Talk:Curb bit

Diagram

I deleted the diagram from this article. It has an important mistake. The lip strap (aka curb chain) on a curb bit belongs on the purchase arms, not on the shanks. Also, it would be nice to have a vector (not raster) diagram with the features labeled by letters or numbers. That way, the same diagram can be used on other language wikipedia, simply by changing the text. See for example Image:Eye-diagram.svg. --Una Smith (talk) 22:46, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

There is no error. If you will go to the talk page for the image, this issue has been explained. The lip strap is NOT a curb strap/chain. I have posted some sources and examples there as well. The curb strap or chain does attach either on the cheek/headstall ring or on hooks or a separate ring attached to the headstall ring. The lip strap is primarily seen on English double bridles where it is supposed to run through the little ring on the curb chain to hold both in place. As far as an improvement on the diagram, if someone makes one later, great. In the meantime, it's all we have and it works here. If you wish to discuss the matter farther, the conversation can go to the talk page for the image. Montanabw^(talk) 23:19, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

I'll rephrase. The diagram (Image:Parts of a Curb.png) omits an essential feature, the curb chain, yet shows non-essential features. It is misleading. I don't think it should be used. --Una Smith (talk) 03:29, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Montanabw, do you consider the curb chain to be a non-essential, optional accessory? --Una Smith (talk) 03:36, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

If you go to any tack store, you will note that while a lot of English bits come with (usually cheapo) curb chains, the curb strap or curb chain is an accessory sold separately from most western curb bits. Of course to use a curb properly, you must use a curb strap/chain with a curb bit, but you also must use a bridle and reins. Anything that can be easily removed from the bit is an accessory, not part of the bit itself. Any time I buy an weymouth curb, I inevitably seem to need to remove the curb chain hooks, readjust them or replace them, and add a higher quality curb chain. Montanabw^(talk) 03:46, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Cleanup

I have tagged {{cleanup}}, because the article structure needs reworking into form, function, how used, who uses it. The section Lever starts with a tangent about how certain horse show classes do and don't allow it. --Una Smith (talk) 03:29, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Tag is fine, article isn't perfect. Montanabw^(talk) 03:41, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Lead image

I replaced the lead image with one that is more relevant. The old image (Image:Mors ancien.jpg) was of a bit similar in function to a Pelham bit, with both curb and snaffle rein slots. Also, the old caption was wrong. The "mors ancien" (image title and description on Commons) is French, meaning "old bit" not "Moorish antique". Compare fr:Mors_(équitation) and fr:Maures. --Una Smith (talk) 03:46, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

I can restore the original image of a western bit if we want a "pure" model. It has a wrapped mouthpiece, but is show legal and otherwise completely standard. Montanabw^(talk) 03:41, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

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