Talk:List of high commissioners for Palestine and Transjordan

Transjordan

High commissioner of Palestine did not oversee Transjordan, he was specifically allocated the area west of the Jordan River. Transjordan was a seperate entity ruled by Emir Abdullah I. Makeandtoss (talk) 15:10, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

Capitalisation

"High Commissioner" was a formal position title that had capital letters in all official documents. It is a proper noun, not a common noun capitalised for emphasis. For example, it had capitals throughout the document which defines the role and powers of the position, namely the The Palestine Order in Council. I also looked at many issues of the Palestine Gazette (the official publication of the Government of Palestine) and it always had capitals. The great majority of scholarly papers and books (though not all) also capitalise it. We should use capitals because that is the correct way of writing it. Moving back. Zero^talk 09:38, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

Gaps

There were several periods when the HC was away and an acting HC was in his place. These could be determined with some work using the Palestine Gazette. At the moment it gives the first and last date for each non-acting HC, which I guess is ok. Zero^talk 12:28, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

Commander-in-Chief

To editor Onceinawhile: To editor Selfstudier: I'll check again carefully before adding anything, but I think that for all HC's except Samuel their official appointment was High Commissioner and Commander-in-Chief. The Gazette has the texts of their appointments. In the case of Samuel, the text of his appointment does not appear in the Gazette and I think the role of Commander-in-Chief is not mentioned there until after the 1922 Order in Council. So the question is whether Samuel was Commander-in-Chief before then. Just now I found an interesting communique he wrote several days after his arrival in Palestine:

I have made no reference in any public statement to the fact that my own functions include those of Commander-in-Chief of the forces in Palestine. Without an explanation of the meaning to be attached to that title—and even with such an explanation—the public mind would be likely to be confused by its use, and the military authories embarrassed. (Samuel to Curzon, July 12, 1920; FO406_44/141 [E8599/85/44])

Do we know any good secondary sources on this issue? Zero^talk 11:35, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

See: Michael J Cohen (24 February 2014). Britain's Moment in Palestine: Retrospect and Perspectives, 1917-1948. Routledge. p. 97. ISBN 978-1-317-91364-1. ... was also the commander-in-chief, with the power of veto over decisions taken by the GOC. The latter assumed effective command only during the handful of short-lived periods of martial law.

Norman Bentwich would probably be the most precise on the legal nature of it. Onceinawhile (talk) 11:44, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

I'll have a look at what I have, this would have been a touchy subject because of the unclear status (civil/military) before the mandate was formalized.Selfstudier (talk) 11:57, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

At any rate , he signs himself as CiC in the this LoN doc of 30 July, 1921. It is a tricky business because Samuel only declared an end of war with Turkey in 1924 after Lausanne (OG 125) so technically, Palestine was still occupied territory until then although calling itself a civil administration. If Allenby was no longer CiC, someone had to be and who else could it have been in the circumstances? Selfstudier (talk) 17:49, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Although Samuel papers says, confusingly, "High Commissioner for Palestine 1920-1925 and also Commander-in-Chief there 1922-1925".Selfstudier (talk) 18:42, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

This seems conclusive acting, then formalized:

"His Majesty the King in Council enacted, on August 10th, 1922, the Palestine Order in Council, which defined the powers of the High Commissioner, prescribed the formation of an Executive Council and of a Legislative Council, and regulated the constitution and powers of the Palestine Judiciary, with special provisions for religious and for tribal Courts. The constitution and method of election of the Legislative Council were further defined in the Palestine Legislative Council Election Order, which was enacted at the same time. Both were promulgated in Palestine on the 1st of September, 1922. The formal Commission of His Majesty, appointing as High Commissioner and Commander in Chief for Palestine the Right Honourable Sir Herbert Samuel, G.B.E., who had been acting in that capacity since July 1st, 1920, was issued on August 14th. The oaths of office were administered at Jerusalem on September 11th by the Chief Justice." Selfstudier (talk) 18:46, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks O&S. Incidentally in internal correspondence for 1920–1922 I see Allenby called the "Commander-in-Chief in Egypt" whereas earlier he was the "Commander-in-Chief of the Egypt Expeditionary Force" or "Commander-in-Chief of OETA(S)". Zero^talk 06:31, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Requested move 21 August 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Speedily Moved. Per WP:SNOW and the countless prior discussions of highly similar natures. I don't see any reason to let this move stay open longer than necessary.(non-admin closure) estar8806 (talk) ★ 01:30, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

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• High Commissioners for Palestine and Transjordan → List of high commissioners for Palestine and Transjordan
• List of Australian High Commissioners to Kenya → List of high commissioners of Australia to Kenya
• List of Australian High Commissioners to Kiribati → List of high commissioners of Australia to Kiribati
• List of Australian High Commissioners to Fiji → List of high commissioners of Australia to Fiji
• List of Australian High Commissioners to Singapore → List of high commissioners of Australia to Singapore
• List of Guyanese High Commissioners to the United Kingdom → List of high commissioners of Guyana to the United Kingdom

– Per MOS:CAPS and MOS:JOBTITLES, also works to standardize all high commissioner page titles. Woko Sapien (talk) 19:02, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

• Support per nom and prior discussion at Talk:List of High Commissioners of the Faroe Islands#Requested move 15 August 2023. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 19:38, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
• Support per nom and prior discussion at Talk:List of High Commissioners of the Faroe Islands#Requested move 15 August 2023. Cinderella157 (talk) 23:20, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
• Support for the same reasons presented at the discussion mentioned above.--70.24.249.206 (talk) 23:28, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
• Support: Per nom and based on prior discussions. Hey man im josh (talk) 00:06, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
• Support per above. Parham wiki (talk) 00:17, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.