Talk:Land use, land-use change, and forestry

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Title and possible merge

The title should be in lower case, with the exception to the first letter (i.e. "Land use, land-use change and forestry"). I also wonder if this merits to be an article on its own. It should most likely be merged with either land use or deforestation or related articles. ~ UBeR 22:59, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Reference to Cement Production

there is a minor reference on this page to "cement production" being a major contributor to carbon emissions. I went to the Cement page ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cement ) to find hidden in the Climate section that it produces 5% of all man-made CO2 emissions. Wow !! Can the reference in this page be a link direct to the climate section under "cement" ? Sorry - my Wiki skills are still developing Rzyzkc (talk) 07:04, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Wikiproject Earth

Hello i have recently proposed the Wikiproject Earth. This Wikiproject`s scope includes this article. This wikiproject will overview the continents, oceans, atsmophere and global warming Please Voice your opinion by clicking anywhere on this comment except for my name. --Iwilleditu^{Talk :)Contributions} —Preceding comment was added at 15:36, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Add Portal:Global warming

Add Portal:Global warming. See

for obvious connection. 141.218.36.152 (talk) 00:10, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

I don't see a connection. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 00:12, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

You don't have to, others have seen it. 141.218.36.152 (talk) 00:14, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

Fixed. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 00:18, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

See Template talk:Global warming now. 141.218.36.152 (talk) 00:40, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

I recently added a few entries to the template. The main link between land use change/forestry to global warming IMO is that the IPCC uses it as a net climate forcing; changes in land use artificially change Earth's albedo (ie. forest-to-desert would increase albedo, increasing local cooling, while removal of forests decreases Earth's net carbon sink, assuming it is still a sink, thus increasing global warming through higher GHGs). Are there any other areas of dispute? ~AH1 ^(discuss!) 00:46, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

As far as I can tell, this article should not exist. It started as a combination of land use and deforestation, and has taken a WP:POVFORK from there. In any case, those articles should be in the template and portal. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 02:26, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

(od) done. 99.181.145.106 (talk) 08:34, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Image relating to tropical land use

Energy networks displaying the relative annual energy flux (coloured arrow width weighted by calculated energy flux (kg per hectare per year)) and biomass (coloured node diameter weighted by total biomass) among the functional feeding guilds: predators (red), omnivores (blue), detritivores (yellow) and herbivores (green). Each panel represents an energy network for one of the four land-use transformation systems.

This diagram is from a recent open access (CC-BY) paper in Nature Communications. It may be relevant to this or a related article, but I'll leave that up to this article's contributors.

• Barnes, Andrew D.; Jochum, Malte; Mumme, Steffen; Haneda, Noor Farikhah; Farajallah, Achmad; Widarto, Tri Heru; Brose, Ulrich (28 October 2014). "Consequences of tropical land use for multitrophic biodiversity and ecosystem functioning". Nature Communications. 5: 5351. doi:10.1038/ncomms6351.

MartinPoulter (talk) 18:19, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

Confusing phrase

This one in second section: "The most recent options for rule changes under consideration are summarized in a "Non-Paper" the co-chairs of the contact group on LULUCF (as of June 12).[5]" but could not find out how to fix it. Non-paper the co-chairs? josei (talk) 23:43, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

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Same picture issue

The same Picture is used twice in a row in this article just letting you know! Pikachu4999 (talk) 04:35, 5 June 2018 (UTC)Pikachu4999

LULCC

Does anybody know whether LULCC (Land use and land cover change) is identical to LULUCF ? It's used by several authors, among them R. A. Houghton, whose work is used by IPCC. --Cyberic71 (talk) 08:39, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

Suggestions for the article

I think that the article is associated with current environmental change and it is very helpful to understand human dimensions of environmental change. But I think that the lead section of the article needs to be well defined. Besides, it needs to be outlined and supported by more data and citations.bbakkal 23:24, 26 February 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bbakkal (talk • contribs)

This article is informative on the general scope of LULC, but there is some room for making your entry even stronger. I added a couple methods on how to help sustain forests and biodiversity and these methods can both be expanded upon in your next entry. If these methods don't interest any of you, you can talk about how forest and Land Use change are being modeled by scientists. Look up the Land Use project (LUMIP), this is a ecosystem model that takes into account all factors contributing to land use change and then runs this simulation to see the effects of deforestation on our planet. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lfabina (talk • contribs) 14:58, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

I think you have a great backbone for an article here! However, there are numerous places where further elaboration- specifically the defining of terms and addition of citations- would greatly strengthen the article. Outside of these suggestions, there are only a few miscellaneous corrections you should consider. To begin, I think the UN quote in your introduction provides a clear and concise definition of your topic, although you should be careful using a direct quote. On Wikipedia, even direct quotes are a form of plagiarism with few exceptions. Secondly, I think the “Climate Impacts” section would be much easier to comprehend and, therefore, be far more reader-friendly if provided more definitions. I do not know what Kyoto Parties, the Bali Action Plan, a “Non-Paper,” and RCM ensemble simulations are. I anticipate that the average reader does not know these terms either. It is a great idea to link these terms to other corresponding Wikipedia pages as you have done, but I do not think this is enough. It is an inconvenience for the reader to click back and forth between web pages every other sentence. For this reason, I think you should provide a short definition- no more than a sentence or two- for each of these terms. Additionally, you should add a citation after your claim that certain variables in climate model, like precipitation, are more noisy. This is not common knowledge. The section about diversity needs a lot of citations. Most of the places that need citations were marked by someone before me. However, the last three sentences from “Furthermore, forests can be sustained by….” to “are being used throughout the world” need citations, as well. I think this section could also be improved by including various subheadings. At the beginning, you mention three topics: habitat loss, degradation, and fragmentation. Those would be a great place to start. Finally, I think this is the ideal article to incorporate themes from class like telecoupling, human-environment interactions, coupled natural and human systems, environmental justice, and some of the papers we read in class during the land use and land cover change lesson. If you created a heading called “Global Implications” or something to that effect that references the global consequences of land use and land cover change, you could easily include these ideas there. For example, you could include Western government’s attempts to regulate Brazil’s use of the Amazon, using it as an example to illustrate these ideas. I Have No Authority (talk) 02:13, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

This article was well written and formatted correctly. With this being said, I added a section on forest modeling. This section talks about the general use of forest modeling, but if you wanted to add more to it I would recommend checking out articles on the ORCHIDEE (SVN r2290) earth system model. This is a more improved model that accounts for even more factors that can be set as specific parameters for the model. I think this would be a really good topic to expand upon.

This article was well written and formatted correctly. With this being said, I added a section on forest modeling. This section talks about the general use of forest modeling, but if you wanted to add more to it I would recommend checking out articles on the ORCHIDEE (SVN r2290) earth system model. This is a more improved model that accounts for even more factors that can be set as specific parameters for the model. I think this would be a really good topic to expand upon. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lfabina (talk • contribs) 02:21, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Nice to see you students working on this very important article: without going into too much detail on individual countries maybe you would like to add info on some LULUCF targets such as those in the European Green Deal. Chidgk1 (talk) 12:21, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

"Land use and biodiversity" section

I wonder if this should be moved to either land use or biodiversity as it does not seem to fit the definition in the first sentence. Chidgk1 (talk) 11:34, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Rainforest shift: impact on soil fertility

What I’m wondering about is when a rainforest (i.e. the Amazon) indeed shifts from rainforest to savanna, doesn’t that also make the soil/growing conditions worse (compared to when it’s rainforest, or “agroforestry-style rainforest” (so just partially chopped down). The idea is that the soil then gets much more exposed to weather influences, reducing moisture content and probably reducing microorganisms in the soil. If indeed so, the agriculture / forestry sector actually puts itself to a great disadvantage with their “agriculture approach” (as by chopping down 100% rather then 50% or so, they also make the farming more difficult for themselves (you want partial shade, not full sun for most crops in a tropical climate).

Can someone search for scientific literature on this subject ? I'm assuming soil/climate comparisons would have already been done between savanna and rainforest, and the original paper written about the rainforest-savanna shift might also have details on soil changes.

Economics of “agroforestry-style rainforests”

More info on economics of agroforestry-style rainforests and other approaches is needed (as discussed on Wikiproject Climate Change). The intent should be to focus on approaches that maintain current yields and/or change or diversify crops/food but maintain financial income from agriculture or even improve it, while minimizing damage to the rainforest and other fragile areas (also by minimizing damage to these places, more income by other people may be generated -i.e. ecotourist hotels, ecotourist agencies, ... and/or can exist or keep existing). The latter thus also helps to benefit more people and helps to increase the economy and decrease the financial inequality there. --Genetics4good (talk) 06:07, 10 June 2021 (UTC)

AFOLU

I also come across AFOLU in OECD and IPCC material. Which is "Agriculture, Forestry and Other Land Use". See www.ipcc.ch/report/ar5/wg3/agriculture-forestry-and-other-land-use-afolu/. I will not add this abbreviation however, because this is not my area. Some other editor might like to make that change? RobbieIanMorrison (talk) 10:18, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, User:RobbieIanMorrison. I've added that in, even though it's not my area of expertise either. :-) EMsmile (talk) 07:49, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

Useful, I think. Thanks. RobbieIanMorrison (talk) 07:55, 26 October 2023 (UTC)