the Great Lakes megaregion. (Please note how none of these cities are in sufficient proximity to be confused with one another as suggested in the article's opening.)

In view of this definition, "megalopolis" and "megaregion" might warrant two distinct articles.

References:

"They can be understood as networks of metropolitan centers and their surrounding areas, connected by existing environmental, economic, cultural, and infrastructure relationships." Megaregions: Literature Review of the Implications for U.S. Infrastructure Investment and Transportation Planning by Dr. Catherine L. Ross, Principal Investigator

"...Megaregions—megalopolises forming a complex and integrated infrastructural, demographic and economic unity fitting for the structure of a metropolis." Megaregions in the CEE region by Barnabás Heincz 68.57.254.128 (talk) 14:59, 22 July 2024 (UTC)