Talk:Laura Ling

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Article Needs A Photo

There should be a picture of her. This is wikipedia standard practice.

70.215.151.27 (talk) 03:29, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

How far across the border were they?

I assume you can't get arrested unless you actually crossed over the border. I'm wondering how far across they were. The article isn't complete without that information, and the news stories I've read so far don't reveal that information. Weren't they have taking pictures of the refugees as they were crossing over the border? Seems odd they didn't just wait. Dream Focus 19:45, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Merge

This article needs to be merged with 2009 imprisonment of US journalists by North Korea since it's not noteworthy otherwise and just repeates the same info from the "2009 imprisonment of US journalists by North Korea" article.--RossF18 (talk) 00:22, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

• Oppose merge There is additional information about the person, other than that one event. How long have they worked at Current TV, anything before then? The information about their sister is relevant here, but not over at the other article of course. I believe more information about her will be revealed in time. Dream Focus 03:10, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
  • But is she notable enough outside of this single event to warrant her own article? 75.139.197.15 (talk) 09:15, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
    • http://current.com/users/lauraling.htm I think so. How many people have now seen her investigative reports? Dream Focus 11:28, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
      • Her being the sister of Lisa Ling adds to her notability. Sucks for her, she has higher worth than the other hostage.--23prootie (talk) 11:31, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

• • Having information out there about a person does not equal the person being notable. Yes, she was a reporter, but outside this event, she was not notable enough to warrant an article beforehand. And having a famous sister or father means nothing in regard to your own notability unless you yourself have done something to be notable. And besides being a captured reporter, she is not notable aside from the event. The question is, if she wasn't captured, would you ever hear of her? If she hadn't been captured, would her article pass muster of notability? I think not. Does her capture add enough to her notability to have an article? Questionable since this is the only thing she's known for. There are hundres if not thousands of captured poltical prisoners - every single one does not have an article.--RossF18 (talk) 20:14, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Was she notable before she became notable...?

No. But now she is, so what is the issue? Wikipedia notability guidelines do not state an individual needs to be notable for more than one thing. As for the argument that, "there are hundreds if not thousands of captured political prisoners - every single one does not have an article," ... true, and every single one does not have the president of the United States, a former vice-president, a secretary of state, a governor and the media all clammoring about them at the same time. There is no question of notability now. Xenophrenic (talk) 06:00, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

• • Merge to Lisa Ling. I suggest this article be merge to her sister's article until she is able to garner more notability, ala Corrine Bailey Rae and Jason Rae.--23prootie (talk) 02:28, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

You've made this suggestion, but it has to be discussed and agreed to by consensus of the editors of Lisa Ling - you've been reverted twice, so please stop changing Lisa Ling until it has been decided. I oppose the merge to Lisa Ling as Laura is not a sub-set of Lisa - they are two independent individuals, and Laura's career should be handled separately, especially now that she has her own notability unrelated to Lisa. Her notability is not inherited, and she is not known only because she is Lisa's sister. I'm not yet commenting on the suggestion to merge to the article about the incident, only about merging to Lisa Ling. Tvoz/talk 03:05, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Whoever you are. please see Corrine Bailey Rae and Jason Rae. And I reverted myself.--23prootie (talk) 03:05, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the revert (the 2 earlier ones were by me and 0o7565, by the way). I think that the Rae situation is a bit different, and in fact I possibly would have supported Jason Rae having a separate article, depending on how much information about him other than his death is available. So I don't see it as a valid argument here. Tvoz/talk 04:17, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

• Oppose merge to imprisonment article as well, at this time. As I said at Talk: Euna Lee, these two are separate individuals with stub articles - I think they need to be expanded rather than collapsed, as more information about them emerges and I would give it some time to do so. They aren't, for example, random victims of terrorism or an accident - their careers and aproach to journalism is apparently why they got into the situation they are in, and it's notable and valid for them to have full articles. Tvoz/talk 04:17, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

• Oppose merge, as the incident as well as the involved individuals are all notable now. This is also very recent, so reliable content is likely to be limited in the near-term. Patience. Xenophrenic (talk) 06:00, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

• Oppose merge. The individuals are now notable. They are in a unique position and are very key to our current history. People will want to know who they are and how they got where they are now. Let the issue play out for a while before deciding they are not notable. Erxnmedia (talk) 13:25, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

• As far as the argument regarding them being notable already, that's up for debate. But, please refer to *WP:CRYSTAL - Wikipedia isn't a crystal ball. They may become Wikipedia-notable by themselves later, but for now 1E applies.--RossF18 (talk) 20:40, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

No, it's really not up for debate. That would be like saying, "the argument regarding the earth not being flat is up for debate..." While there may be people that want to debate it, the facts have already ended the debate. It is true that the involved individuals may become even more notable by themselves later on, but for now they have already met Wikipedia's notability requirements. "Significant coverage in reliable secondary sources" applies. Xenophrenic (talk) 18:08, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Oppose. She qualifies under notability guidelines for creative professionals:

1. The person has created, or played a major role in co-creating, a significant or well-known work, or collective body of work, that has been the subject of an independent book or feature-length film, or of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews.
2. The person's work either (a) has become a significant monument, (b) has been a substantial part of a significant exhibition, (c) has won significant critical attention, or (d) is represented within the permanent collections of several notable galleries or museums, or had works in many significant libraries.

In addition she is related to Lisa Ling.--23prootie (talk) 19:51, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Comment: If these unfortunate women have been made notable by virtue of their widely condemned imprisonment by a rogue regime on presumably trumped-up charges, then all the Guantanamo detainees must also have been made notable by theirs, and each ought to have their own article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.241.218.107 (talk) 06:54, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Ling is Famous now. A US President went all the way to North Korea to secure her release. Yes she now merits her own wikipedia article as does her colleague. 70.215.151.27 (talk) 03:33, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Recent news

A little more detail about her ordeal in North Korea can be found here. It appears she is an expectant mother as well. Article Xenophrenic (talk) 19:21, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Should mention of her book be added?

Laura Ling has written a book about the detainment in North Korea but the book isn't mentioned in the article. It is titled "Somewhere Inside". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ongepotchket (talk • contribs) 10:57, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

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Awards Section

I would like to create a separate awards section to include all the awards Ling has won thus far. The proposed text would read:

Ling was named one of Glamour magazine's Women of the Year in 2009. In 2011, Ling received the McGill Medal for Journalistic Courage from the Grady College of Journalism and Mass Communication, and in 2014, she won an Emmy Award and an Edward R. Murrow Award (Radio Television Digital News Association) for SoCal Connected. In 2012, Ling was inducted into the San Juan Education Foundation Hall of Fame. As the Director of Development and Correspondent for Discovery Digital Networks, Ling won a Gracie Award in 2016.

While she was the vice president of Vanguard, the show won several awards including a Peabody Award, two Emmy nominations, a Prism Award, and an Alfred I. duPont–Columbia University Award.

Loucraig (talk) 19:21, 13 April 2019 (UTC)

References

More External Links

I plan to add these links under the External Links heading:

E! Investigates[1][2][3][4]

Vanguard Society X with Laura Ling How Africa is Hacking its Energy Crisis Rituals with Laura Ling Loucraig (talk) 19:30, 13 April 2019 (UTC)

Career

I intend to add the following content (with some rewording to existing content) to the Career Section:

At the time of her capture, Ling was undercover making a documentary about North Korean defectors, who were primarily women, and the dangers they faced once across the Chinese border at the Tumen River including forced marriages and trafficking, deportation, and being viewed as a criminal.

Ling hosted a one-hour news show on E! Network, entitled E! Investigates, which premiered on December 8, 2010. The show targeted a younger audience and focused on pop culture. Her second show on E! was called Society X with Laura Ling, which aired on October 3, 2013. In addition, Ling hosted a news program on KCET, which focused on local news in Los Angeles; the show aired nightly. Ling has also worked on projects for Nightline, NBC, PBS, and The WB (now The CW).

In 2015, Ling partnered with The ONE Campaign to make a documentary How Africa is Hacking the Its Energy Crisis, which was posted on the Seeker Stories YouTube channel. Ling also created and reported on Rituals with Laura Ling, which was also posted to the Seeker Stories YouTube channel.

2009 Detention in North Korea

Of the trial, Ling stated, "I had tried to prepare myself for a lengthy sentence, but realling nothing could prepare me for the verdict when I heard the words twelve years...he said, no forgiveness, no appeal...And I was wondering if those words meant that the window of opportunity had closed and my fate was sealed."

Diplomatic Crisis

Many in both the United States and South Korea have also accused Ling and Lee of creating a diplomatic crisis with the DPRK during a particularly tense emergency that was already ongoing between North Korea and the United States.These accusations have been addressed in both Ling and Lee's memoirs. In an interview with NPR, Lisa Ling said of the political climate with North Korea, "The tensions on the Korean peninsula had been worsening and becoming increasingly more severe, and some say that it was one of the low points in U.S.-North Korea relations." In the efforts to negotiate Ling and Lee's release, diplomatic envoys were brought up as an option, and many different envoys were considered including the Governor of New Mexico, Bill Richardson, former President Jimmy Carter, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, and finally President Bill Clinton, who was ultimately accepted as an envoy by the North Koreans.

Loucraig (talk) 19:35, 13 April 2019 (UTC)

References