Talk:List of prime ministers of the United Kingdom

Adding Rishi Sunak as a permanent image within this article's lead intro image gallery

I think a new layout is needed for this article's lead intro image gallery. As the first British Asian prime minister, I believe this is a noteworthy inclusion. Caption to read something like the current ones: "Rishi Sunak was the first British Asian prime minister of the United Kingdom." Jamzze (talk) 15:05, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

I don't disagree Sunak's premiership is noteworthy, however the gallery is now being attempted to be expanded to 6, rather than the traditional 4 which looked a lot cleaner.

I'd say the general number of photos would need to be agreed on. If it's 4 - Walpole (as the first), Churchill (as the leader during later stages of WW2) and Thatcher (first female PM and major figure) have been the 3 staples of the gallery alongside the incumbent PM.

I feel that 4-image set up works better than expanding it to 6. ScottishPolitico (talk) 13:59, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

I agree that 4 is best and agree with the combination you've chosen. — Czello ^(music) 14:38, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

The first British prime minister of Indian descent was not Rishi Sunak but Lord Liverpool, whose grandmother Begum Johnson was a mixed-race Indian. Chessrat ^{(talk, contributions)} 13:19, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

New picture for Benjamin Disraeli?

I suggest that Downey portrait of Disraeli (crop).jpg will be used for the picture of Disraeli. The picture that is now (Benjamin Disraeli by H Lenthall (cropped).jpg) is from the early 1860s while this picture is from 1878 and let's keep in mind that Disraeli was in office in 1868 and from 1874-1880 so i think that it is more accurate and plus the quality is better. Leikstjórinn (talk) 17:02, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

? 194.207.191.9 (talk) 11:40, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Tenure is confusing

Today, as of 24 August 2024, it states that Keir Starmer has had 51 days as Prime Minister. However, if you look on the Great Offices of State page, it states 49 days. He took a Great Office of State position the same day he became Prime Minister. Do we need to think about this and calibrate the tenure dates? RyanPLB (talk) 10:01, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

Edward Heath has an RfC

Edward Heath has an RfC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. Emiya1980 (talk) 20:28, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

Add numerical system for Prime ministers?

I think we should add numbers for the Prime ministers Hholdenday (talk) 17:53, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

From the last time this was discussed: "As the article's lead makes clear, there's no agreement on who the first was, so there can be no agreement on the counting. Including numbers here isn't harmless; it gives the (false) impression that such counting is a normal thing for UK Prime Ministers and that there is certainty over the numbers." EddieHugh (talk) 17:25, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

I don't agree. Robert Walpole was clearly the first. Obviously there is tacit agreement about there being a chronological order of PMs because otherwise the list could not exist. Therefore, if we are to have a list that is already in chronological order, we may as well have a tab that has numbers. Hholdenday (talk) 18:11, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

seems even the article agrees "Historians generally consider Robert Walpole, who led the government of the Kingdom of Great Britain for over twenty years from 1721, to be the first prime minister." Hholdenday (talk) 18:16, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

That would require original research as there is no common usage of such numbers for them, or even agreement on who actually was the first prime minister. So I oppose this idea per WP:OR. -- DeFacto (talk). 19:25, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

It would not include original research because we already have research indicating most historians believe Walpole to be the first, on this very page too. Everyone else just follows Wolpole. Hholdenday (talk) 23:45, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

What will this number signify? Bazza 7 (talk) 22:52, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

Would Winston Churchill be counted once or twice (Grosvenor Cleveland is listed as both the 22nd and 24th president of the United States)? By the same token, would Gladstone be counted once or four times? 2A00:23C8:1DAE:2401:8CBB:346C:6C81:2ACC (talk) 23:29, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

I would follow the American example because each time they administered would be a seperate and new administration. Gladstone would be the 41st, 43ed, 45th, and 47th prime minister. I think that is a far cleaner way for doing it rather than doing what other pages such as Canadian PMs or South Korean presidents who use the number then brackets system, in that case Glad stone would be 41 (1), 41 (2), 41 (3), 41 (4) Hholdenday (talk) 23:42, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

If sources do not number prime ministers we shouldn't be numbering them. Doing so is WP:SYNTH, if not outright WP:OR. Even if we could clearly determine who the first prime minister was, we shouldn't reflect a numbering which is nor official not used by reliable sources (there would also be issues on how to number PMs serving non-consecutive terms). Impru20^talk 08:57, 5 December 2024 (UTC)