Talk:Hugh Ellis-Nanney

Baronet of Gwynfryn and Cefndeuddwr.

I've spent the past month on and off composing a new article for Hugh Ellis-Nanney by scowerring the internet for facts, stories and topics of conversation. I believe I have done a good job with all the references and grammar work.

Please message or post in topic before making dramatic changes. Or if you have any personal questions for me, then find my link below. Cltjames (talk) 00:29, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

British politician

Can the article clarify in what sense the subject can be called a "British politician"? From the available material, I see only that he was an unsuccessful parliamentary candidate. KJP1 (talk) 17:43, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

@KJP1 Ok, thanks. I altered the article description and introduction to now state political candidate. Is this what you meant by clarify ? Cltjames (talk) 18:21, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Page move

cltjames - The page move from his name to Gwynfryn and Cefndeuddwr baronet is ridiculous, and not in compliance either with MoS, or with English usage. Baronets aren't dukes, and don't take the name of their baronetcy. His name is Hugh Ellis-Nanney and his title is Sir Hugh Ellis-Nanney, Bt. We don't call the Mark Thatcher page, Scotney baronet. Can it be changed back. KJP1 (talk) 16:12, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

@KJP1 Ok, well, if that's your opinion. So be it. Cltjames (talk) 16:13, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

It's not my opinion. It's how baronets are termed, here and in general. You have just misunderstood it, and made an ill-judged page move without asking advice. KJP1 (talk) 16:15, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

@KJP1 My thought process was there was only 1 Baronet, so it applies to him solely. But thanks for the advice, I've requested a revert. Cltjames (talk) 16:33, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

@KJP1 I've discovered the other article names for Hugh Ellis-Nanney.

• Ellis-Nanney baronets (wrong title) Right title. KJP1 (talk) 06:44, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
• Sir Hugh Ellis-Nanney
• Sir Hugh Ellis-Nanney, 1st Baronet

And now

• Gwynfryn and Cefndeuddwr baronet (mine). Wrong title. KJP1 (talk) 06:44, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

I think there are too many redirects for one person. Is it at all possible to delete all the multiple article titles? Also what is your opinion on me creating a new article solely for the Baronetcy of Gwynfryn and Cefneuddwr by moving paragraphs from one article to another, namely Gwynfryn and Cefndeuddwr ancestors. Just a thought, because the article seems to move away from the biography of Hugh and could do with breaking down the article into 2 articles, the Baronetcy and the individual. Cltjames (talk) 05:39, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

cltjames - Have a read of Baronet. You're confusing it with a peerage, which it isn't. The re-direct page Ellis-Nanney baronets is the right title. Your Gwynfryn and Cefndeuddwr baronet is not. Look at Thatcher baronets, or any other example in the [[Category:Baronetcies in the Baronetage of the United Kingdom]] If you want a page on the baronetcy, then the right title already exists, Ellis-Nanney baronets, although I'm not sure what would go in it, as there was only one. KJP1 (talk) 06:44, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

@KJP1:, I could simply move and add wording to an existing few paragraphs:-

Gwynfryn and Cefndeuddwr ancestors=== Nanney of Cefndeuddwr=== Ellis of Gwynfryn== Ellis-Nanney family== Gwynfryn and Cefndeuddwr family tree=== Please see Ellis-Nanney baronets for changes, feel free to talk. Cltjames (talk) 02:23, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

I have placed the redirect Gwynfryn and Cefndeuddwr baronet up for discussion here: Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 September 26. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 09:50, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

Requested move 24 September 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Page was moved back to this, its original title, per WP:RMUM. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 20:41, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

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(non-admin closure)

Gwynfryn and Cefndeuddwr baronet → Hugh Ellis-Nanney – For reasons spoken about in the talk, WP:MOS, it has been requested the article revert to it's original name. Cltjames (talk) 16:22, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

Support per nominator. Killuminator (talk) 19:14, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

• Procedural close This doesn't need a move request. Just revert the undiscussed move. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 20:35, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.