Talk:La Tour d'Auvergne

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A family tree, or a succession diagram or something would make this article much more understandable! Stevage 13:05, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Marie-Louise LTdA and Sobieski-Stuarts

Several editors have tried to make changes to the sentence, "Although officially married to Jules de Rohan, Duc de Montbazon, she also had offspring by her cousin, the Young Pretender to the thrones of England and Scotland, - the so-called Sobieski-Stuart brothers." But the corrections have several times been reverted by an editor who has provided no evidence for this peculiar claim.

There is absolutely no relationship between Marie-Louise and the Sobieski-Stuarts.

Marie-Louise was the mother of a son sired (while whe was married to the duc de Montbazon) by Charles Edward Stuart. The child died some five months later. For an extensive treatment of this relationship, see Laurence L. Bongie's "The love of a Prince: Bonnie Prince Charlie in France, 1744-1748" (1986).

The so-called Sobieski Stuart brothers claimed to be the sons of a legitimate son born to Louise of Stolberg-Gedern, wife of Charles Edward Stuart.

I have corrected the page accordingly. Noel S McFerran 17:26, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Red linking, WP:MS

As the original author of the page, I consider this version of the page the last that I can endorse. Further edits were abysmal. I'd appreciate their reversal. Per WP:NOT, Wikipedia is not a genealogical reference. --Ghirla^-трёп- 13:49, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Philippe d'Auvergne

Is there any proof he committed suicide in London. He certainly died, bankrupt, in a hotel in Kensington, London, and it is likely to have been suicide, but is there anything to corroborate this claim? Rincewind 68 (talk) 15:13, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Or, for that matter, any credible corroboration of his claim to be a legitimate member of the House of La Tour d'Auvergne? While the last reigning Duke of Bouillon, whose only son had fathered no sons, longed to believe it and treated it as factual, most genealogists were and are skeptical. Our article should reflect both the Duke's attitude toward him and current research data on the kinship claim. FactStraight (talk) 17:22, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

The London Gazette announced the official odoption of Philippe to Godefroy III, with the King's permission. Although by all accounts the connection between a 13th Century family arriving in Jersey and the Prinicipality is very dubious to say the least. Godefory III was looking for an heir, and looks like he wanted to ignore any rightful French heirs (assumption). Rincewind 68 (talk) 11:53, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Recent move

User:Gryffindor recently moved this page with the rationale that the La Tour d'Auvergne were a "non-sovereign family". On the contrary, the Duchy of Bouillon was sovereign, and its Dukes were recognised at the French court as princes étrangers on the strength of it. I don't disagree with the page move itself, but the reason given was wrong. Opera hat (talk) 09:55, 25 August 2017 (UTC)

Hi Opera hat. Was the Duchy ever an independent country? As far as I can tell it was a fief of early modern France and a state of the Holy Roman Empire. If it was independent and sovereign, I will gladly move it back of course. Gryffindor (talk) 09:59, 25 August 2017 (UTC)

Succession to Principality

Godefroi Maurice Marie Joseph, Prince de la Tour d’Auvergne (20 Nov 1770-7 Apr 1849) was in 1791 named as heir presumptive. Congress of Wien in 1815 decided to give the right of naming successor to King of Netheralnds. See pages 176 and 177. https://books.google.rs/books?id=uxBkAAAAcAAJ&pg=RA2-PA176&lpg=RA2-PA176&dq=Godefroy Maurice Marie Joseph de La Tour d'Auvergne 1770&source=bl&ots=0NT0YxNw2g&sig=ACfU3U1wumL3HK9bozS6x6tWmZnicqMRwg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjYkPOit5_5AhVGVfEDHfYXBMwQ6AF6BAgYEAM#v=onepage&q=Godefroy Maurice Marie Joseph de La Tour d'Auvergne 1770&f=false 109.245.127.130 (talk) 01:32, 30 July 2022 (UTC)