Talk:Hentai

Hentai "censored" photo

The hentai "censored" photo (under the section about Japanese censorship) might be censored to Japanese standards, but still overtly appeals to the prurient interest. I don't think this is the appropriate image to use; I think it should be removed. If replaced, the image should not needlessly depict sexual intercourse and shock unsuspecting viewers. Other images in this article and written descriptions already adequately describe various forms of hentai. Doveintime (talk) 20:55, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

• @Doveintime:: please see Help:Options to hide an image. Lectonar (talk) 12:35, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

  Oppose per WP:NOTCENSORED and all my comments below Rynoip (talk) 02:26, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

Support. --TrulyShruti ^{talk • sign} 20:57, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

Oppose per WP:NOTCENSORED Isla🏳️‍⚧ 21:24, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

Oppose per WP:NOTCENSORED same with above

Yutah123 (talk) 11:32, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

WP:NOTCENSORED isn't a justification for the image remaining there. To me, it seems like one can perfectly understand the subject matter without needing to see that image. It simply shocks the unsuspecting viewer, as @Doveintime said. I think it should be removed due to the little value it brings to the article. 21fafs (talk) 21:29, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Well, the user would search up hentai and assuming they would know what it is they wouldnt be shocked would they? Also if we just describe hentai without a picture it wouldnt be very helpful would it? also WP:NOTCENSORED by your logic many articles containing more "shocking" images would be deleted? Rynoip (talk) 23:41, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

"Also if we just describe hentai without a picture it wouldnt [sic] be very helpful would it?"

By this logic, we should add shocking images to every article that discusses potentially shocking content. There are all sorts of Wikipedia articles about various things, and the fact that Wikipedia is blind to objections about what should and shouldn't be discussed -- that is the true representation of what WP:NOTCENSORED is. It's not an excuse to put porn on an encyclopedia. There's a Wikipedia page for child pornography. Need we put in an image depicting child pornography? Oh, now you start to feel uncomfortable. Now you start to have reservations about what should and shouldn't be on Wikipedia. Whatever happened to WP:NOTCENSORED? Oh, is it because child pornography is illegal? So what you're saying is, if child pornography happened not to be illegal, you would have no discomfort or nausea about placing child pornography on Wikipedia? Surely not, because I don't doubt that you have some atom's weight of morality in you.

So please, let's keep Wikipedia a dignified, self-respecting resource -- not a teenager's masturbation aid. 21fafs (talk) 02:34, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Also here is WP:NOTCENSORED

Wikipedia may contain content that some readers consider objectionable or offensive‍—‌even exceedingly so. Attempting to ensure that articles and images will be acceptable to all readers, or will adhere to general social or religious norms, is incompatible with the purposes of an encyclopedia.

Content will be removed if it is judged to violate Wikipedia's policies (especially those on biographies of living persons and using a neutral point of view) or the law of the United States (where Wikipedia is hosted).

In CP it clearly violates the law of the United States however a hentai picture does not. Rynoip (talk) 22:42, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Yes, I mentioned that in my original comment. I was pointing out how that doesn't matter.

If CP was not illegal, would that change anything about the presence of child pornography on Wikipedia? Do you honestly think that child pornography has any place whatsoever in the world, let alone on Wikipedia? If you honestly think that the only thing preventing placement of CP on Wikipedia is the US law, then I don't respect you at all. But I have no doubt that you would also be against that.

So whether you like it or not, morality does play a part in what content gets to be on here and what doesn't. And arbitrarily drawing the line at child pornography makes no sense -- who are you to decide what is and isn't moral? 21fafs (talk) 22:37, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

"Well, the user would search up hentai and assuming they would know what it is they wouldnt be shocked would they?"

This makes no sense. A visitor to Wikipedia comes hoping to learn about a subject, not to look at images of what he already knows -- that's what Bing is for. And as has been said, one does not at all need a depiction for encyclopedia-level understandings of "art" genres. 21fafs (talk) 02:38, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

"So please, let's keep Wikipedia a dignified, self-respecting resource -- not a teenager's masturbation aid"

Who would masturbate using wikipedia? I guess the whole of wikipedia is now a porn site because we have a single image describing censored hentai? I guess people with gore addictions now use this as a gore site because of the images in many articles? If also a user comes to learn a subject wouldn’t they would want to see the subject itself? If you think WP:NOTCENSORED is wrong you can take it up to the people that made that rule. Rynoip (talk) 21:53, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

As I said here, I do not disagree with WP:NOTCENSORED in any way. The point of WP:NOTCENSORED is not to put porn on Wikipedia, it's about free speech. For example, Baidu Baike, the Chinese equivalent of Wikipedia, has no article on the Tiananmen Square massacre. It is heavily censored even to the point of inaccuracy by the Chinese government, despite being a collaborative effort like Wikipedia.

That's what WP:NOTCENSORED is about -- standing up against things like that. On Wikipedia, information will be presented about any topic, no matter how inconvenient that is for the powers that be. What WP:NOTCENSORED is not is an excuse to put pornography on Wikipedia. This has nothing to do with censorship. I am simply expressing my view, as a Wikipedian, on how an article should best be presented. If I am a censor, then anyone who deletes anything from Wikipedia is a censor. Let's say I go on the article for Netanyahu and put a giant turd in place of his picture. Then, naturally someone removes that. Is it fair for me to then cry about "WP:NOTCENSORED" and how actually, I'm allowed to put pictures of turds in place of people's faces (even if in that case, it is completely accurate)? Of course not. Use the intellect that I know you have. 21fafs (talk) 22:48, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

Im not sure how is "Let's say I go on the article for Netanyahu and put a giant turd in place of his picture." is relevant to this article. Putting a turd instead a picture of Netanyahu isnt relevant and is just straight up vandalism instead of this picture which is actually relevant and not vandalism. If you wanna express your views better please find a better example instead of putting turd picture. Rynoip (talk) 23:04, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

But don't you see, my point is that no sole user of Wikipedia can decide what is and isn't right according to their own opinions -- their must be an objective standard. By my standard, there's nothing wrong with putting a giant turd on Netanyahu's article because Netanyahu is a giant turd. By your standard, that is wrong.

In the same way -- by your standard, it's okay to have a hardcore pornographic image on a Wikipedia article, by my standard it is not.

Who decides who's right? 21fafs (talk) 23:07, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

"Who would masturbate using Wikipedia?"

This is a very ignorant question. Wikipedia is well known as one of the most frustrating sites for parents to work around because most filtering software do not block it, despite the abundance of pornography present. Teenagers whose parents have Internet restrictions set up on their devices regularly use Wikimedia sites as masturbation aids. There are dozens of Reddit threads about this, and if you've been a teenager at all since 2006 you'd know about the popularity of the technique. 21fafs (talk) 22:54, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

Oppose per WP:NOTCENSORED. I'm not sure why child pornography was brought up here as absolutely no context is given regarding an age from the artist who drew it. Artwork is subjective, we can't draw our own conclusions in this case unless more context is given. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 22:44, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

Please read carefully. I never mentioned that the image in question is child pornography. I was simply using an analogy to counter @Rynoip's comment "If we just describe hentai without a picture it wouldn't be very helpful would it?" -- I pointed out how by that logic, describing child pornography without a picture of child pornography wouldn't be helpful either. Which is obviously nonsensical, so the line of reasoning doesn't work. 21fafs (talk) 22:51, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

Clearly you have got it wrong, we can put up a picture of hentai because it does not violate US law and it is relevant to the article however CP is not legal in the US. Rynoip (talk) 22:59, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

If CP was legal, would you want to see CP on Wikipedia? 21fafs (talk) 23:04, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

Okay, I see what you mean now.... This image though has been targeted from the very moment it was placed. It used to be the lead image where it was shown uncensored which described the type of artwork Hentai is. I still think the image should be kept, but with the nipples were removed as that seems to be a breaking point for most manga publisher "One compromise is to show breasts without nipples, like a body stocking" [1] - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 23:08, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

Same I dont know why he mentioned "Let's say I go on the article for Netanyahu and put a giant turd in place of his picture." as it is not related at all to this picture Rynoip (talk) 22:58, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

I was making a point. Please read, don't skim. And if you struggle with reading comprehension, perhaps use ChatGPT to assist you? Tell it, "Can you please put this in terms that a five-year old could understand?" and then paste my comment. 21fafs (talk) 23:03, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

I put that comment in ChatGPT for you. Its output is exactly what I was trying to communicate. Read this and let me know if you disagree:

Imagine you have a big book where everyone can write and share information, but we have rules to make sure it stays helpful and clean. One rule says we should share true things, even if some people don’t like it. For example, in another book from a faraway place, they don’t talk about something very important because they don’t want people to know about it. But our book wants to tell the truth about everything, even if it's not always easy.

However, this rule doesn’t mean we can put anything silly or inappropriate in our book, like pictures of poop instead of a person's face. That’s not what this rule is for. It's about sharing useful and true information, not making the book messy. 21fafs (talk) 23:20, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

Putting a poop instead of someones face is definitely silly as you said, However this isn’t the circumstances. In this case the person is the the poop so it isn’t silly at all and it would be appropriate to put the picture of the poop if the person is the poop wouldn’t it? Rynoip (talk) 02:25, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

Support. See my other comments on this thread. 21fafs (talk) 23:15, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

so should the image be readded or not? it's been quite a while since the last activity here, do we have a verdict? 2A02:C7C:414E:A400:6CD7:7968:615:35B3 (talk) 22:25, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

also there's still a different image with uncensored covers of lots of hentai works on the page 2A02:C7C:414E:A400:6CD7:7968:615:35B3 (talk) 22:27, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

We do have a verdict. The image has no place here. 76.67.47.52 (talk) 22:28, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

Says who? Yourself? Most of us supports the image being here than not. Rynoip (talk) 22:47, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

Pretty much the entire "etymology" section is unnecessary and confusing

We don't need paragraphs on the etymology of the Japanese word "hentai", because it's irrelevant to the actual subject of the article which is only called "hentai" outside Japan. Eldomtom2 (talk) 12:24, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Still, imagining myself in the shoes of an average reader not knowledgeable about the topic, and I had just followed a link from another article to this page here, would not know that this is called hentai only outside of Japan. And as the article title is indeed Hentai, information about its etymology is imho pertinent to the article subject. Lectonar (talk) 12:53, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

I'm not talking about the "terminology" section, I'm talking about the "etymology" section.--Eldomtom2 (talk) 12:59, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Yes, me too. I for one like to know where words which designate things come from. Lectonar (talk) 13:18, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Most articles don't have six paragraphs and a table on the etymology of a foreign loanword.--Eldomtom2 (talk) 21:22, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

See Wiktionary. 21fafs (talk) 23:37, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

Wiki Education assignment: University Writing 1020 Communicating Feminism TR 10 am

This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 20 August 2024 and 10 December 2024. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Mater.mn, Clarafication5, Av gow (article contribs). Peer reviewers: Kcehlelny, Lucy.lott, Maevarulis.

— Assignment last updated by Cjsmith7 (talk) 14:42, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 October 2024

hello there! I found some copyright violations in the existing main image of an example of hentai so I request you to please change the image to

Hentai1

or

Hentai2 (this one is better as it is censored) Ritvik Rosh (talk) 17:21, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: What copyright violations? The image appears to be the work of an editor on Wikipedia so you'd need to point out the violation. Also, your proposed 2nd image is almost certainly a violation itself Cannolis (talk) 19:40, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

Societal Impacts of Hentai

Since hentai has made a significant societal impact, we added a section on the connections between hentai and rape myths as well as the fetishization of asian women (especially japanese women).

We contributed to this page as part of our class assignment. Therefore, there is more context and information that can be added, especially with the connections between hentai and the racialization of women which can be substantiated with more research as it is found or conducted.

Although there is extensive research on regular pornography and rape myths, with hentai specifically, the topic is not as throughly researched as of current.

As this is a developing topic that is impacting society in real time, updating this section would provide a more accurate illustration. Clarafication5 (talk) 15:05, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 October 2024

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Can you add some more pictures

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Danski454 (talk) 22:20, 15 October 2024 (UTC)