Talk:Common nightingale

Cultural connotations

Hello, I joined Wikipedia last night simply because I wanted to make it better. I made my first edit under "Cultural connotations" of this article on the "Common nightingale". Perhaps, experienced editors can notice that my edit was well referenced although it was my first edit here. Sadly, only within hours, the user Elmidae made changes to my post which in my opinion alters its connotations. I realize that this user has several special rights on Wikipedia, but interestingly enough, he/she has even erased an explanation about the poet I referenced (Hafez) which was cited from an article by the "Library of Congress" but it looks like this editor didn't like it! and has removed it claiming that it was "vanity"! Look at the complaints below which have been made by other users before I even added anything to this page, claiming that this article doesn't emphasize what is so special about the nightingale! If we cannot even make it clear what is the social status of a poet in the history of literature, how can we make any emphasis?! Sorry, but it looks like Wikipedia is only a place where everyone can spend lots of hours of effort just to watch his or her work get altered and erased by someone else who has special rights! I only add here to the user Elmidae, if what I wrote about Hafez was vanity, which seemed to have bothered you, then the Library of Congress is in vanity! Articles on Wiki will not improve by these type of people enforcing their personal "taste"! Thank you all and have a nice day.

The beauty of its song

This article doesn't emphasise what is so special about the nightingale - the beauty of its song, and the reason why it has been so celebrated in literature etc. From the 'Behaviour and ecology' section you'd think it was just another song bird. The British Library describes its song as 'sublime' and 'beautiful': [1] - compared to other UK song birds, it is in a league of its own, sounding almost exotic among our workaday song thrushes and blackbirds and warblers. I think this should be made clearer in the article itself. 86.133.212.25 (talk) 08:37, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

The "Description" section includes "The song of the Nightingale[2] has been described as one of the most beautiful sounds in nature, inspiring songs, fairy tales, opera, books, and a great deal of poetry.[3]" I think with that and the section about music and poetry, it's about right for an encyclopedia (although we ought to find a source for the rose-and-nightingale combination in Persian or Middle Eastern folklore). What needs work is Eurasian Skylark. —JerryFriedman (Talk) 20:49, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

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Pronunciation?

Is it 'night - IN - gale' or 'night - ING - gale"?

It is the latter (ING). Kanjuzi (talk) 23:35, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

Verses by Hafez – reasons for deletion

The following words were added to the article by a user to illustrate the importance of the nightingale in Persian poetry:

"The poet Hafez epitomizes the image in "Good Ending" (Persian: "فرشگرد") to nightingale's love and passion for rose in the Sonnet 232[26] of his Divān:

خلوت دل نیست جای صحبت اضداد

...دیو چو بیرون رود فرشته درآید

بلبل عاشق تو عمر خواه که آخر

باغ شود سبز و سرخ گل به بر آید

"The plain of vision of the heart is not a place of society of opponents

When the demon goeth out, the angel within may come...

O' The loving nightingale, ask for life; for, in the end,

Green will become the garden and into blossom, the red rose will come"

I deleted these verses because 1. the first two lines have no obvious relevance to the topic (what have angels and demons got to do with nightingales?); 2. the quoted lines are not contiguous; they consist of verses 2 and 7 of the poem, making the quotation even more puzzling; 3. the translation (based on that of Wilberforce Clarke, except that he writes "into the bosom" instead of "into blossom") is really bad (how can khalvat-e del mean "the plain of vision of the heart"?) and the meaning is unclear; 4. the poem is not generally known as فرشگرد "Farashgard"; neither Persian Wikipedia nor Ganjur nor Clarke calls it by this Zoroastrian name; 5. if a quotation from Hafez is required about the nightingale, there are several more well-known ones, such as ghazals 134 or 25 (both translated by Gertrude Bell) or ghazal 465 (translated by Arberry as "Rose and Nightingale"), which might be more familiar to English readers and more suitable here; 6. these lines don't really "epitomise" the trope of the nightingale and rose, but illustrate just one aspect of it, and it is not clear why the editor has chosen this particular poem; 7. the Persian words are given without any transliteration, which is useless to the general reader. For all these reasons, I think the article would be improved without this addition. But if any reader has any contrary view let them state their case. Kanjuzi (talk) 00:16, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

"Common nightingale in Turkey" actually showing a European Robin

Common nightingale in Turkey

Compare for example the photos on European_robin. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.117.236.48 (talk) 11:41, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

This was added 3 weeks ago by User:Vartolu3566, probably unintentionally. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.117.236.48 (talk) 11:46, 24 December 2023 (UTC)