Talk:Flag of the United States

Prospect Hill flag debate

I haven't looked closely at the article right now, and may not do so for a while, but I'm not sure why a controversy about the flag used on a specific occasion in 1775 (almost two years before the flag which is the topic of this article was first adopted) is important enough to this article to add 1,683 bytes about it. AnonMoos (talk) 07:40, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

It makes some sense. The 1775 event is pretty important to the kind of dorks (me) who get into the history of the design. But, the section is a bit of a jumble and some editor (probably also me) should trim it down. That particular addition of 1,683 bytes is mostly sources, not so much article text. Jno.skinner (talk) 06:49, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Error in image?

It looks to me like the image of the flag at the top of the article only has 45 stars (nine rows of 5). Is this an error? DavidPBaril (talk) 14:59, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

@Dpbaril There’s 5 rows of 6 stars and 4 rows of 5 stars. Alexysun (talk) 08:18, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

There are now! (2024-08-28) I guess it was corrected after my comment. DavidPBaril (talk) 18:34, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

@Dpbaril On review, it looks like a rendering problem in the Wikipedia app on my phone. When I click on the image and view the underlying file, it displays the full image with all the stars. But, for some reason, the image displayed in the article view crops out the left edge of the image including the first column of stars. I tried altering the display settings on my phone (Samsung Galaxy S22 Ultra) but the image is still truncated. I wonder if anyone else has the same experience. 142.112.242.76 (talk) 20:29, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

Stars and Stripes Lafayette

Reference 3 does not confirm that the Marquis de Lafayette coined the phrase "stars and stripes." Is there a source that does? I found nothing with a quick search. 168.91.171.110 (talk) 17:03, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for pointing this out. The claim about Lafayette appears quite suspect and anyhow does not belong in the lead section. I have removed it. Jno.skinner (talk) 06:39, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Gold Fringe Flag

The first paragraph of "DECORATION" says "Citation needed." It's Army Regulation 840-10, 2-3, b & c. That's the ONLY regulation and truly the official regulation describing and codifying "the gold fringe" on the flag. The gold fringe _is_decoration... for a military flag. Not making this connection is doing reads a disservice to humanity.

The Gold fringe doesn't limit the universal law of war jurisdiction of a gold fringe tribunal ("military courtroom", as defined by Army Regulation 840-10, 2-3, b & c4) and Law of War Manual (2023). None of the rulings about "the gold fringe flag" actually contradict Army Regulation 840-10, 2-3, b & c4. Go read them carefully, in legalese.

In Department of Defense Military tribunals, under law of war, against actual officers, They have and use a gold fringe flag as part of Army Regulation 840-10, 2-3, b & c4. In a judicial context, they are "Military Courtroom" Tribunals by law.

Why are "civilian" courts literally using the same gold fringe flag as DoD Military Tribunals on officers? In this light, those "sovereign citizens and tax conspiracy protestors" do actually seem to be pointing to ACTUAL ARMY REGULATION and it's abuse in civilian courts. Are they wrong? Why won't anyone in positions of authority explain why both DoD Military tribunals, under law of war via gold fringe flag, and "civilian courts" use the same gold fringe flag?

Where are our actual legitimate law of peace courts without gold fringe flag? the legal term "DISTRICT", as in "DISTRICT COURT," does seem to have military implications. 98.148.220.167 (talk) 04:17, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

The gold fringe appears to have more importance in certain fringe conspiracy theories than it does in actual U.S. government use of flags. AnonMoos (talk) 21:33, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

Example conspiracy theory: Tax protester conspiracy arguments § Conspiracy arguments in general. –jacobolus (t) 21:58, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

As I said on this very talk page 11 years ago, "It's batshit crazy Sovereign Citizen conspiracy claptrap." --jpgordon^{𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇} 23:27, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

Alternate 50 star flag?

7-7-7-8-7-7-7 - 50 star flag in a display on Ellis Island

I saw this image in a display at the immigration museum on Ellis Island, in November 2024. I'm guessing it was never used as a flag, and was just an artist's impression from the time, used in a Hawaiian newspaper. Initially, I thought it was 7x7 with 49 stars, then noticed that the middle row has 8 stars, so it's 7-7-7-8-7-7-7 for 50 stars.

I just thought it might be worth a mention, in case it had any prominence, and was just overlooked. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dcrafti (talk • contribs) 00:47, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

It's similar to some US flags used before 1912, but I doubt that there was much chance of it ever becoming the official 50-star flag design, since it lacks visual balance... AnonMoos (talk) 00:47, 4 December 2024 (UTC)