Talk:Erasmus Programme

Merge?

don't think its appropriate to merge ESN page with the erasmus page because the two things are separate entities. One is an official E.C. program. The other is a student's association.

• Personally I wouldn't mind a merge if one of the articles was a stub however both are good articles in their own right and are capable of standing alone. -- Lochaber 08:35, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

There should be a link between these articles but they shouldn't be merged. The ESN doesn't represent all Erasmus students, for example it is not particularly active in the UK, but the information on the Erasmus Programme and the 'Erasmus Experience' are universal for all Erasmus students 129.12.200.49 16:16, 4 October 2005 (UTC)UK Socrates Erasmus Council

Europe-building?

I think it would be interesting to add something about the long terms effect on Europe of the Erasmus programme. Almost 1.5 million students have now lived in another country and made lots of European friends. This must be having an effect on culture and Europe as a whole. Anybody got any links to interesting data on this? Hamster128 10:41, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

I read a newspaper article quoting the political scientist Stefan Wolff on this topic (see here). Cordless Larry 23:21, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

erasmus and erasmus mundus

these two programs are quite different.One is for the European students and in the other Europeans students are only exceptionally allowed. The latter is for the third country nationals. By no stretch of imagination, they can be clubbed together.

Is this a coincidence?

Is it coincidence that the latest entries in the Dune series of novels includes a character with this name? The books are Dune: The Butlerian Jihad, Dune: The Machine Crusade, Dune: The Battle of Corrin, and Hunters of Dune. One more, Sandworms of Dune is due out next year. The character is a sentient robot. See more about this robot at Erasmus (Dune) Will (Talk - contribs) 02:09, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

mention award

Maybe we should mention the programme received the Prince of Asturias Awards for international cooperation in 2004 --euyyn 20:02, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Update in 2007

Quite a lot has changed recently. I have tried to incorporate some of the new stuff (like the new programme) and to add some info about earlier years. Raggio 22:51, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Spelling

(heading added subsequently)

Also, program is continually misspelled. Correct this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.126.181.10 (talk • contribs) 2007-06-18

"Programme" is correct European English spelling. --Boson 11:42, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Spam Blacklist

There are several external links that are on the spam blacklists. I don't feel qualified to decide whether they or any variant of them should remain on or be removed from the page, but they're preventing further edits to the article. 69.138.244.13 (talk) 00:51, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

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Acronym

According to this page the acronym stands for "EuRopean Community Action Scheme for the Mobility of University Students" while on the European integration page it is explained as "European Region Action Scheme for the Mobility of University Students", which is the correct version? --Khajidha (talk) 15:09, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

Merger proposal

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The result of this discussion was no consensus. MartinZ02 (talk) 19:03, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

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I propose Erasmus Mundus be merged into Erasmus Programme. I began editing this article only to find that a substantially similar yet much fuller treatment of this subject is already present at Erasmus programme. I note in 2007 there was a commentleft herein that this page should be preserved. However the EU org itself treats "erasmus Mundus" and "erasmus programme" within the same context so it seems that wikipedia should do the same.ejly (talk) 03:41, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

erasmus is for European nationals, mundus is for third country nationals. The purpose and scope of these two different,even in the judgement of EU. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.110.247.221 (talk) 10:28, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

Erasmus Mundus doesn't exist as a separate programme anymore; it is a constituent component of Erasmus . I am going to merge. Int21h (talk) 06:39, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

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Please do NOT merge

Erasmus Mundus is not the same as the Erasmus Programme. The Erasmus programme is an exchange program for short term European student mobility (1 or 2 funded exchange semesters). Meanwhile, Erasmus Mundus is an independent programme managed by the EACEA, which includes Erasmus Mundus Masters Courses (EMMCs) and Erasmus Mundus Joint Doctorates (EMJDs), which are full degree programs (non-exchange in academic nature), but nevertheless include exchange elements (i,e. educational mobility). The difference between Erasmus exchange programme and Erasmus Mundus is tremendous, the only similarity is the word Erasmus which is creating some sort of public confusion about the 2 programs. It is true that Erasmus Mundus was initially designed for the sole attention of non-european students interested in studying at European universities and obtaining European degrees, but in fact and since the early editions, provisions were made available for European students to join the same programs, but with less overall funding and less student scholarship support. I do not recommend merging the pages (Erasmus Programme) and (Erasmus Mundus) as this will only create more confusion to the general public. Please note that the new edition of the Erasmus Mundus programme has been rebranded to Erasmus , this does not mean the Erasmus Mundus program is void or "gone". Like most large-scale European initiatives, these programs go through periodic planning and funding through the European Parliament (example: EU-FP7, which has now turned into EU-H2020).

Criticism

How about a paragraph on criticism versus the programme, such as increase of subjects taught only in English and not in the native language for the benefit of Erasmus students, that many Erasmus students are only interested in partying, the costs etc.2A00:C440:20:E68:B88B:77C3:2962:3F10 (talk) 22:50, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

France, Germany and the United Kingdom were broadly hostile

By the time the Erasmus Programme was adopted in June 1987, the European Commission had been supporting pilot student exchanges for 6 years. It proposed the original Erasmus Programme in early 1986, but reaction from the then Member States varied: those with substantial exchange programmes of their own (essentially France, Germany and the United Kingdom) were broadly hostile; the remaining countries were broadly in favour.

I am writing about the history of Erasmus / Erasmus Student Network, especiall Germany. If anybody has a source or more information about it, I will be happy. Pleace contact me. --Maschinenjunge (talk) 21:06, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

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SMS and SMP

Hi, in this article we really need to include the terms SMS and SMP. These acronyms are used everywhere when applying for Erasmus. SMS is Student Mobility for Studies while SMP is Student Mobility of Placement. The former is for an Erasmus study exchange, while the latter is regarding the Erasmus traineeship experience (such as internship, etc.). It would help a lot of students if the information (and even what the acronyms stand for....) for SMS and SMP were included in the article. Where should we put it? --Blue.painting (talk) 16:00, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

I just implemented this addition of SMS and SMP, and I put it in the Erasmus Programme#Details section. Cheers. --Blue.painting (talk) 16:23, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

Improvements

Hi, I'm it:User:Silvia bruni1, librarian at the University of Florence (Social science library). We organised a Wikipedia course. The Erasmus students improved this Wikipedia article.Silvia bruni1 (talk) 10:59, 6 July 2019 (UTC)

Great, thanks! I also did a minor fix; in general <ref> tags come after the period of a sentence, unless it is citing something within the sentence. Best regards, --Blue.painting (talk) 11:29, 6 July 2019 (UTC)

erasmus murcia money ball

so many scholarship programs like erasmus among european countries .isep between the usa and europe..the strange thing is that the money should go to those who need it.. not to those who have best grades.in murcia many kids families have money to pay for private schools where they get better education and those very kids win scholarship money erasmus to go to other countries.. in a sense they recuperate the money spent on private schools.. its great to allow them to go but they shouldn't get any hand outs.. they can pay for the year.. the money should go to those with top grades and financial needs.. and then they should pay back by working for the public good..in other countries like germany france the money is help .not reward for good grades..the ability to go to be accepted is the reward..we work with hundreds of students in murcia who want erasmus americus and isept becas or scholarships and it really is scandalous when kids from super rich families who have private classes everyday in every subject form english to science..win the money .and the other kids who is a tenth of a point behind in grades loses. maybe its time to invest in ourselves and separate theses scholarships in 2 parts.. the money part should be limosna or a hand out.. not a reward for good grades..that way both kids go.. the rich kid pays and the other kids gets the money..money or free education is not a reward for good grades.. its an investment we all pay to help those unable to pay... and must be returned with public service — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.144.105.22 (talk) 08:22, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

harvard money ball

for example one can be accepted to harvard as i was in 1983 form y phd in education. after they told me id get money cause i couldnt pay the 60000 euros a year.. but other kids with better grades who also got in had to pay full cause their parents had the money.thats the money ball done right..money is not a reward for good grades.. when one works hard its a reward in your job.. but a university must ask each family to pay what it can..even in a public university first accept the students THEN ask what can you afford.. those who have money should pay..why the heck do kids whos parents earn millions get a free education and kids just a bit behind in grades who cant afford it go elsewhere. harvard does it right.. there is a webpage called harvard https://college.harvard.edu/financial-aid/net-price-calculator go there to see how each family has to pay what they can regardless of grades.. many times the top grade kid pays all while number 2 pays nothing..

teacher mobility

I added a paragraph about the Erasmus teacher mobility, which despite non being so popular as student mobility, belongs to the core part of the programme. Usually student mobility works well between two universities when also their teachers know each other and take part in the mobility, and agree to renew the Erasmus bilateral agreement when it expires (every 7 years, but the cycle duration may change in time). Erasmus23ab (talk) 22:30, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Proposed edits on the origins of the programme

Hello Wikipedia editors,

I am Anne, and I work for the Erasmus programme. While I understand there might be concerns about my affiliation, my aim here is to enhance the page's accuracy.

Indeed, I have identified some historical inaccuracies, particularly in the paragraph explaining the creation of the Erasmus programme, and I believe we should provide a more accurate account of its history for Wikipedia users. Based on my research and insights, the programme's origins can be traced back to a series of significant events that can be found on the official European Commission page of the programme:
- 1973-1976: first Education Action Programme at European level is established
- 1976-1987: laying the pre-Erasmus foundations with the “Joint Study Programme” (JSP) scheme in higher education. More and more universities and students start to take part, helping to build mobility and interchange partnerships and joint curricula development.
- 1985-1987: development and negotiation of the “Erasmus” proposal. In 1985, the Directorate for Education and Training presents its proposal to the Council and European Parliament. The “Erasmus” programme is adopted by the Council on 15 June 1987, and officially launched on 1 July 1987.

Your feedback and assistance are greatly appreciated to improve the page.

Anne AnneBurinDesRoziersChabot (talk) 09:15, 8 September 2023 (UTC)