Talk:Carol (film)

GA (Good Article) Review

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Pyxis Solitary talk 00:57, 4 November 2017 (UTC) edited 00:11, 14 November 2017 (UTC) (explanation: Template change includes new title for link to review. Inexperienced editors may not know that's what it's for.) edited 08:36, 14 April 2018 (UTC) (explanation: Link for article statistics.)

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WP:CAREFUL: "changes...to Featured Articles and Good Articles, should be done with extra care. In many cases, the text as you find it has come into being after long and arduous negotiations between Wikipedians of diverse backgrounds and points of view." Pyxis Solitary (yak). L not Q. 13:16, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

Plot description

On 04:04, 14 November 2018, the plot was increased from a total of 676 words, to 1202 words.
For those who are not familiar with Wikipedia's Manual of Style for Films guideline regarding the Plot section:

"Plot summaries for feature films should be between 400 and 700 words. The summary should not exceed the range unless the film's structure is unconventional, such as [narrative told out of order] or ... non-linear storylines, or unless the plot is too complicated to summarize in this range. (Discuss with other editors to determine if a summary cannot be contained within the proper range.)"

The plot of Carol is neither unconventional, nor complicated.
Since the creation of the article, the plot description experienced many edits, including increases and reductions. Discussions were held and consensus reached regarding it.
In 2017 (July–August), the article underwent an extensive Good Article review and criteria was approved. Therefore, it would be in the best interest of the article, and in consideration of all the editors who worked on it, if any future substantial change to the plot description was first discussed in this talk page. Wikipedia encourages contributors to edit boldly, but it also advises them to also be careful in how they edit some articles:

"changes ... to Featured Articles and Good Articles, should be done with extra care. In many cases, the text as you find it has come into being after long and arduous negotiations between Wikipedians of diverse backgrounds and points of view."

Pyxis Solitary yak 09:34, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

Beginning of the film

The Indiatimes com includes a description of the introduction (which confused me) they mention that the intro with Jack is the point from where Terry looks back: "It's 1950s New York and two women are having tea in the Ritz when a young man, Jack, interrupts, he knows Therese ... " But it seems to be the same episode which leads to the ending of the film? d-axel (talk) 00:36, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

The Jack scene and second Ritz scene is a bookend film technique. After Therese leaves The Ritz with Jack she's looking out the window of the taxi and the story then goes back to when Therese and Carol first met, and unfolds until they're at The Ritz and interrupted by Jack. You might find it of interest that Todd Haynes got the inspiration for The Ritz scene from the 1945 film Brief Encounter: "Therese & Carol & Alec & Laura (A Brief Encounter)". Pyxis Solitary (yak). L not Q. 03:24, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

Fandom

Some fandom articles. May be worth looking into. I don't understand the film-adjacent areas of WP to add it to the article or further reading myself; also don't know if the latter is really about the film or the book (both are mentioned).

• Guo, Ting; Evans, Jonathan (18 May 2020). "Translational and transnational queer fandom in China: the fansubbing of Carol". Feminist Media Studies. 20 (4): 515–529. doi:10.1080/14680777.2020.1754630.
• Kelly, Alice M. (2 January 2020). ""Lots of Us Are Doing Fine": Femslash Fan Fiction, Happy Endings, and the Archontic Expansions of the Price of Salt Archive". Lit: Literature Interpretation Theory. 31 (1): 42–59. doi:10.1080/10436928.2020.1712791.

Urve (talk) 19:01, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Per MOS:FILM, fandom is not normally included in film articles. When a film article is being developed, a Trivia section is sometimes included and as the article matures the content is moved to sections where the information fits regarding the history of the film. In this case, "Translational and transnational queer fandom in China: the fansubbing of Carol" from the Feminist Media Studies journal is the source that relates most to the film and presents a subject that may merit mention (in the Audience response section) of how the Jihua subtitling translation group of Carol fans in China have used translations of the film as a tactical tool for the cultural understanding of female homosexuality in China. Pyxis Solitary (yak). L not Q. 11:28, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

Understood. I appreciate you giving me some insight and pointing me to the relevant MOS section. I only left this talk page mention because I noticed there was some fandom on the page already and came across the first article—but whether it's useful or not here, I of course leave to you and the other experts. Urve (talk) 16:25, 23 February 2021 (UTC)