Talk:Jōdo Shinshū

No "gwa" sound in Japanese

While I agree that romaji doesn't have a "gwa" Japanese itself does. The sound a frog makes is usually romanised to "gua." A google searched netted only 22 results for "honguanji." "Honganji" netted 50,800 and "hongwanji" resulted in 80,800. Now I don't know anything about this sect from personal experience, but generally the more commonly used name is what we use on Wikipedia. The final nail in the coffin should be that the sect's official site uses the "w" http://www2.hongwanji.or.jp/english/ .--Dustin Asby 18:49, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

Refer to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_kana_usage - this sound is not commonly used anymore, but did exist as が

I once heard from someone who was a Shin Buddhist priest. He pointed out that although Hongwanji is pronounced "hon-gan-ji", the Hongwanji still prefers the more traditional spelling with the "gwa". Why they prefer that rather than a more modern spelling was never made clear to me, but the official spelling by the Hongwanji does have the "gwa". --Ph0kin 07:48, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

It is rather the closed Yōon ぐゎ. I think this is just in romanisation, since I can't find examples of it in Japanese. This website speculates that Nishi Hongwanji is preserving the wa because Higashi Honganji already claimed the URL honganji.or.jp, leaving them with hongwanji.or.jp. This explanation works when considering promotional materials such as pamphlets and so forth, as well as book publications—it is not necessary to specify Nishi or Higashi each time if they are distinguished by gwa or ga. However, the website also suggests that Nishi Hongwanji still appears not to put the gwa into kana—so, as I stated above, it appears to just be a romanisation matter. Alexoneill (talk) 08:53, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

Shinran and Honen were not exiled by the Kamakura Bakufu

Please check historical references before writing biographical information. Shinran and Honen were not exiled by the Kamakura bakufu. They were exiled by Emperor Gotoba at the behest of the Kofukuji temple, and the Emperor's decision had more to do with personal reasons (losing a couple of his ladies-in-waiting) than for religious ones. The Kofukuji temple used this incident to persuade the Emperor to finally persecute Honen and his followers.

Anyways, I've made a number of corrections on the Shinran biography section because there was a lot of misinformation there that needed to be cleared up. This information is easily found on the web, and in biographical books. Please be careful to get the facts right. Thanks! Ph0kin 05:58, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Deleted Josho Adrian Cirlea from list of Modern Shin Thinkers

Cirlea has only been ordained for a few years and has not produced any works of major significance yet that would justify inclusion alongside the other people on this list. At best he could be included on a list of Western Shin priests but that is all. In addition, by checking the edit log one can see that Cirlea added his own name to the list in a blatant case of self-promotion. — --Nio-guardian

This person re-added their name; this time to the list of Major Modern Thinkers! Even leaving aside their minor significance in Shin history they should not be adding their own name to the article - it is totally unethical. I have re-deleted it. --Nio-guardian (talk) 15:11, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

My name is Josho Adrian Cirlea and I hope you will not delete this. First of all, I am a priest since 2003 and I have 10 translations into Romanian, three books written by me also in Romanian, plus many articles in English. I am also the representative of Jodo Shinshu association in my country where I run two centers. I added my name with a link to my blog because I thought this is a simple link list like every list one can find on the internet. I did not do it for my ego. I did it in order that people interested in Jodo Shinshu can find my blog, among other websites. On my blog I do not write for self promotion but for the promotion of the Dharma. I do not understand exactly how wikipedia works but I saw only "modern thinkers" in the title, not "major modern thinkers". I do not consider myself a major teacher or thinker, but I do consider myself to be a modern thinker, a modern priest and teacher, for the simple reason that I live, write, translate and promote the Dharma in this modern times. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Josho adrian (talk • contribs) 15:57, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

Deleted Eiken Kobai from list of Modern Shin Thinkers

Barring the fact that he has written some books in English and that he is promoted by a couple of individuals on the web he is by no means a 'major' figure. To merit addition to this surely he would need to be discussed and mentioned in works other than his own and the couple of websites run by his own followers (see above)? The other names on the list are famous worldwide. --Nio-guardian (talk) 09:47, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Agreed and thanks for your vigilance. I wonder if this "modern-Shin" thinker section is even needed in my opinion. It's too subjective inherently, and ripe for abuse. It also does not add much to the core article.

I agree. I would be happy to see it removed. Although those currently listed are major figures the list is inherently biased towards those people who have made an impact in the West. There is no easy way to correct this so I think it would be better to remove the list.--Nio-guardian (talk) 09:52, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Kobai Sensei has a long career as a university professor and he is well known in Japan. In English he has only a few books translated. His writings are not read by a couple of individuals only. I wonder who are you guys and who gives you the authority to decide who is to be added and who not on a simple list of modern shin thinkers. Or you just do not agree with his style of writing and add here people on your own personal likes and dislikes.

One of the oldest traditional Honpa Hongwanji temples in Brazil / Fotos de templo budista tradicional de SP

Here are my pics (2009) of a historical temple in Brazil. I lived in the same block, behind this temple many years ago for a brief period of time. Unfortunately the entrance was locked when I found my way back to revisit. There are the best photos I could come up with during a hot, hot summer day.

Seguem minhas fotos de um dos mais tradicionais templos budistas de SP. Infelizmente o portao do templo estava trancado quando passei por lah; quero dizer que, depois de muitos anos sem poder retornar, tive que me consolar com as poucas fotos que consegui e que aqui compartilho com vcs.:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/9261368@N05/ (procurem HONPA HONGWANJI entre meus sets).

Bepp (talk) 11:02, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/9261368@N05/

Proposal to merge in Jodo_Shinshu_Patriarchs

Jodo_Shinshu_Patriarchs should be merged into this article. i don't think it serves any purpose on it's own. --vvarkey (talk) 10:58, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

• Support.--Cúchullain ^t/c 12:23, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
  • This proposal is nine months old. The section should be merged or the proposal removed from the article. Prburley (talk) 11:49, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Merged Jodo_Shinshu_Patriarchs

Prburley (talk) 14:43, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Corrections to "Modern Shin Figures" List

Corrected blatant Western, male, and academic bias in “Major modern Shin figures” section. Now included in the list is traditionalist and Horai Association founder Zuiken Inagaki, as well as Dennis Hirota and Shojun Bando (all serious omissions). The Rev. Dr. Eiken Kobai has been re-instated to reflect the esteem with which he is held among Japanese and East Asian Shin Buddhists. Australian poet Harold Stewart and beloved Japanese poet-saint Saichi Asahara are also included. Count Kozui Otani, Lady Takeko Kujo, and William Montgomery McGovern round out a list which hitherto has been appallingly deficient. Further changes to the list, which is now balanced and properly representative, apart from corrections to dates and name spelling, should be regarded as deliberate attempts to suppress or advocate specific viewpoints. GabertS (talk) 21:51, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

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