Talk:Catfish and the Bottlemen

change the names for the lols

Change Van McCann to Vin McCann , Change Benji Blakeway to Binji Blakeway , Change Bob Hall to Bib Hall , Change Johnny Bond to Johnny Bind Heyitslayla1234 (talk) 11:25, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

Not done: From a glance at the already cited sources in the article, the names are correct as is. Why change all those vowels to "i"s? Cannolis (talk) 11:51, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

Origins

Where the individual band members each originate from, it less relevant then where the band were formed. That would be their origin, which is Wales. Also third party sources constantly refer to them as from Wales or as Welsh. See BBC (North Wales band), NME (Welsh wonders) , Wales online (Welsh band...), The Guardian (Welsh Indie Rockers). Also, in 2015, the band appeared at SXSW, Austin (TX) with support from the Arts Council of Wales. By all accounts, the band are of Welsh origin. Karst (talk) 22:13, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

It states where they were formed. And also, their origin isn't "Wales" - their origin is the town they formed in. You can keep offering multiple website sources that incorrectly refer to them as being Welsh - but the band's frontman categorically stating that they do not see themselves as being Welsh is somewhat more relevant. Or do you think an encyclopedia article should mirror often repeated mistakes in press articles or correct them? The fact that they do not mention Llandudno or North Wales on any of their social media accounts or websites says it all 78.145.180.148 (talk) 11:00, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

That is their prerogative. The third party sources (see WP:RS) point to Wales. I suppose as a compromise we can say British, to avoid constant reverts. Karst (talk) 11:10, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

Ok, reverted without discussion. It still looks odd, English band from Llandudno - it will result in further reverts. What the band 'think' is irrelevant. It is about the sources. They point to both. Karst (talk) 09:54, 28 May 2016 (UTC)

No, it was reverted with multiple references. How the band describe themselves is more relevant than what an article in the press claims. Without a doubt, if it was a Welsh band formed in Chester there is no way this arguement would be taking place and they would be described as Welsh, not British. If editors choose to remove and ignore the message stating that the band identify as English not Welsh, that is vandalsm. I also direct you to the article on Christian Bale. 78.146.202.113 (talk) 11:09, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

I noticed the Christian Bale article, see Calvin Harris. The issue is that for as many references we can find about them being English, there are ones about the band being described as Welsh. Especially considering the SXSW performance supported by the Welsh arts council. Hence the use of British is a perfect compromise here and avoids a constant debate on their origin. Karst (talk) 11:32, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

Just because some (even many) press articles incorrectly refer to them as being Welsh doesn't mean an encyclopedia article show help perpetuate that with the more vague British description. The band have been perfectly clear in interviews how they view themselves - there is no ambiguity. As stated earlier, they don't mention where they formed on any social media accounts - very telling. The reasoning is clearly stated AND referenced. 11:41, 4 June 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.146.202.113 (talk)

Also, you mentioned the article on Calvin Harris where it seems some people occasionally change Scottish to British. If you are suggesting that all articles describing people from the UK as English, Scottish, Welsh or N Irish should be changed to British - that IS against consensus, hence the majority of articles using those descriptions. I would therefore suggest you try and reach a new consensus in the relevant areas of Wikipedia. Also relevant to note that your talk page indicates you have had previous issues with edit warring (and Niceguyedc has also engaged in edit warring). 11:53, 4 June 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.146.202.113 (talk)

Please follow the threading of the discussion and sign your posts. Guidelines on UK nationality can be found here. To find consensus on this issue I have started a Request for Comments below. Karst (talk) 12:05, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

RfC on origin

The consensus is to describe the band as a "British band from Wales". Cunard (talk) 04:02, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

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The question here is to find consensus if the band should be described as English, Welsh or British. Karst (talk) 11:49, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

It seems to only be one person describing them as English (an unregisted IP user at that). They formed in Wales, almost every site refers to them as Welsh, therefore they should be described as Welsh. Calling them "British" would be a good compromise though, if the IP user still has problems with them being referred to as Welsh. Someguywhat (talk) 21:38, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

• They are unquestionably British, originating from Llandudno, Wales. (Wales is part of Britain.) Whether they choose to describe themselves as Welsh or something else is entirely up to them, but at present the introduction gives massively undue weight to what is probably no more than an argument between Wikipedia editors. Ghmyrtle (talk) 17:03, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

PS: There are so many errors in the existing text - for example, the source cited as saying that McCann was born in Australia in fact says that he was born in Cheshire. The introductory text needs to be rewritten. Ghmyrtle (talk) 18:37, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

PPS: The only source in which they refer to themselves as "English" is a US source, where they refer to themselves in passing as an "English band". This gives no indication of whether they refer to themselves as English in preference to British or Welsh - many American readers of the source would almost certainly be unaware of the differences in meaning between "English", "British" and "Welsh". Ghmyrtle (talk) 18:56, 6 June 2016 (UTC).

• The current lead, stating British band from Wales, seems accurate. The article has far to many fanpage-like quotes. The one in the lead section about their origin, sourced to their BPI profile (who creates these profiles?) should be removed unless an independent source such as a music journalist or critic thought it was important enough to write about.—Anne Delong (talk) 10:36, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
• From what I can see, I am in agreement with Anne, just above. Jusdafax 18:08, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

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