Talk:List of equipment of the Turkish Land Forces

"Leopard 1T" nomenclature

This page has a lot of horrendous inaccuracies, and the "Leopard 1T" nomenclature is one of them. There is no "Leopard 1T", the Turkish Army has a number of ex-German Leopard 1A3 (mostly downgraded former German Leopard 1A4s) and Leopard 1A1A1 tanks. Starting with the Leopard 1A1A1s, all Leopard 1s in Turkish service are being upgraded with the Aselsan VOLKAN fire control system. Some people prefer to call this configuration "Leopard 1T", but it is not an official designation.

If you have the source for it,you can edit whatever it is inaccurate. IR-TheFirstSoldier (talk) 15:27, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

HMMWV in Turkish Army?

Is it right that the Turkish Army uses HMMWV? Even if this is correct, at least the manufacturer is not right, because MKEK doesn't produce vehicles (see MKEK's webpage: http://www.mkek.gov.tr/english/foUrunler.aspx). Can somebody verify this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.131.20.28 (talk) 21:13, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

A good question. I would take most of what you see with a grain of salt unless it has a citation. Unfortunately wikipages listing a country's military equipment often become targets for editors who want to built 'fantasy' armies rather than accurately represent what the country has. This page, unfortunately, has been a victim of that at sometime in the past, so it's difficult to tell what is and isn't accurate. I've been trying to track down as many reliable or even semi-reliable sources as possible. Any other good sources on Turkish Army equipment are welcome - Jonathon A H (talk) 01:09, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

The Turkish Army does indeed use a very small number of HMMWVs; literally all of which are support vehicles associated with various radar systems. The first HMMWVs in Turkish service were definitely those that came with the AN/TPQ-36 artillery locating radar purchased from the US. These might have been joined by support vehicles of the more recent Sentinel radar system. Aside from these, there are no HMMWVs in service in general tactical transport role in the Turkish Armed Forces: the locally-built version of the Land Rover Defender 110 is the preferred unarmored 4x4 tactical transport vehicle. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.172.111.123 (talk) 05:19, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Good to know. Do you have any references? Or a number of HMMWVs in Turkish service? Would be helpful so the HMMWV can be put back in the table. :) Thanks. -Jonathon A H (talk) 16:06, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Number of equipments

Those numbers are fiction. Check them, considering those numbers, Turkey operating 20000 tanks, 2000 helicopters which is impossible. Somebody fix it, or remove that thread 85.97.56.191 (talk) 02:44, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Turkey buying Ah-64 Apache?

I haven't heard about this before from serious sources. Shown sources for this includes copy paste from each other. These are all the same [1] [2] [3] And nothing new about these sales happened from april 2008. This news are possibly fake85.101.99.38 (talk) 22:58, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Table format

In reference to the current table format - The tables are currently set up with a consistent size (90% width), mostly consistent column headers (caliber where quantity is impractical) and grouped in a nested hierarchy for the sake of categorization in the Contents menu. They're also grouped by relative cost/size/complexity starting with infantry small arms through aircraft. Future procurements are also kept separate to avoid confusion with what is currently in service, and what may/will be in service sometime in the future. Is there any logical reason that the table keeps getting re-ordered, the hierarchy and references removed, the order randomized, and the future procurements rolled back into the current, in-service systems? Thanks... - Jonathon A H (talk) 16:01, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Number of guns needed

Numbers needed. Origin of joint venture deals need mentioning. Some weapons say made in Turkey but it's licensed with foreign company. Example - helicopter.--Ericg33 (talk) 06:55, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Turkish Mi-17s

Turkish Armed forces also has numerous Mi-17s, but it is not listed here. I dont know how many are active but if someone does can you add it? Andraxxus (talk) 10:44, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

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HK-416

On the page for this weapon there's no mention of the turkish army use and some reviewers have said the turkish army has cancelled plans to acquire this weapon. maybe you should remove this weapon from the list. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.99.31.27 (talk) 20:05, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

Reliable sources

Is a forum a reliable source for the inventory of a country's armed forces? I'm concerned that forum posts often have made-up stuff and in some cases we're open to circular sourcing if the forum post is based on an old version of this page... bobrayner (talk) 20:37, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

can anyone help plz

could you please add more references to my changes. cause they are all from 3-4 sites. User:KazekageTR

what happened to the artilleries?

Why was the table of artillery and missile launchers erased? There were some significant ones, such as the indigenous T-155 Fırtına SPA. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.162.9.110 (talk) 21:27, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

Weapons list

Hi there. I've put a new list with strong references. Please write down your thoughts before you change/remove things. Here are the websites that I used as my sources;

http://www.armyrecognition.com/turkey_army_turkish_land_forces_modern_military_equipment_armoured_vehicle_._equipements_v_hicules_b.html#weapons

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/europe/tu-army-equipment.htm KazekageTR (talk) 16:51, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

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About some vehicles and drones

This page is not about the Turkish arms industry as a whole. The vehicles and drones that i've removed are not in the current inventory of TLF rather only in the brochure of Turkish Defence Industry or have only a couple of prototypes produced. Also images cannot be used as references and prototypes are only considered a part of equipment when they are officially tested. @User:Cengizsogutlu kazekagetr 17:56, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

Cengiz, for the last time i'm gonna warn you. Please please please refer to WP:PROMO you edtis such as SAPAN and GERGEDAN are not in active use, just produtcs of ASELSAN, you can add them to its own article. And also per WP:CITE, you can't use images and other Wikipedia pages (like you did on MAN630) as references and your refernces has to cite what you add, for example your references on M939, Kırıkkale and CAR15 are not saying anything about their usage. Also as a man of military interest, most of the equipment that you add, such as Stahlhelm and Zastava and stuff, the are not in active use! Please make your edits accordingly! Also Kırıkkale is not the standart handgun of the TLF. It is that TP9 project. Please do not conflict with yourself. If these things happen again, i will summon administration. And use wikitable in HORIZONTAL please, not vertical. kazekagetr 22:40, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 28 May 2020

There are mistakes on the references, the references aren't fitting to the description of the row of gun. PMT 76 machine gun : must be only Turkish flag. The Turkish .gov source doesn't say as "it's licensed version of FN Mag", unlike that, it says "equivalent of FN Mag" and there is no any reference in the source as "licensed". Tuncebe (talk) 08:38, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

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S-400

S-400 is part of Turkish air force not land forces. And this page is about equipment of the Turkish Land Forces not air force. Please stop adding false information. Shadow4dark (talk) 16:03, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

over here

Hey guys you guys should stop cramping up useless information to the page.

• First; high payload UAVs such as Anka or Heron etc. they all go to Air Force's command. Not Land Forces. Aksungur will - of course - also go to Air Force 'IF' it gets into the inventory. There are no confirmed purchases of it. So stop adding it anyway.
• Secondly; all high altitude air defence such as S400 and Hisar-U also go to Air Force. But lower air defences such as Bofors and Korkut go to Land Forces.
• Third; there are no confirmed purchases of Tulpar, Aksungur, and Kaplan as a Middle Tank. Kaplan is only ordered for Tank Destroyer role. So stop adding them as they are in the inventory.

Oh and please stop adding false citations. None of the TULPAR's nor KAPLAN's links doesn't say anything about government procurement. I also had to revert some minor details such as updated numbers and photos. You can feel free to add them back. I'm not on an edit war, just some clarifications. Cheers. 46.196.85.168 (talk) 09:16, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

Yes all S400 units is under air force control. Shadow4dark (talk) 11:02, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

This is arguable, but you are not just deleting these systems by pressing a button you did also delete other information by clicking simple revert button entire information about M45 is gone! Take them out one by one, also Hisar systems are designed for Land forces command. Cengizsogutlu (talk) 23:04, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

• Otokar Tulpar LT added to Future procurements with sources.
• Re added M45 QUADMOUNT WITH additional sources.
• Also added Added : M51 towed AA gun 75 mm

About the UAV's It is not clear whether most of them are in the land or air force, and where should we put new equipment such as Aksungur? to the Future procurements?Cengizsogutlu (talk) 01:13, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

how come it's crystal clear to me but not to you? If you have just a slight understanding about military, then you would know. aksungur will definetly go to air force since it has a very great payload. you put the equipment which are 'under delevopment' top future procurements. you put inaugurated new equipment to the list. very simple.46.196.85.168 (talk) 11:34, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

References

M45 Quadmount

STOP removing M45 from article I said 3 times! You will be reported in the continuation. You cannot show your country strong by deleting academic data, here is an encyclopedia not defence industry page. Best Regards...Cengizsogutlu (talk) 11:26, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

I'm not removing M45, I'm removing 'Skysweeper' which you wrongly reference on purpose. I cannot comprehend you English but maybe you could mine. Why do you insist on adding decades-old hardware (junk in today's standards) to the page?46.196.85.168 (talk) 11:30, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

I understand you but unfortunately this system in Turkey in the storage and backup position. After 90s Pirinçlik Air Base turned into Diyarbakir Pirinclik Kislasi ( Diyarbakir Pirinclik Barracks ) Old Skysweepers are stored at 7. Corps 52nd maintenance center even with SCR-584 radars. I don't know why I got in the position to write this but even maybe writing this is a crime, because im revealing army information. As I said, I wrote about where it was actually stored, as it was written in different sources it is still in inventory, and I cannot give additional information from now on. Yeah it might be sorry for you Turkey using store old systems even old M42 dusters But as I've said over and over, it's an encyclopedia..Cengizsogutlu (talk) 12:06, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

Another source https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/turkish-air-defence-programs.332876/

Kaplan STA and Kaplan MT

Kaplan STA and Kaplan MT are different vehicles. Kaplan STA; Tank destroyer Kaplan MT; Medium Tank and the Kaplan STA to be produced 184 pieces. (Two vehicles was produced 2019) and please do not delete / undo. Ata Barış (talk) 14:51, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

References

Orphaned references in List of equipment of the Turkish Land Forces

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of List of equipment of the Turkish Land Forces's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "Janes 2002":

• From KPV heavy machine gun: Gander, Terry J. (4 May 2001). "14.5 mm KPV heavy machine gun". Jane's Infantry Weapons 2002-2003. pp. 3732–3734.
• From M19 mortar: Gander, Terry J; Cutshaw, Charles Q (2001). "60 mm M19 mortar". Jane's Infantry Weapons 2002-2003. pp. 5335–5337.
• From M29 mortar: Gander, Terry J.; Cutshaw, Charles Q. (4 June 2001). "81 mm M29 and M29A1 mortar". Jane's Infantry Weapons 2002-2003. pp. 5330–5333.
• From M40 recoilless rifle: Gander, Terry J. (28 August 2001). "106 mm M40, M40A2 and M40A4 recoilless rifle". Jane's Infantry Weapons 2002-2003.
• From M30 mortar: Gander, Terry J.; Cutshaw, Charles Q. (4 June 2001). "107 mm M30 rifled mortar". Jane's Infantry Weapons 2002-2003. pp. 5324–5325.
• From Mortier 120mm Rayé Tracté Modèle F1: Gander, Terry J. (4 June 2001). "TDA 120 mm MO 120 RT rifled mortar". Jane's Infantry Weapons 2002-2003. pp. 1835–1836.

Reference named "Wiener 1987":

• From M101 howitzer: Wiener, Friedrich (1987). The armies of the NATO nations: Organization, concept of war, weapons and equipment. Truppendienst Handbooks Volume 3. Vienna: Herold Publishers. pp. 494–495.
• From M114 155 mm howitzer: Wiener, Friedrich (1987). The armies of the NATO nations: Organization, concept of war, weapons and equipment. Truppendienst Handbooks Volume 3. Vienna: Herold Publishers. p. 494-495.
• From M116 howitzer: Wiener, Friedrich (1987). The armies of the NATO nations: Organization, concept of war, weapons and equipment. Truppendienst Handbooks Volume 3. Vienna: Herold Publishers. p. 496.
• From M115 howitzer: Wiener, Friedrich (1987). The armies of the NATO nations: Organization, concept of war, weapons and equipment. Truppendienst Handbooks Volume 3. Vienna: Herold Publishers. pp. 499–500.
• From M29 mortar: Wiener, Friedrich (1987). The armies of the NATO nations: Organization, concept of war, weapons and equipment. Truppendienst Handbooks Volume 3. Vienna: Herold Publishers. p. 469.
• From Bofors 40 mm gun: Wiener, Friedrich (1987). The armies of the NATO nations: Organization, concept of war, weapons and equipment. Truppendienst Handbooks Volume 3. Vienna: Herold Publishers. pp. 524–525.
• From M40 recoilless rifle: Wiener, Friedrich (1987). The armies of the NATO nations: Organization, concept of war, weapons and equipment. Truppendienst Handbooks Volume 3. Vienna: Herold Publishers. p. 484.
• From M19 mortar: Wiener, Friedrich (1987). The armies of the NATO nations: Organization, concept of war, weapons and equipment. Truppendienst Handbooks Volume 3. Vienna: Herold Publishers. p. 462.
• From M151 ¼-ton 4×4 utility truck: Wiener, Friedrich (1987). The armies of the NATO nations: Organization, concept of war, weapons and equipment. Truppendienst Handbooks Volume 3. Vienna: Herold Publishers. p. 589.
• From M30 mortar: Wiener, Friedrich (1987). The armies of the NATO nations: Organization, concept of war, weapons and equipment. Truppendienst Handbooks Volume 3. Vienna: Herold Publishers. p. 470.

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Sarsılmaz SAR109T

Sarsılmaz SAR109T is only in use by JnGK (Gendermarie), DzKK (Navy), EGM (Police). Please do not add without a new source.

vz. 58

The vz. 58 should be moved out of the AK-47's box in the chart as it is not a variant of it, nor is it derived from the AK-47 beyond sharing a similar design and caliber. 47.196.101.151 (talk) 09:15, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

Regarding the SAR-56 rifle

For your kind information, I have meticulously examined the page and observed that the SAR-56 rifle is mentioned as being exclusively used by the Special Forces Command. However, it is crucial to clarify that the SAR-56 has been extensively utilized by Turkish commando brigades for approximately two years.

Handguns

I haven't handled them myself, however, by looking at the images, it seems to me that there is a bit of mix up. Sar 9 looks like it is based on Walter P99, while Catnik TP9 looks a lot like HK. 90.95.31.161 (talk) 12:08, 18 December 2024 (UTC)