Talk:Hating America: The New World Sport

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Requested move 20 May 2018

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: consensus not to discuss these changes as a multimove, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 04:47, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

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• Hating America: The New World Sport → Hating America
• Keepers of the Flame: Understanding Amnesty International → Keepers of the Flame
• Nuclear Weapons: The Road to Zero → Nuclear Weapons
• The New Class: An Analysis of the Communist System → The New Class
• Bloody Nasty People: The Rise of Britain's Far Right → Bloody Nasty People
• Future Jihad: Terrorist Strategies Against America → Future Jihad
• Palestinian Textbooks: From Arafat to Abbas and Hamas → Palestinian Textbooks
• Prepared for the Worst: Selected Essays and Minority Reports → Prepared for the Worst
• The Road to Unfreedom: Russia, Europe, America → The Road to Unfreedom
• Arab and Jew: Wounded Spirits in a Promised Land → Arab and Jew
• An American Son: A Memoir → An American Son
• A Full Life: Reflections at 90 → A Full Life
• History of American Trotskyism, 1928–38, Report of a Participant → History of American Trotskyism, 1928–38
• My Awakening: A Path to Racial Understanding → My Awakening
• Original Meanings: Politics and Ideas in the Making of the Constitution → Original Meanings
• Numerican Nation: A Self Portrait → Numerican Nation
• ...The Heavens and the Earth: A Political History of the Space Age → ...The Heavens and the Earth
• The End of Protest: A New Playbook for Revolution → The End of Protest
• The End of America: Letter of Warning to a Young Patriot → The End of America
• Deer Hunting With Jesus: Dispatches From America's Class War → Deer Hunting With Jesus
• A Call to Action: Women, Religion, Violence, and Power → A Call to Action
• Big Coal: The Dirty Secret Behind America's Energy Future → Big Coal
• American Foreign Policy: Three Essays → American Foreign Policy: Three Essays
• Nuclear Terrorism: The Ultimate Preventable Catastrophe → Nuclear Terrorism

– Per WP:SUBTITLE, WP:SMALLDETAILS and WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Note that Hating America: A History was deleted for lack of notability. 174.5.227.8 (talk) 05:38, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

This is a contested technical request (permalink). Hhkohh (talk) 15:59, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

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• Most of these seem fine as is, although some of the moves make sense. But many of the suggested moves would be complicated or confuse readers by their shortened names (i.e. Nuclear Terrorism, Big Coal, Arab and Jew, A Full Life, Nuclear Weapons, American Jihad, A Call to Action, etc.), most of which could not be used without a further descriptor. Ideas? Randy Kryn (talk) 12:49, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

• Often the full page name is needed to make it clear what the article is about. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 16:26, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

• Tentatively support the moves to the redlinked titles and those that already redirect to the works in question (e.g. Bloody Nasty People). Oppose the others that do not (e.g. Nuclear Terrorism). However, these need to be checked on a case-by-case basis as some of the proposed titles such as Keepers of the Flame appear OK but are also ambiguous (nb Keeper of the Flame and the redirect, Keepers of the Flame Fraternity). Overall, this is an unwieldy multi-move and might be better broken up. —  AjaxSmack  16:59, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

..............we can't evaluate this pile all in one lot. Let the nom do some homework, check in books and article content, and then propose those that pass WP:TITLE and WP:DAB one at a time. The above bulk multi-nom is clearly unresearched. In ictu oculi (talk) 10:43, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose all for now - there are too many individual issues to handle these in a batch like this. Some suggestions are fine, others like Arab and Jew could easily be confused for other topics. -- Netoholic @ 18:04, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

• Strong procedural oppose each of these should be discussed separately, they all of separate issues. The other articles potentially ambiguous with or other candidates for primary topic are different in each case where those other topics exist. -- 65.94.42.219 (talk) 05:00, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
• Comment the nominator has provided no evidence of primary topicness, for every single case as each case is different. Thus this is a defective nomination -- 65.94.42.219 (talk) 05:02, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose all: shortened titles will confuse readers. – Lionel^(talk) 08:29, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose all and WP:SNOW speedy close. In ictu oculi (talk) 10:40, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

@In ictu oculi: We cannot WP:SNOW close due to the partly support vote of AjaxSmack. Hhkohh (talk) 11:00, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

That's true - but @AjaxSmack: also said "Overall, this is an unwieldy multi-move and might be better broken up." so this would be SNOW for a break up, not a close and don't come back. In ictu oculi (talk) 11:17, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

Close this. —  AjaxSmack  04:00, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose all - They need to be discussed separately, this is much too large of a move nomination when each case is potentially different._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 10:07, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose all - agree that these should be discussed separately — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jaldous1 (talk • contribs)

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