Talk:Jessica Mak

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 18:44, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

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• ... that for her presentation at the 2008 Game Developers Conference, Jessica Mak simply played music and let go balloons in the audience? Source: Wired magazine article from 2008
  • ALT1: ... that rather than speak during her presentation at the 2008 Game Developers Conference, Jessica Mak simply played music and let go balloons in the audience? Source: Same as above
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Lee Sung Jin (writer)
  • Comment: Review forthcoming - thank you!

Moved to mainspace by Bridget (talk). Self-nominated at 23:07, 14 January 2024 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Jessica Mak; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: All looks good but still needs QPQ. Ping me when you have that done and I'll be happy to pass this. :) Grnrchst (talk) 18:59, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

Grnrchst, thank you for taking the time to review this! I've done a review of a DYK and added it above. Best, Bridget (talk) 02:17, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

Fabulous, approve! --Grnrchst (talk) 08:25, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

Misgendering?

All sources I can find on this person now refer to them as Jonathan Mak. I don't think we should continue to use his deadname or categorise them as female. Robo37 (talk) 20:35, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

The name change to Jessica happened after 2017 as far as I can tell. Was there a change back? If you have more recent links than the one on the article, could post some here. Would be good to avoid use of a deadname as much as possible. Flurrious (talk) 21:48, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

@Robo37: Is there any article text in which she is referred with the wrong pronouns or name? Please see the cited sources and how they refer to her over time, especially the publication dates of the sources you say you found (which should be from the 2000s/2010s). The article currently reflects how she has been identified most recently, e.g., these 2021 articles from Polygon and Engadget, as well as her Twitter account (which is an acceptable source for this purpose per WP:ABOUTSELF). Bridget (talk) 22:36, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

Yes you are correct, the articles I've read are outdated. My apologies. Robo37 (talk) 00:20, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

Bridget, you reverted my addition of her deadname to the lead per MOS:DEADNAME, saying that her games were notable before but not her. This implies that the coverage she has received since her transition has made her notable—I don't see that in the relevant sources ([1], [2], and [3]). I think e.g. this source provides far more significant coverage on her pre-transition than all three sources post-transition, which are essentially replications of the same story. Do you still disagree? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 18:04, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

I feel the 2021 development helped cement her notability as a developer, since the two prior bursts of coverage are mainly centered on her game design work on the 2007 and 2012 titles rather than her as an individual. I definitely agree with you on the CBC source, though. I got excited when I found the CBC article while expanding the article. But it seems to me like that's the only source we have on her from that time that focuses on her as a person. I appreciate you expounding your reasoning, and—looking at this situation again—I wouldn't object to re-adding the name if you are still seeing its inclusion is justified per MOS:DEADNAME. Best, Bridget (talk) 18:39, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

I agree that it's rather borderline, but for me, if her notability were to be questioned, that pre-transition CBC source would be the first you'd cite. I think that pushes me towards including the deadname; thanks for understanding. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 18:43, 3 February 2024 (UTC)