Talk:Fictional world of The Hunger Games

Errors

Corrected several spelling and other errors. Jlodman (talk) 03:20, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Appreciated --Glimmer721 (talk) 20:42, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Would it be possible to add info on Annie Cresta (on the district 4 bit) i.e. 'Annie only won her game after the arena was flooded, and being from district 4, she grew up swimming, and survived. As a result of the games she suffered from mental instablity due to seeing her district partner decapitated' —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.28.150.81 (talk) 15:52, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Good idea, but that most of that is already in the List of characters in the Hunger Games trilogy page. She's listed under "Others." I think this article is mostly about the Districts themselves, with just a little information about the characters from them. Details about the people can be found and added in the list. -Pandawing$: (talk) 03:10, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

District 11 is in the South and Wiki has it in the North. See Catching Fire, Chapter 4. (Tsihtyma (talk) 00:31, 3 April 2012 (UTC)Tsihtyma)

Fix it then. BE BOLD - M0rphzone (talk) 06:13, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

 Done -- No need to check; it is corrected. TNKS, AstroU (talk) 04:13, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

Victory Tour

Shouldn't there be a section about the Victory Tour that winners of the Hunger Games have to go on? I'd write it myself, but I don't have enough time.--173.17.193.34 (talk) 01:53, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

Copy editing

I've added the tag to let people know about the issues with this article. Many sections need to be copy edited and revised to follow the same style as the lead and the first few sections. There are also some awkward constructions that'll need to be revised. - M0rphzone (talk) 18:39, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

I worked on grammatical and flow issues in the following sections: Introduction, "The Capitol" and the first sentence of "District 1". Funnyhaha71 (talk) 22:50, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Spell Checked

I have spell checked the entire article, and I have fixed all spelling errors.KF5LLG (talk) 03:45, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Did you spot any grammatical mistakes? cat2006house (talk) 6:59, 12 September 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.40.211.102 (talk)

Dubious

I don't believe that following statement is supported by the text of the books "Although not gone into further in the trilogy, the Wolf Mutts are a result of the Capitol mutating dead tributes with wolves." It's never explained explicitly how the Wolf Mutters were created. When Katniss encounters the jabberjays in the second book, it is explained to her the Capitol often uses tricks that have psychological effects. She is told that it wasn't necessary for Prim to be harmed to create the cries produced by the jabberjays. I don't have the book with me to check, but I think it might also be mentioned at this point that the similarity between the Wolf Mutts and dead tributes was a trick. --LikeFunYouAre (talk) 00:38, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

tag spam

I think the article contains way too many tags. Someone with love for tags added numerous tags most of which are superfluous. If you believe something needs to be done about the article do it yourself instead of flooding it with tags. And, in addition, whoever has added all those tags has not had the courtesy to say what he or she actually claims to be wrong with the article. --91.52.34.184 (talk) 09:49, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

I don't know who tagged this, but tbh, this article really does have this many issues. It's not encyclopedic at all...with only 6 references. There are too many implied meanings or assumptions. This needs more references, or some assertions and assumptions might be removed (Not me doing it, btw, other people). Here are some guidelines to follow: WP:ORIGINAL, WP:RELIABLESOURCES, WP:BEBOLD, WP:NPOV, WP:NOT#FANSITE, and WP:MOS. - M0rphzone (talk) 07:01, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

I started some clean up and put some cn tags, hoping a fan might come by and add the book and page number the info was found in. I created this article but I haven't read the books in a while and I never memorized the little things the fans keep putting in. Glimmer721 ^talk 21:28, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

Title

The title should be "Panem" to clear up any confusion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.81.216.28 (talk) 15:16, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

Copyediting

I've removed the grammar template because I think I've cleared up almost all of the problems in that regard. It certainly still needs additional sourcing. I am increasingly less concerned about the fan's-POV thing, but I'll leave it up in case anyone wants to try to tackle it. Evanh2008 (talk) (contribs) 10:31, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

"Bread and circuses"?

Yeah, I know in the book "Panem et circenses" is translated to "bread and circuses", but I as a German who has learnt a little Latin believe "bread and games" would a) be more like a pun with the title "Hunger Games" and b) a better translation for Latin "circuses" as AFAIK "circus" of course origins from Latin "circus" meaning not only the building and arena but the event itself. Wouldn´t be "bread and games" better? --Tallyho (talk) 19:24, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

You are right about (a) and (b). What you may not realize is that "bread and circuses" is a customary (perhaps archaic) translation of the Latin phrase and thus a phrase people are already familiar with. It rings a bell, and, conversely, its alteration would call attention to itself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.76.205.255 (talk) 04:22, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

That is the customary and commonly understood translation of the term. Since it is also primary-sourced, used by Suzanne Collins herself (see my reference below), that should pretty well settle it for our purposes. JustinTime55 (talk) 17:39, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

Facebook game

Some additions have been made based on information revealed in the Facebook game, The Hunger Games Adventures. We need to establish consensus on the use of such information. (1) Should the game be considered canon, e.g. is it authorized by the writer Suzanne Collins to accurately represent the Hunger Games universe in continuity with the books? (2) What sourcing is required for these additions? Is it acceptable to cite the game itself as a primary source, or should we use a higher standard, such as coverage of the game in reliable secondary sources? I have no answer to (1) as I have not investigated it yet. To (2) I think we should observe a mix, where simple facts that can be gleaned in a straightforward manner can be cited to the game itself, while any analysis should require stronger sources. Elizium23 (talk) 20:48, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

Hunger Games subheadings

I added a subheading "Let the Games begin"

I'm sure there is a better title to use; however, I hope this will start a discussion on words we should use.--S trinitrotoluene (talk) 05:55, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Victory Tour

I added a section for The Victory Tour. I hope that people will add more information to it. I don't have much time to add more info to it. --Ken Seh (talk) 00:41, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

After the final war 75 years after, Thirteen eventually becomes the actual capitol.

I moved the following from the Main Page. Anyone know the source for this statement?

• After the final war 75 years after, Thirteen eventually becomes the actual capitol.

HullIntegrity (talk) 13:04, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

Better title?

Surely there can be a better title for this article. "The hunger games universe" sounds incredibly awkward. How about simply "Panem" since the whole story takes place there? 110.22.123.142 (talk) 15:34, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

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Temporal and geographical setting

OK, I'm no expert but the books themselves don't specify where or when this takes place. If Collins has stated this elsewhere then this should be cited, if not, we should not include any assumptions. Otherwise, it could be a parallel universe, a different planet or any time and any part of the world. Btljs (talk) 15:50, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

Making assumptions like "the Capitol is in the Rocky Mountains" is a bit like saying that Lord of the Rings takes place in Wales. Btljs (talk) 07:47, 17 April 2016 (UTC)

Try reading the books again; they most certainly do specify where this takes place. Several passages state quite explicitly that Panem exists in our (unspecified) future:

• The Hunger Games, page 18: "He [mayor of District 12] tells of the history of Panem, the country that rose up out of the ashes of a place that was once called North America." "...disasters, droughts, storms, fires, encroaching seas," and a "brutal war" led to the replacement of the US and Canada with Panem.
• Page 41: "In school, they tell us the Capitol was built in a place once called the Rockies. District 12 was in a region known as Appalachia. Even hundreds of years ago, they mined coal here." JustinTime55 (talk) 17:10, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
• In Mockingjay, p. 223: Plutarch Heavensbee tells Katniss: "It's [Panem et Circenses] a saying from thousands of years ago, written in a language called Latin about a place called Rome," he explains. JustinTime55 (talk) 12:25, 28 July 2016 (UTC)

There are also a couple of interesting passages, I believe in Mockingjay (I have to look them up), where Plutarch Heavensbee discusses some aspects of history with Katniss that she apparently wasn't taught in school: the definition of a republic, and the abdication of the right of self-governance that the Latin phrase panem et circenses ("bread amd circuses") implies. I find it quite interesting that Suzanne Collins takes a shot at us today, when Katniss says something to the effect that we don't really think ahead or care about her generation.

• Mockingjay, pp. 82-83:

"If we win, who would be in charge of the government?" Gale asks.

"Everyone," Plutarch tells him. "We're going to form a republic where the people of each district and the Capitol can elect their own representatives to be their voice in a centralized government. Don't look so suspicious, it's worked before."
"In books," Haymich mutters.

"In history books," says Plutarch. "And if our ancestors could do it, then we can, too."

• And the shot at us, that I found so interesting: Frankly, our ancestors don't seem much to brag about. I mean, look at the state they left us in, with the wars and the broken planet. Clearly, they didn't care about what would happen to the people who came after them." JustinTime55 (talk) 19:49, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

Seems like it's the US to me. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 12:59, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

Transvestites

I have only seen the films, but a lot of the people in the capitol appear to be men dressed as women. At one point I seem to remember the character of Effie Trinket adopting a man's voice to provide a voiceover during a propaganda film. Maybe this is explained in the books, but I'm unclear whether these people are supposed to be male or female or something else. If there is an in-universe explanation, it should be mentioned in this article. 92.2.204.198 (talk) 09:45, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

No, she was mouthing the words. The voiceover was a pre-recorded narrator. 79.64.223.29 (talk) 23:38, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

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Map

That map is not remotely close to being accurate. --Daeseunglim (talk) 16:34, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

Agreed. Isn't District 2 supposed to be close to the Capital? It even says so on the article!

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It is considered original research. It should not be on the page. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:No_original_research/Noticeboard#Hunger_Games_map_of_Panem Afheather (talk) 21:42, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Being Bold

In the spirit of 'being bold', and initially just to tidy up a couple of things in the first sentence or two, I've ended up rewriting quite a chunk of the opening section, down to the first line of the 'The Capitol' subsection under 'Panem'. If nobody takes umbrage and reverts it all I'll try to get back and run through a little more when I have chance. I only really came here looking to remind myself what the wasps were called and ended up sitting here for half an hour... Also please forgive (better yet, correct), any inadvertent British spellings I may have introduced - although I don't think any sneaked in. - XantheK (talk) 19:50, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

Muttations

In the books, the modified animals are called muttations, not mutations. Therefore, this article should refer to them as muttations. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Afheather (talk • contribs) 13:10, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

Yes, once in a while, the uninitiated will come by and attempt to "correct" the "error" but this is like British-English spelling variations, we just revert it back, there's not much else we can do about it, except place a hidden comment, but even those don't help 100%. Elizium23 (talk) 14:48, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

sources

which is considered more correct as the source, the movie or the books, the beginning of the article attaches much significance to the movies and i do not think that is correct at all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SubstantialCitrusFruit (talk • contribs) 00:13, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

SubstantialCitrusFruit, we usually attempt to document both of them and note the differences where they occur. I am not sure if Suzanne Collins has made a statement of canon, or if the WikiProject has decided on precedence. As far as I am concerned, they are both relatively equal. That being said, more people have probably seen the films than read the books, and so they come here with that bias. Elizium23 (talk) 00:43, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

At first, the peacekeepers look like angels, but they are opposite. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jill44 (talk • contribs) 12:59, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

American English

This article has been tagged {{Use American English}} since 2016. All the other articles in this topic area use American English. This is consistent with the American WP:TIES of the series: (former) United States setting (yes there's some of Canada), novels written in American English, author Suzanne Collins is American. We do not foresee a rationale for changing that. The article needed copyediting because of inconsistent style; thank you. Elizium23 (talk) 10:33, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

@Twofingered Typist: per article tag? I think not. Elizium23 (talk) 13:54, 15 February 2021 (UTC)