Talk:Iwan Roberts

Taking this article to WP:FA status

Hello. User:The Rambling Man and I are about to start pushing this article to Featured Article status. We've had a fair bit of luck in doing this in the past with other football and cricket articles. Assistance gratefully received. And apologies to any editors who feel slighted by wholesale changes to work they've done previously. No offence intended. Apologies too for the "building site" feel that's about to hit the article. Hopefully, it'll be shiny pretty soon. --Dweller 16:19, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Yeah! The Rambling Man 17:54, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Sources

Just a section to add some sources what I find when I'm surfin'... The Rambling Man 13:26, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

• Welsh schoolboy international reference

  Just says he was one. Not that useful, or is it? --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 10:28, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

• Cambridge United, detailed profile —Preceding unsigned comment added by The Rambling Man (talk • contribs) 13:57, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

   Done thanks --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 10:28, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

• Welsh appearances, 2000 onwards The Rambling Man 15:49, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

  Not sure where we'd use that, except perhaps stats. I've seen some players with list of capped appearance tables. Want one? --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 10:30, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

Chart

Anyone like the idea of a bar chart showing his goals each season, with maybe a line chart superimposed showing goals per game (if the data's available)? --Dweller 23:18, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I'll happily knock one up as soon as we get all the missing data. The Rambling Man 13:27, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

I think we have the data, The Rambling Man :-) --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 10:01, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

Where is? The Rambling Man (talk) 10:04, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

Here? --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 11:36, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

The Rambling Man PING! --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 12:09, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

Structure

I took the current structure from Gilberto Silva, which is the only recent football biog FA. I think that the "senior career" aspect is too restrictive for a journeyman player who plied his trade for many clubs and suggest we move to a club-based batch of sections. Anyone disagree? --Dweller 15:01, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I think the Milner experience has taught us that going by club isn't frowned upon. Let's go for it. The Rambling Man 17:15, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

International career

I extracted (carefully, by hand) the following from RSSSF.com for Roberts' international career (date, home/away/neutral, oppo, score (wales 1st), club at the time, Welsh scorer(s)).

1. 11/10/89 (H) vs Netherlands (1-2) - Watford (Bowen)
2. 29/04/92 (A) vs Austria (1-1) - Huddersfield (Coleman)
3. 03/06/92 (N) vs Argentina (0-1) - Huddersfield n/a
4. 07/06/92 (N) vs Japan (1-0) - Huddersfield (Bowen)
5. 20/04/94 (H) vs Sweden (0-2) - Leicester n/a
6. 07/09/94 (H) vs Albania (2-0) - Leicester (Coleman, Giggs)
7. 12/10/94 (A) vs Moldova (2-3) - Leicester (Speed, Blake)
8. 29/03/00 (H) vs Finland (1-2) - Norwich (Giggs)
9. 23/05/00 (H) vs Brazil (0-3) - Norwich n/a
10. 02/06/00 (A) vs Portugal (0-3) - Norwich n/a
11. 02/09/00 (A) vs Belarus (1-2) - Norwich (Speed)
12. 07/10/00 (H) vs Norway (1-1) - Norwich (Blake)
13. 24/03/01 (A) vs Armenia (2-2) - Norwich (Hartson x2)
14. 01/09/01 (H) vs Armenia (0-0) - Norwich n/a
15. 06/10/01 (H) vs Belarus (1-0) - Norwich (Hartson) (92nd min sub)

15 apps, 0 goals. The Rambling Man 16:37, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Good work. As a glutton for punishment, I think we can nail this if we append to that list Welsh goalscorers from an RS. I'll start by nixing the "nil"s. --Dweller 16:46, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Gluttonisation over. Scorers added. No Roberts. The Rambling Man 17:21, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

I think that's excellent work and is a definitive answer. We should probably include a footnote referring to the two conflicting sources and refer here for the detail. TRM, could you indicate the source for the scorers' name? --Dweller 21:07, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

more articles

• gutted he never scored for Wales when he came closest

  dead as a dead thing --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 10:32, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

• publisher blurb for book, inc. some snippets of reviews

  Also deaded --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 10:33, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

• just check this out!

  Bizarre, not reliable and no longer needed. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 10:50, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

Might add more --Dweller 15:36, 14 November 2007 (UTC) And...

• [1]

   Done --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 13:04, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

• [2]

--Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 13:18, 8 April 2019 (UTC) The Rambling Man, any ideas how to find a copy of the first link mentioned above? --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 13:18, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

You just have the URL, no headline or author or publication date or anything? I can't see anything about it at all, just redirects back to the Find Articles homepage... The Rambling Man (talk) 13:59, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

Sources?

Possibly not a reliable source but sporting-heroes.net have some stats on his early career. allfootballers.com may have better info. 86.21.74.40 (talk) 03:41, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Seems pretty third-party to me. Thanks! --Dweller (talk) 14:33, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

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Is this source reliable?

[3] --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 15:33, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

On its own, I doubt it. If you can find it being used or referenced by other RS, then it should be fine. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:00, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

How about this? [4] --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 16:09, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Source re dementia research

• [5] --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 10:55, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
• [6] --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 16:06, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Tons of material in this one

[7] --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 11:41, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

 Done --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 13:24, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

Youth experience

• [8] --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 16:08, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
• [9] pages 19-21 --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 16:28, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
• [10] --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 16:37, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

International debut

[11] --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 16:35, 22 June 2020 (UTC)