Talk:Emirati passport
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editPassport pages are not for competition so that some editors can add up more and more countries to the visa-free section. Please don't ruin the efforts of the previous editors. RegardsMajalinno (talk) 19:04, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
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edit- The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
Not moved. See clear agreement below to continue with the present title of this article. There appears to be no reason to keep this open any longer. Have a Great Day and Happy Publishing! (nac by page mover) Paine Ellsworth, ed. put'r there 18:41, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
Emirati passport → UAE passport – per WP:COMMONNAME and wikilinking of this article from other articles. The Common name in the Media is UAE passport. Google News hits for the keyword "UAE passport" gave 58,800 results where as "Emirati passport" gave a miniscule 294 results. See this news example. UAE passport now world's 3rd most powerful DBigXrayᗙ 12:21, 11 November 2018 (UTC)--Relisting. Dreamy Jazz 🎷 talk to me | my contributions 21:33, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
Update: Added Google news evidence in support of my proposal above, since some folks are opposing below. --DBigXrayᗙ 14:59, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
Support: "UAE passport" is far and away more common than "Emirati passport". --Woofboy (talk) 03:37, 12 November 2018 (UTC)Changed to oppose: after considering the discussion below, a redirect from "UAE passport" to "Emirati passport" would be best solution to me because Emirati passport is the proper name. --Woofboy (talk) 15:22, 12 November 2018 (UTC)- Oppose As per British passport(rather than UK passport). It's fine as it is... and the redirect from UAE passport is working just fine... Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 08:55, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose I'll have to oppose this as well per WP:CONSISTENCY. The country adjective is "Emirati" as seen in articles such as Mohammad Iqbal (Emirati cricketer) and Al-Ittihad (Emirati newspaper) and as the name of the people Emiratis. Additionally, as Alexandermcnabb said, both the British and United States passport don't use abbreviation and use the adjectival instead. --Gonnym (talk) 09:01, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
- Folks opposing the proposal, Gonnym, Alexandermcnabb,please provide the evidence that the common name used by the main stream media is Emirati passport?DBigXrayᗙ 09:08, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
- I don't need to. COMMONNAME is not the only criteria for naming an article and I've provided both a rational and a policy backed argument. Don't force your opinions on others. --Gonnym (talk) 09:10, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
- Well without solid evidence your !vote will be discounted.--DBigXrayᗙ 09:33, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
- /sigh. --Gonnym (talk) 09:37, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
- Well without solid evidence your !vote will be discounted.--DBigXrayᗙ 09:33, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
- I don't need to. COMMONNAME is not the only criteria for naming an article and I've provided both a rational and a policy backed argument. Don't force your opinions on others. --Gonnym (talk) 09:10, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
https://www.government.ae/en/information-and-services/passports-and-traveling/the-emirati-passport Alexandermcnabb (talk) 09:11, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
- throughout the article in the link you gave UAE PASSPORT word is used more times than Emirati, (UAE Passport -> 12 times and Emirati -> 3 times) so it only proves my point that UAE PASSPORT is the common name. --DBigXrayᗙ 09:16, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
- This is all rather tendentious. The Emirati people (the people of the United Arab Emirates, or UAE) carry an Emirati passport. It can also be called a UAE passport, as a British passport can also be called a UK passport. However, the passport of the British people is the British passport as the passport of the Emirati people is an Emirati passport. As if that wasn't logical enough, just to throw in a good dose of OR, I asked my Emirati colleagues and they all agreed on Emirati passport. If mainstream media call it a UAE passport, that's up to them. It doesn't change the fact of nationality or Gonnym's argument above, which holds water to me. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 09:49, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
- This is not an "Emirati Wikipedia", so the internationally used and commonly used English title has to be used which in this case is UAE Passport. regards. --DBigXrayᗙ 13:34, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
- This is all rather tendentious. The Emirati people (the people of the United Arab Emirates, or UAE) carry an Emirati passport. It can also be called a UAE passport, as a British passport can also be called a UK passport. However, the passport of the British people is the British passport as the passport of the Emirati people is an Emirati passport. As if that wasn't logical enough, just to throw in a good dose of OR, I asked my Emirati colleagues and they all agreed on Emirati passport. If mainstream media call it a UAE passport, that's up to them. It doesn't change the fact of nationality or Gonnym's argument above, which holds water to me. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 09:49, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
- Boom. Alexandermcnabb (talk) 16:08, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose United Arab Emirates as a full name is used in professional and academic publications. UAE means different things to different people, in the medical community is may also refer to Uterine artery embolization or Upper Airway Edema. Although the proposed title is correct and commonly used I will have to oppose it in Wikipedia and side with Alexandermcnabb following WP:ACRONYMTITLE wiki policy. 'United Arab Emirates' is used professionally. Emirati passport is way more concise than using 'United Arab Emirates passport' as an article title. Regards Wikiemirati (talk) 17:44, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
- Oh and in Arabic, as a trivia, that's how Emiratis refer to their passport by calling it Emirati passport جواز الاماراتي (Jawaz al Imaraty) instead of UAE passport which translates to جواز دولة الامارات العربية المتحدة (Jawaz al Imarat al Arabiya al Mutahidda). Just as how British refer to their passport as British passport instead of United Kingdom passport. Both terms are synonymous and both redirect to the proper page. Wikiemirati (talk) 17:50, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
- Nice cocktail of random BS, Trivia and WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS just to show that WP:ILIKEIT. United States passport is also known as "American passport", but the more common name is the title. At English Wikipedia, we are concerned about how the subject is commonly known as. If you have evidence to show one way or the other, that will be appreciated as it will help the discussion. --DBigXrayᗙ 21:16, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
- Its funny how your cite policies for deletion requests in an article name change request. I have already stated my reasoning. Just as how Central Intelligence Agency is titled (rather than CIA) in wikipedia, the UAE should follow the same suit abiding by professional and academic publications. So far, 4 users (2 of which extensively edit UAE articles) agree on not changing the name. I don't know why you are stuck repeating one policy. Argue better, and avoid repeating yourself. Wikipedia policies are not written in stone. Four other users disagree with you. I suggest you just drop it and avoid arguing with everyone's point of view. We heard your policy the first time. People will state their opinion and then we can agree on consensus. Seeing as how you are tediously involved with other deletion/name change request articles I suggest you consider taking a wikibreak and to drop the stick and back slowly away. Now that's this is said, I believe we are done here. Wikiemirati (talk) 22:11, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
- Thank you for adding loads of more BS that doesn't help the discussion one tiny bit. Note: the spirit of the WP:AADD sections are valid here if you repeat the same fallacies elsewhere. --DBigXrayᗙ 22:20, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
- Calling BS on an editor who is making a respectful argument is hardly helpful to the discussion, either. It's a moot point. The consensus is oppose... Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 03:52, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
- WP:CONSENSUS is WP:NOTVOTE, it is based on the weight of the arguement and the evidence produced and not a counting of heads. --DBigXrayᗙ 18:18, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
- Calling BS on an editor who is making a respectful argument is hardly helpful to the discussion, either. It's a moot point. The consensus is oppose... Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 03:52, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
- Thank you for adding loads of more BS that doesn't help the discussion one tiny bit. Note: the spirit of the WP:AADD sections are valid here if you repeat the same fallacies elsewhere. --DBigXrayᗙ 22:20, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
- Its funny how your cite policies for deletion requests in an article name change request. I have already stated my reasoning. Just as how Central Intelligence Agency is titled (rather than CIA) in wikipedia, the UAE should follow the same suit abiding by professional and academic publications. So far, 4 users (2 of which extensively edit UAE articles) agree on not changing the name. I don't know why you are stuck repeating one policy. Argue better, and avoid repeating yourself. Wikipedia policies are not written in stone. Four other users disagree with you. I suggest you just drop it and avoid arguing with everyone's point of view. We heard your policy the first time. People will state their opinion and then we can agree on consensus. Seeing as how you are tediously involved with other deletion/name change request articles I suggest you consider taking a wikibreak and to drop the stick and back slowly away. Now that's this is said, I believe we are done here. Wikiemirati (talk) 22:11, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
- Nice cocktail of random BS, Trivia and WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS just to show that WP:ILIKEIT. United States passport is also known as "American passport", but the more common name is the title. At English Wikipedia, we are concerned about how the subject is commonly known as. If you have evidence to show one way or the other, that will be appreciated as it will help the discussion. --DBigXrayᗙ 21:16, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
- Comment Since the WP:Mainstream media overwhelmingly calls the subject as "UAE passport" (58,800 GoogleNews results) vs 294 for "Emirati passport", There has to be some very strong arguments against using UAE passport. WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS and WP:ILIKEIT sort of arguments pointed above, don't satisfy those. Going by the logic of Wikiemirati United States passport should be titled as "American passport" but that is not the case. WP:CONSENSUS is not a vote count. !Votes are to be Policy based along with evidence.--DBigXrayᗙ 12:50, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
- Dude, you must have WAY too much time on your hands. Consensus is against you, so why try and buffalo the issue? It's an Emirati passport, issued to Emirati gentlemen and ladies, the article title is right, everyone's happy. I dunno about anyone else but I'd rather be editing articles than running round in circles here. You can't ignore consensus. That would be SO undemocratic. This is a community, remember? Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 14:43, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
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Going by the logic of Wikiemirati United States passport should be titled as "American passport" but that is not the case
". I just noticed you're putting words in my mouth. I never said that. United States passport is not titled "US passport". The proper name is stated which is "United States passport". You're welcome to change this page to "United Arab Emirates passport" which is proper, however the current title is more concise. United Arab Emirates as a full name is used in academic and professional publications and should stay that way, or will you have us change Federal Bureau of Investigation, Central Intelligence Agency, United Arab Emirates, United Kingdom, and United states articles into FBI, CIA, UAE, UK, and USA respectively citing COMMONNAME policy? Wikiemirati (talk) 05:43, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
- Comment This article title has stayed the same for more than 10 years (May 2008), as per WP:TITLECHANGES the stable title should stay the same. Consensus among editors determined, so far, that there does not exist a good reason to change the title. Regards. Wikiemirati (talk) 17:32, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
- The above comment by Wikiemirati (Who by his username and User:Wikiemirati userpage declaration has an obvious WP:COIN here) is a "blatant misrepresentation" of the WP:TITLECHANGES policy, The policy nowhere states that "
stable title should stay the same.
" The Policy only states that such articles should not be renamed "without" a WP:RM discussion. It nowhere states that an article cannot be renamed to a more appropriate title after 10 years. Also Age is never a reason not to do something see WP:LONGTIMEand familiarize yourself with the spirit. --DBigXrayᗙ 17:45, 13 November 2018 (UTC)- Please desist from bludgeoning, accusing users of conflict of interest and personal attacks. Thanks. Wikiemirati (talk) 17:57, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
- The above comment by Wikiemirati (Who by his username and User:Wikiemirati userpage declaration has an obvious WP:COIN here) is a "blatant misrepresentation" of the WP:TITLECHANGES policy, The policy nowhere states that "
- Oppose per common/standard demonym and common usage. A redirect is sufficient. Softlavender (talk) 00:21, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
- Softlavender can you please elaborate more on your comment above. Agree that Emirati is standard demonym for UAE citizens. But There is no evidence provided that common usage for the passport is Emirati passport as well. while the evidence on the contrary exists and is added in my actual proposal. regards. --DBigXrayᗙ 01:26, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
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