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Studio Albums
editShouldn't the number of Bucketheads studio albums be 25 considering Acoustic Shards and From the Coop aren't necessarily "original material" since they're demos from his early career. I think that in the discography section for Buckethead, both albums should be considered in the "Special Releases" section along with In Search of The.
- Perhaps, though it'd be 26 if that change was made. Changing those particular releases seems un-necessary though. The last two albums we've seen from Buckethead do not have one second of original material either and feature songs released previously, so maybe they're in the same vain. I say keep them where they are though, that's just my opinion. BlueMarblesMoon (talk) 17:18, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
Buckethead task force?
editSuccession Box
editThe "Lead Guitarist of Guns N' Roses" succession box seems a bit over the top, doesn't it? I'd think such boxes were reserved for official titles, offices held etc. I for one vote we delete it. It seems almost comical to attribute such importance to what is essentially a small gig as a touring musician. Skjald (talk) 16:47, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
- Comical, yes indeed. BTW: BH wasn't the successor to Slash... --hexaChord2 22:07, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
Redirect?
editI typed in Slunk, adn it redirected me to Buckethead. It is only because I am a stout fan that I wanted to do this without having an account. Thus, I won't respond to anything that is said here. I simply want to make it clear that Slunk should NOT redirect to the Buckethead article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.172.112.120 (talk) 05:29, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
- You may write an article about Slunk ;-) --Avant-garde a clue-hexaChord2 18:46, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
Rework the article
editRight now, the article is an introduction, followed by history. There should be a section on musical style and general on-stage antics. People are going to want to know why this man is wearing a bucket on his head. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.107.0.73 (talk) 00:48, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
- See WT:BH for a discussion on reworking the article.--Avant-garde a clue-hexaChord2 06:52, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
Ridiculous second sentence
edit"He is known for wearing a white plastic mask and a KFC bucket on his head." He is known for that? Funny. I thought his godly guitar skills might have had something to do with his fame. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.172.187.10 (talk) 11:46, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
Yes, he's known for that. It's the first thing I think of every time I hear his name. Wingnutrules (talk) 00:12, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
I think the problem here is that its been stated that his outfit is designed to help people avoid focusing on the personality, instead on the music, yet the 2nd sentence in the article is that he is "known for wearing a mask and bucket". I think the point hes trying to get across is thats not what you should know him for. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.240.187.148 (talk) 05:50, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
Yes, it was the point *he* was trying to get across. It didn't work. Bad luck. 80.128.102.154 (talk) 16:57, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
Why did you type asterisks around *he*? Buckethead is a *he*... Anyway I agree, It's akin to saying "Elvis Presley is know for his mutton chops, and cape." How about, instead of "*He* is known for..." it says "*He* wears a white plastic mask, and KFC bucket on his head while preforming, and during public appearances."? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:192:102:308D:99DF:802E:4918:62F3 (talk) 11:41, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
I would also agree it is problematic second sentence, there should be a qualifier added to the sentence to avoid any controversy as to what he is know for... ie. he is know (among other things). Sickness5080 (talk) 05:42, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
- I would suggest taking a look at the various different interviews and articles about him, and see what they focus on first when describing his fame. We should reflect that here. Marasmusine (talk) 07:50, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
- Thats a good idea, but seems a bit involved just to fix a problem with a sentence i would still vote for a qualifier.
Sickness5080 (talk) 17:09, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
Just change it from: "He is known for wearing a white plastic mask and a KFC bucket on his head." to "He is known to wear a white plastic mask and a KFC bucket on his head." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.240.187.148 (talk) 23:48, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
Other work
editBuckethead appears on the soundtrack for the John Carpenter flick Ghosts of Mars along with Anthrax. Buckethead is also known for playing the theme for Power Rangers in one of the early versions of the show.Source. --- Trench 23:02, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
- I thought he performed the guitar for portions of the Power Rangers: The Movie, not the tv series. Am I wrong?-D (talk) 19:43, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
- That's "Firebird", right?--Avant-garde a clue-hexaChord2 06:52, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
Connection (if any) to the Meat Puppets song
editThe Meat Puppets had a song on their 1985 album Up on the Sun called "Buckethead". When did Carroll start going by Buckethead and is it related? 02:00, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
- It would seem pretty likely, according to this article Buckethead appeared in 1988. However the article also says he was a teenager then and born in 1966 so it's unclear. However Meat Puppets were very appropriate listening for anyone over the age of ten in 1985 so yeah. Potatoswatter (talk) 13:18, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
- I don't see any evidence for a connection. --Say Headcheese!--hexaChord2 02:29, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
Primus is not mentioned
editWhy isn't Primus mentioned in this article? They have backed Buckethead and Les (Primus's Bassist) Recorded with him. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.21.75.3 (talk) 20:46, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
- Likewise, Buckethead toured backing Primus, I know for sure that he did so in 1999. Haphazardjoy (talk) 00:47, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
- C2B3 'is' Mentioned though. BH toured with Claypol, you can watch an 'all improv' performance of C2B3 on the Les Claypol DVD "5 gallons of Diesel" and others. but he never played with "primus". .:charlie:. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bingewedge (talk • contribs)
- He toured with Primus in Oct./Nov. 1999, as stated above to promote Monsters and Robots.--Avant-garde a clue-hexaChord2 22:19, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
- oops, should have said "never played on any primus albums" (TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE) I'll get this thing yet hexacord!!! BH come out while touring with primus as seen on "vieoplasty". but, i'm probably wrong again. Bingewedge (talk) 23:05, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
Michael Jackson Influence
editThe article says that Buckethead was inspired to play guitar when, at the age of 12, he heard Michael Jackson and was, "...impressed by the backing band, mainly Louis Johnson and Jennifer Batten." But Jennifer Batten joined Michael Jackson for the 'Bad' tour in 1989--Buckethead would have been (around) 20 at this point. So, this claim needs some attention. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.232.153.242 (talk) 21:38, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
- Michael Jackson should be quite clear. [1] But the age thing is not. He's most likely born around 1970 ( /- 2 or 3 years - I still believe it's 1969 rather than 1972) so this makes "age of 12" very unlikely. --Say Headcheese!--hexaChord2 22:28, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
I was at the Namm Show in 87 or 88, tickets provided by the store where Brian was taking lessons btw (definately not 89) and got a signed picture of Jennifer Batten when she was playing with Michael Jackson. Brian Carroll told me himself that he was a huge MJ fan in 1987 when he was 18 yrs old. He mentioned really being into the Thriller album. Which makes sense considering his interest in horror films
That album was released in 1982 and Brian would have been 13 at the time it was released. So if he started guitar at 12 and really got interested a year later the timing is accurate. And yes Brian Patrick Carroll was born in 1969(WildHorseStudios1421 (talk) 16:10, 2 September 2009 (UTC))
- Read WP:NOR
Patrick?
editWhere's this come from? I've never heard his middle name as being Patrick, and it isn't mentioned anywhere in the source given. 90.206.232.37 (talk) 18:51, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
- His BMI entry lists him with Patrick.[2] ----Merry Headcheese!-hexaChord2 19:11, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
Im 99% sure it is....mine is also Patrick. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Frakh (talk • contribs) 23:12, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
Buckethead's middle name...
editForgive me, but I cannot seem to find any other internet sources besides this page confirming that Buckethead's middle name is Patrick (and certainly not in the MTV.com article cited as evidence for this claim). I suspect that this is an error stemming from a joke and respectfully request its removal from the page. EDIT: All right, I've read the rest of the page, but is it possible that BMI used Wikipedia as a source? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mikkabouzu (talk • contribs)
- His BMI entry lists him with Patrick.[3] as already mentioned above.--Avant-garde a clue-hexaChord2 22:31, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
- No, I (and so WP) have it from there.----Avant-garde a clue-hexaChord2 22:44, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
Birthdate?
editI've seen people say that his birthdate is in 1969, but I've never seen a site that actually states that in plain terms and he's certainly not open about his personal life. As I previously added on the wikipedia page, the Young Buckethead DVD liner notes place his birth around 1972 since Jas Obrecht states that he first met Buckethead when he dropped off his demo in 1988 and that Brian was 16 at the time. Haphazardjoy (talk) 00:52, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
- I remember checking this recently when I tidied up the lead sentence. I was going to remove the birth year, then spotted it in one of the references. But for the life of me, I can't find it now. If you want to change the year, put what you've just said in a footnote and don't forget to change the category. Marasmusine (talk) 09:12, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
I'm just putting it out there, I'm not entirely sure myself. Furthermore, the liner notes don't offer more on the subject to make it more clear. Claiming that he was 16 in 1988 doesn't even pinpoint which year he was born in, depending of course on the time of the year versus his birth day. In the DVDs, where he's talking at least, he does seem quite young (though that could be older footage), and supposedly his parents brought him to drop off his demo tape, so I'm inclined to believe he is younger. However, this could all be deliberate misinformation on his part. Haphazardjoy (talk) 15:59, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
- For example: http://chinese-democracy.blogspot.com/2008/02/classic-rock-magazine-chinese-democracy.html --HexaChord (talk) 01:18, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
In interview, Paul Gilbert also said that Buckethead was about 15 when he himself was 18, again backing up the 1969 date of birth. ---D--- (talk) 01:59, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
May 13th, 1969 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.95.36.13 (talk) 21:02, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
Intro and bio sections say 1969. Early and personal life section says 1970. Fix conflict.Alphaknave (talk) 23:33, 10 January 2020 (UTC)
Bucketheads Birthdate
editIt has been said that in the year 1987 Brian Carroll was 18 years old, placing his birthdate at '69. This was said by [email protected] D01703 (talk) 04:29, 28 December 2008 (UTC)D01703 - 12/27/08
That is correct. He was born in 1969. Brian played in my band Class-X in 1987 and 1988. In 1987 we performed at a City of South Pasadena event that headlined Sha Sha Gabor. Early 1988 we played Brian's 19th birthday party at his aunt's house. It's sad many times in that keeping RnR history accurate folks want to go by rumours instead of accurate sources. As example I've placed more than once now information about who Brian Carroll took guitar lessons from and it keeps getting deleted. Making it look like his teacher was Paul Gilbert. That is not quite accurate. I believe that PG is a huge major influence but not a long time sit down and learn from guitar teacher of BH. :Read WP:NOR
- Read WP:NOR
Just out of curiosity...
editHow does Buckethead play clarinet, saxophone, or recorder? There are no links telling if this is true or not, and it makes me wonder how he does that while wearing a mask. 71.194.224.134 (talk) 01:39, 15 May 2008 (UTC) I haven't seen any videos of him playing any of those, but I have one friend that says he played the saxophone during a concert. I don't know if this is true or not, but for the sake of the article, lets say it is. --24.119.21.78 (talk) 04:08, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
- 71.193.224.134's query is exactly why we have a WP:Verifiability policy. I'm removing those instruments until it can be sourced with something reliable. Marasmusine (talk) 07:09, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
- He's not playing them live of course, but on records. Escape From Inbred Mountain off Inbred Mountain (2005) is a good example for rather untypical instruments. --Say Headcheese!--hexaChord2 18:49, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
Pickups
edit"The neck pick-up is a DiMarzio Tone Zone with a DiMarzio Air Norton in the bridge." This just doesn't seem right to me, the DiMarzio Tone Zone is a hotter pickup than the Air Norton, as well as it's calibrated for the bridge position, unlike the Air Norton which can go in either position. How pickups are set up for strength goes with how much the string vibrates, the strings vibrates more noticeably at the neck then they do near the bridge, so a hotter pickup should be at the bridge to balance out the neck pickup. Is there any other evidence of this pickup combination? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.242.11.74 (talk) 00:29, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
DiMarzio Pickups
editReferring to his white Les Paul: "...DiMarzio Tone Zone in the neck and DiMarzio Air Norton in the bridge position." Where's the proof of this? While I don't doubt that they are DiMarzio pickups, I question what type of DiMarzio pickups they are, and their location in his guitar. It seems strange that he would use a medium power pickup like the Air Norton in the bridge position, and a high power Tone Zone (which the DiMarzio website recommends as a bridge pickup) in the neck position. Where did this information come from? 72.129.164.206 (talk) 15:33, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
- I found a site that says Buckethead does indeed use a Tone Zone in the neck and an Air Norton in the bridge: http://corridorbuzz.com/articles/masked_prodigy_buckethead_to_shred_at_the_picador.htm 72.129.164.206 (talk) 01:17, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
Guitars
editThere is not much comprehensive information about Buckethead's guitars through out the internet. Besides his customized white Les Paul, Buckethead owns many, many guitars. I'll try to summarize his guitars from his early days.
Midnight Blue, Heartfield Talon : this was seen used in the footage from his DVD Young Buckethead.[4]
Pickup Configuration: HSH
Pickups: Dimarzios
Bridge: Floyd Rose tremolo
Momentary switch/Kill switch: no
I can confirm he used this guitar in the band ClassX in 1987 and 1988 along with his Peavey Renown Amplifier. Wildhorsestudios1421 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.95.36.13 (talk) 20:55, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
Blue, ESP MII: Used throughout his concert in the Wetlands. This guitar seems to be smashed and broken and never used again as seen in a binge clip.[5]
Pickup Configuration: HS
Pickups: Dimarzios or Duncans.
Bridge: Floyd Rose tremolo
Momentary switch/Kill switch: no
Inlays: squares? ESP model on 12th fret.
Jackson Flying V, (mahogany): One of his less used guitars. Not much is known except that the pickups are Dimarzio's. [6]
Pickup Configuration: HH
Pickups: Dimarzios
Bridge: Floyd Rose tremolo
Momentary switch/Kill switch: yes
Jackson Flying V, (KFC): Again, almost identical to the brown flying v except it lacks the Floyd Rose bridge. [7]
Pickup Configuration: HH
Pickups: Dimarzios
Bridge: N/A
Momentary switch/Kill switch: yes
(psychedelic) Jackson?: This guitar has never been played live as far as I know. But it seems to be used during the Praxis days with Brain, and Bootsy. [8]
Pickup Configuration: HSH
Pickups: Dimarzios or Duncans
Bridge: Floyd Rose tremolo.
Momentary switch/Kill switch: no]
Ibanez Flying V X-series: This guitar was used mainly during the Praxis years. [9]
Pickup Configuration: HH
Pickups: Dimarzios
Bridge: Floyd Rose tremolo.
Momentary switch/Kill switch: no
Steinberger SG: a cheaper version of the Gibson SG. This guitar was rarely seen with Buckethead. [10]
Pickup Configuration: HH
Pickups: Dimarzio/neck, original bridge
Bridge: original bridge
Momentary switch/Kill switch: no
Takamine electric/acoustic: Used mostly during his Colma tours back in the late 90s. Big B occasionally uses it during recent tours for a few songs. [11]
Fobsternd 06:18, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
Couple things. The "psychadelic Jackson" is Kaiser's gift, a Steinberger GS. Also on the topic of Steinbergers, there was no SG model. The SG was a Gibson guitar.
Could you also provide something showing Buckethead using a killswitch on one or both of his custom Vs?Sk8tuhpunk 23:04, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
The les paul is neither a 59 or any vintage custom, its 24 frets, just look at any picture of it and count them, Gibson NEVER made a guitar like that in the 50s, they actually made a few 24 fret guitars but they didnt have extended fret scales, they pushed back the neck pickup, but buckethead's is in the correct place as far as les paul customs are concerned. Also, why is the dimarzio bit on there, Ive never seen any hard proof that he uses them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.64.223.6 (talk) 06:02, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
A picture containing a one of B's Coopwood guitars. The red killswitch can be seen near one of theknobs.
http://thebucketdatabase.com/photos/main.php/v/2000 - 2003/2000-06-30 Praxis Knitting Factory-New York City/8.jpg.html D01703 (talk) 04:39, 28 December 2008 (UTC)D01703 12/27/08 11:38 PM EST
Y2KV - Guitar
editBuckethead uses two V-shaped guitars. FACT: They cannot be Flying Vs due to the fact that Gibson would have a field day taking down Jackson, in the Fender family of brands. They CAN NOT be King Vs due to the fact that that guitar has never looked like Big B's KFC or Coopwood guitars. The center of the body is too long and the ends to pointed. Following a hunch, I compared Buckethead's KFC V to a Y2KV, and who'd have guessed that they are the same. Off to fix the list.Sk8tuhpunk 22:04, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
- That constitutes original research and needs a reference to be valid. Mcr29 22:17, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
That's about as silly as throwing a [citation needed] on a picture of a specific car, saying that you need a verified source on the model. If something has distinct visual features, is that really research to point then out?50.133.41.9 (talk) 08:01, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
- It's true. They are both custom Jackson King V's with Y2K electronics. --24.119.21.78 (talk) 04:02, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
Fender Heartfield?? Re: Heartfield Talon II, in fact
editWhat is this Fender Heartfield guitar in the list, it says its a pink fender with pink X2N's any source of this info? Also I would like to ask what is with the Gibson Chet Atkins and the Gibson SST I haven't found any pics of Bucket playing these guitars, and one more thing he only has one Les Paul which has been with covered pickups, and then they have been uncovered.
I would like to fix these mistakes, so unless someone finds sources I will delete them in about a week. —Preceding unsigned comment added by TimmyTermite (talk • contribs) 12:05, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
- He does indeed have a midnight blue Heartfield Talon II (by Fender) with pinkish pickups that look like they might be DiMarzio X2N's -- as can be seen on several occasions in
Secret Recipe (Buckethead DVD)Young Buckethead DVDs. I took two screenshots from Volume 1 and merged them into one picture: http://noeff.clanservers.com/noldis/Young_Buckethead_Vol_1_-_Soundcheck_-_Cactus_Club_(November_24_1990).jpg
- He does indeed have a midnight blue Heartfield Talon II (by Fender) with pinkish pickups that look like they might be DiMarzio X2N's -- as can be seen on several occasions in
- And what makes it specifically a Talon II is, it has a H-S-H pickup configuration and 24 frets. (cf. http://www.heartfield-central.com/html/whichtalon.htm) If you still don't buy it, you might want to check this out: http://youtube.com/watch?v=e58chys_l2s
- --Noldis 03:35, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
Distructive edit patterns
editEvery guitarist page has a gear section. And all could be better sourced. For players like Buckethead... 90% of the article's readers viewing that page are going to be gearheads. Creating encyclopedic/sourced gear sections is one of the mandates of the Guitarist Project. Unfortunately there are editors who are unfamiliar with the Wiki-project's "work-in-progress" plans and every now and then you see distructive edits like this. Personally, I am a staunch deletionist. But I know how Wiki is supposed to "play to its audience" as well. If someone tried to delete Eric Clapton or David Gilmour or Jimmy Page's gear sections there would be a mutiny. Like all of the others, they are very long and detailed... but require better sourcing. "Gear" information what guitar players use these pages as a reference for. That is the "reliable information" they come here looking for. Trick is... making it reliable. Hard to do when it isn't there to build on. The Real Libs-speak politely 14:16, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
- WP:V. If content is not sourced and someone thinks it's remotely controversial, they can remove it, simple as that. I suggest you learn to use a sandbox if you want to put content somewhere while you look for reliable sources.bridies (talk) 15:57, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
- That won't be needed. I will just continue to respect the mandate of a Wikipedia Project that they will replace the source that has been given with the actual authored content from Harmony Central... the "source of the source". I am not a member of that project. But I am familiar with the edit histories of the projects regular editors and I can certainly trust that they will continue to be a very active and reliable project. Makes it easy to AGF that they will find the V. There is nothing controversial here. There are no opinions being soapboxed. Its just a gear list. No different than any other guitarist article gear lists. There are hundreds of them. And they all look the same. The Real Libs-speak politely 16:12, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
- From WP:V: The burden of evidence lies with the editor who adds or restores material. All quotations and any material challenged or likely to be challenged should be attributed to a reliable, published source using an inline citation. AFG has nothing to do with this issue. Assuming good faith simply means assuming that whoever added the content meant well. That doesn't mean they were right to do so. Also, this article is not edited exclusively by wikiproject guitarist members. Wikiprojects can't overrule WP:V. Incidently, I'm a member of Wikiproject Guitarists and I know of no such mandate. Care to point me to it? I also don't understand what you mean regarding Harmony Central, can you clarify please? Not all the gear lists look the same, some are reliably sourced; that's the central issue. bridies (talk) 17:09, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
- That won't be needed. I will just continue to respect the mandate of a Wikipedia Project that they will replace the source that has been given with the actual authored content from Harmony Central... the "source of the source". I am not a member of that project. But I am familiar with the edit histories of the projects regular editors and I can certainly trust that they will continue to be a very active and reliable project. Makes it easy to AGF that they will find the V. There is nothing controversial here. There are no opinions being soapboxed. Its just a gear list. No different than any other guitarist article gear lists. There are hundreds of them. And they all look the same. The Real Libs-speak politely 16:12, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
OK... The issue has not been addressed and from my own searching I conclude that the content is derived from various forum discussions (presumably ultimately from fans who have seen Buckethead using various equipment). Thus it probably violates WP:OR as well as WP:V. The source currently in the article is not reliable. The content can be added in again, only if a reliable source can be found to support it. The deleted content can easily be found by looking through the edit history; I have also kept a copy in my user space. As it happens, the '90%' or people looking for this information can easily find it by googling 'Buckethead gear'.bridies (talk) 07:46, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
- And that information will be found here. And someday a valid ref will be added to it. Thats how Wiki works. As before... there is nothing controversial here. This isn't information that is drastically lowering the dependability of Wikipedia (it has none to start with) There is no violation of WP:BLP here. It's just gear. All gear that is out there for everyone to see. It can be deleted it is blatantly wrong. But that would also take a citation. It's unthreatening and perfectly fine the way it is and it can patiently stay that way until a cite comes along. The Real Libs-speak politely 17:45, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
- It's not how wiki works. Again, read the policies: WP:V, WP:OR. The speculative and incoherent crap you're spouting doesn't change them.bridies (talk) 18:07, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
- I concur. Find a reliable source first, then add the information to this article. If the previous list of equipment can all be sourced, fantastic, but it should also be presented as prose rather than a list (which was my other issue with that section - see WP:EMBED). Also to all parties here, please remember to be WP:CIVIL. Marasmusine (talk) 09:43, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
- It's not how wiki works. Again, read the policies: WP:V, WP:OR. The speculative and incoherent crap you're spouting doesn't change them.bridies (talk) 18:07, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
Re: Equipment section
editI see this article now has a reincarnation of the previous unsourced equipment section. Since this has been gone over before (see above) I'm shortly going to remove it (again...), unless those editors that insist on the section being included can prove it is not original research (i.e. by citing some reliable sources). See WP:V and WP:OR. bridies (talk) 04:46, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
- I don't see equipment listed that I've not seen on promo or live pictures of the last 20 years. See the TDRS site and Thanatopsis site for more info. ----Merry Headcheese!-hexaChord2 05:09, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
- Those photos don't support anything written in the equipment section: in many of them the brand of the guitar is not clear, never mind what model of pick-ups are used. You (or some other editor) might verify that the guitar in a particular photo is a Jackson ABC with XYZ pick-ups, but editors are not reliable sources (see WP:OR and WP:V). The Travis Dickerson site is fine, but again only verifies a small amount of what is in the article: for example, the site states Les Paul ( custom made for Buckethead by Gibson) and yet this article states Gibson Les Paul Custom - Baritone neck, enlarged and chambered body, white hardware, killswitch, 24 frets, DiMarzio Air Norton in the bridge and DiMarzio Tone Zone in the neck position. bridies (talk) 06:10, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
- Ok, just give us time to verify all this via sources. But it will take some days. Ok? ----Merry Headcheese!-hexaChord2 06:23, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
- ps: The TDRS site was just an example, especially the Les Paul data is verified by Gibson itself, just have to find the link.----Merry Headcheese!-hexaChord2 06:28, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
- Those photos don't support anything written in the equipment section: in many of them the brand of the guitar is not clear, never mind what model of pick-ups are used. You (or some other editor) might verify that the guitar in a particular photo is a Jackson ABC with XYZ pick-ups, but editors are not reliable sources (see WP:OR and WP:V). The Travis Dickerson site is fine, but again only verifies a small amount of what is in the article: for example, the site states Les Paul ( custom made for Buckethead by Gibson) and yet this article states Gibson Les Paul Custom - Baritone neck, enlarged and chambered body, white hardware, killswitch, 24 frets, DiMarzio Air Norton in the bridge and DiMarzio Tone Zone in the neck position. bridies (talk) 06:10, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
- Sources:
(to be continued)--Merry Headcheese!-hexaChord2 06:46, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
- About the Customs, 7 vids--Happy new Headcheese!-hexaChord2 01:41, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
- The fansites are not reliable (WP:RS) and have been deleted from the article before. The FAQ from the official site is fine but again there is a long way to go in terms of verifying what is actually in the article. bridies (talk) 02:16, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
- Specifically, the source lists make and model of the guitars but not specs (pickups, woods etc) There's nothing about plectrums in the source. Find another (reliable) source or remove the detailed specs from the article. I would go ahead and do the latter but since you've requested I leave it alone for now, I will. bridies (talk) 02:23, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
I have now removed all the equipment that was listed but not verified. If anything else is added it must be verified by a reliable source. I put the citations at the end of each section but if necessary (i.e. if any 'piggy-backing' happens) I'll put one after each piece of equipment. The citations to the the fansites and blogs have been removed because they are, uh, fansites and blogs. It's already bad enough that the whole section relies on Buckethead/Travis Dickerson own sites. Again, please read WP:RS ans WP:SPS before adding any more content to the section.bridies (talk) 02:07, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
- Aren't pictures reliable enough if they come in vast amounts from different sides? As an example you removed the doubleneck from the list which is shown on two official album covers (ETC and Skin Piles) as well as on several pictures and in videos. Do we have to remove that because Rolling Stone didn't write about it? Is it really WP:OR and unsourced? Also your list has several factual errors as for the Gibson LP and Jackson V. I'll leave it alone for the moment because I don't want to start an edit war.----Avant-garde a clue-hexaChord2 02:57, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
- I explained this above. If you have a picture (or a 100 pictures) of Buckethead playing a guitar with 'Jackson' on the headstock, the most it verifies is that Buckethead plays (or at least has posed for a photograph while holding) a Jackson guitar. The previous version of the list included detail on models of guitar, the date of the models, the pick-ups and woods used. These details are simply not verified by the photographs. It takes someone with knowledge of that particular guitar to write 'the guitar in this photograph is a Jackson XYZ, from '99, with facemelter pick-ups and made of ash'. The source therefore is the editor who added the content/photograph and Wikipedia editors are definitely not reliable sources. Regarding the Jackson V, the source (the FAQ on Bucketheadland.com, which if I am not mistaken is Buckethead's own official site) explicitly states: Jackson Flying V. Verifiability, not truth, is the policy. Also, 'because Rolling Stone didn't write about it' is a pretty compelling reason to remove the content. As it stands the section relies entirely on self-published sources: Buckethead's own site and Dickerson's (who is what, Buckethead's producer? Engineer? Distributor?). From WP:SPS: if the information in question is really worth reporting, someone else is likely to have done so. In other other words, if no music publications feel Buckethead's gear preferences are worth writing about, Wikipedia probably shouldn't either; this is an encyclopaedia, for the general reader, not hardcore Buckethead fan. Add to that the the fact that the whole section is a list, which are not supposed to be in articles in the first place (see WP:EMBED), and the revised version is a pretty generous compromise. Again, if you can find a reliable source (very much preferable a third party one) that explicitly says 'Buckethead plays Brand X guitar, model ABC, made in '69 from finest mahogony and fitted with xyz pick-ups', by all means add it in. bridies (talk) 01:31, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
- Travis Dickerson is in fact engineer, producer, bandmate and distributor of BH. There's no doubt about his given information. As s.o. stated before BH is a Guitar Hero (oops...) and people come for data about his equipment. A.t.m. his two main guitars (Gibson LP and Jackson Y2KV, each oversized custom shops to fit his body size) are not mentioned right in this list. As s.o. mentioned earlier, you won't find a regular LP Custom with 24 frets. And as s.o. has also mentioned earlier there never was a "Jackson Flying V" because that's a trademark of Gibson. Ever heard of WP:DICK? Does truth harm you? Or anybody else? As for the PUs and woods I don't care much, that really is discussed in boards and about no one knows exactly what was or is in his LPs for example or how many different exist(ed). But at least the brands/models should be right! Again, for the doubleneck, the list only included "Jackson doubleneck - A custom doubleneck half guitar, half bass" [12] and that's what you can see on several pictures. Also, you removed the Tele, that's well sourced [13] [14]. I really think instead of just deleting content you could give us some time to overwork the section and find better sources (or at least the best available). Fact-flag it if that makes your day better. It does not help to tell lies and that's what the section is doing right now.--Avant-garde a clue-hexaChord2 02:13, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
- I didn't claim there was 'doubt' about Dickerson's site, that's why I left it in. What I am pointing out is that it is self-published. In any case, I did not remove anything verified by Dickerson's page so I don't see what your complaining about. With regards to the Telecaster, that was not in the source you linked earlier so I removed it. I have no problem with it being put back now a source has been found. So what if Buckethead had a track on guitar hero? That might make a general reader interested in him, but not automatically interested in what width of plectrums he uses. Again, show me some reliable, third party coverage of his equipment and I'll accept Wikipedia definitely should cover it. Yes, I know 'Flying V' is a Gibson model and that you normally can't get Les Pauls with 24 frets, but the general reader does not necessarily; again, you or I, or any other Wiki editor, are not reliable sources. By your logic, 'truth' is anything that any Wiki editor swears to, which in turn gives editors the right to add in whatever crap they want; that's why the policy is 'verifiability not truth'. WP:DICK is a light hearted joke (you did notice that right? It's not even hosted on Wikipedia) and certainly doesn't nullify the half dozen or so policies and style manual guidelines I've provided demonstrating why the content should have been removed (and again, there's a case for removing the whole lot, I'm compromising here). I gave you time to source the content and you provided unreliable sources verifying 'Buckethead uses lots of different gear' (or words to that effect) and ignored the specifics; it wasn't looking promising so I went ahead and cleaned it up. WP:V. Note that this is the second time I have removed unverified lists from here and other editors (including at least one admin) have done so as well. bridies (talk) 02:42, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
- You asked for Dickerson so I asnwered, remember? Ok, you know there's no "Jackson Flying V" but still write it, fine. If it's WP policy to mislead "the general reader" (or what you might call it), again fine. By my logic "truth" is "truth" - a "King V" or "Y2KV§ is no "Flying V", there shouldn't be complaints about it. As for time: In most parts of the Western world there were holidays recently and that's why it might take a bit more time to work on articles. You might have noticed that this whole section wasn't written by me but another member of the BHTF. I wanted to give him the chance first to overwork it or at least let the TF have an eye upon it. Again, you could flag or maybe hide content, but not just delete content - that destructive and only leads to emotional nonsense like this conversation. Working on the section would be more constructive I guess. But still I give you a chance to correct your faults.----Avant-garde a clue-hexaChord2 03:03, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
- I'll remove the flying V then, whatever. The point is, the article will not state it's a 'king V' unless a reliable source does. It wasn't whether or not you were working on them, it was the quality of the work, but no matter. WP:V states unverified content can be challenged and removed, so I did. Trying to prevent the article reading like amateurish fanpage crap is hardly destructive in my opinion and while I'm don't know about you, I'm not in anyway 'emotional'... bridies (talk) 03:13, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
- You really make me laugh. His main LPs are no "customs" but "custom shops", there really is a difference - a very big difference [15] Gibson employee Sean Paden about one of the custom shop LPs. As for the Jacksons [16] [17], it should be quite clear that those are special kind of "King Vs" [18]. Again, you chose deletion over common sense.--Avant-garde a clue-hexaChord2 03:46, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
- It's really not, though, and like I have said, the general reader may well not know the difference between 'custom' and 'custom shop', because it's just not inherently obvious. Buckethead's own site states 'Gibson Les Paul Custom', twice. Still, I have changed it to read 'custom made'. With the various Jackson sources you are again engaging in original synthesis. Again, find a source that explicitly states 'Buckethead uses X guitar'; if no source exists, it doesn't go in.bridies (talk) 05:59, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
- The FAQ also says: "oversized white Gibson custom made Les Paul" and I linked to official Gibson videos. Man, you're really exaggerating, just use common sense. As for the Y2KV: [19], good enough? It's an official press photo. Why does it harm you? What about the Tele and the doubleneck? (see this if you think the cover art of ETC and Skin Piles is fake) What's harming you there? I don't need every guitar he'd ever played in the list but at least his most important and illustrious. I've never seen him with a Parker Fly so this seems not that important - maybe s.o. else will tell me the opposite.----Avant-garde a clue-hexaChord2 18:17, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
- The source for the Jackson there is fine. Not the photo, but the actual article, which explicitly states the model name. bridies (talk) 06:17, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
- The FAQ also says: "oversized white Gibson custom made Les Paul" and I linked to official Gibson videos. Man, you're really exaggerating, just use common sense. As for the Y2KV: [19], good enough? It's an official press photo. Why does it harm you? What about the Tele and the doubleneck? (see this if you think the cover art of ETC and Skin Piles is fake) What's harming you there? I don't need every guitar he'd ever played in the list but at least his most important and illustrious. I've never seen him with a Parker Fly so this seems not that important - maybe s.o. else will tell me the opposite.----Avant-garde a clue-hexaChord2 18:17, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
- It's really not, though, and like I have said, the general reader may well not know the difference between 'custom' and 'custom shop', because it's just not inherently obvious. Buckethead's own site states 'Gibson Les Paul Custom', twice. Still, I have changed it to read 'custom made'. With the various Jackson sources you are again engaging in original synthesis. Again, find a source that explicitly states 'Buckethead uses X guitar'; if no source exists, it doesn't go in.bridies (talk) 05:59, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
- You really make me laugh. His main LPs are no "customs" but "custom shops", there really is a difference - a very big difference [15] Gibson employee Sean Paden about one of the custom shop LPs. As for the Jacksons [16] [17], it should be quite clear that those are special kind of "King Vs" [18]. Again, you chose deletion over common sense.--Avant-garde a clue-hexaChord2 03:46, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
- I'll remove the flying V then, whatever. The point is, the article will not state it's a 'king V' unless a reliable source does. It wasn't whether or not you were working on them, it was the quality of the work, but no matter. WP:V states unverified content can be challenged and removed, so I did. Trying to prevent the article reading like amateurish fanpage crap is hardly destructive in my opinion and while I'm don't know about you, I'm not in anyway 'emotional'... bridies (talk) 03:13, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
- You asked for Dickerson so I asnwered, remember? Ok, you know there's no "Jackson Flying V" but still write it, fine. If it's WP policy to mislead "the general reader" (or what you might call it), again fine. By my logic "truth" is "truth" - a "King V" or "Y2KV§ is no "Flying V", there shouldn't be complaints about it. As for time: In most parts of the Western world there were holidays recently and that's why it might take a bit more time to work on articles. You might have noticed that this whole section wasn't written by me but another member of the BHTF. I wanted to give him the chance first to overwork it or at least let the TF have an eye upon it. Again, you could flag or maybe hide content, but not just delete content - that destructive and only leads to emotional nonsense like this conversation. Working on the section would be more constructive I guess. But still I give you a chance to correct your faults.----Avant-garde a clue-hexaChord2 03:03, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
- I didn't claim there was 'doubt' about Dickerson's site, that's why I left it in. What I am pointing out is that it is self-published. In any case, I did not remove anything verified by Dickerson's page so I don't see what your complaining about. With regards to the Telecaster, that was not in the source you linked earlier so I removed it. I have no problem with it being put back now a source has been found. So what if Buckethead had a track on guitar hero? That might make a general reader interested in him, but not automatically interested in what width of plectrums he uses. Again, show me some reliable, third party coverage of his equipment and I'll accept Wikipedia definitely should cover it. Yes, I know 'Flying V' is a Gibson model and that you normally can't get Les Pauls with 24 frets, but the general reader does not necessarily; again, you or I, or any other Wiki editor, are not reliable sources. By your logic, 'truth' is anything that any Wiki editor swears to, which in turn gives editors the right to add in whatever crap they want; that's why the policy is 'verifiability not truth'. WP:DICK is a light hearted joke (you did notice that right? It's not even hosted on Wikipedia) and certainly doesn't nullify the half dozen or so policies and style manual guidelines I've provided demonstrating why the content should have been removed (and again, there's a case for removing the whole lot, I'm compromising here). I gave you time to source the content and you provided unreliable sources verifying 'Buckethead uses lots of different gear' (or words to that effect) and ignored the specifics; it wasn't looking promising so I went ahead and cleaned it up. WP:V. Note that this is the second time I have removed unverified lists from here and other editors (including at least one admin) have done so as well. bridies (talk) 02:42, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
- Travis Dickerson is in fact engineer, producer, bandmate and distributor of BH. There's no doubt about his given information. As s.o. stated before BH is a Guitar Hero (oops...) and people come for data about his equipment. A.t.m. his two main guitars (Gibson LP and Jackson Y2KV, each oversized custom shops to fit his body size) are not mentioned right in this list. As s.o. mentioned earlier, you won't find a regular LP Custom with 24 frets. And as s.o. has also mentioned earlier there never was a "Jackson Flying V" because that's a trademark of Gibson. Ever heard of WP:DICK? Does truth harm you? Or anybody else? As for the PUs and woods I don't care much, that really is discussed in boards and about no one knows exactly what was or is in his LPs for example or how many different exist(ed). But at least the brands/models should be right! Again, for the doubleneck, the list only included "Jackson doubleneck - A custom doubleneck half guitar, half bass" [12] and that's what you can see on several pictures. Also, you removed the Tele, that's well sourced [13] [14]. I really think instead of just deleting content you could give us some time to overwork the section and find better sources (or at least the best available). Fact-flag it if that makes your day better. It does not help to tell lies and that's what the section is doing right now.--Avant-garde a clue-hexaChord2 02:13, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
- I explained this above. If you have a picture (or a 100 pictures) of Buckethead playing a guitar with 'Jackson' on the headstock, the most it verifies is that Buckethead plays (or at least has posed for a photograph while holding) a Jackson guitar. The previous version of the list included detail on models of guitar, the date of the models, the pick-ups and woods used. These details are simply not verified by the photographs. It takes someone with knowledge of that particular guitar to write 'the guitar in this photograph is a Jackson XYZ, from '99, with facemelter pick-ups and made of ash'. The source therefore is the editor who added the content/photograph and Wikipedia editors are definitely not reliable sources. Regarding the Jackson V, the source (the FAQ on Bucketheadland.com, which if I am not mistaken is Buckethead's own official site) explicitly states: Jackson Flying V. Verifiability, not truth, is the policy. Also, 'because Rolling Stone didn't write about it' is a pretty compelling reason to remove the content. As it stands the section relies entirely on self-published sources: Buckethead's own site and Dickerson's (who is what, Buckethead's producer? Engineer? Distributor?). From WP:SPS: if the information in question is really worth reporting, someone else is likely to have done so. In other other words, if no music publications feel Buckethead's gear preferences are worth writing about, Wikipedia probably shouldn't either; this is an encyclopaedia, for the general reader, not hardcore Buckethead fan. Add to that the the fact that the whole section is a list, which are not supposed to be in articles in the first place (see WP:EMBED), and the revised version is a pretty generous compromise. Again, if you can find a reliable source (very much preferable a third party one) that explicitly says 'Buckethead plays Brand X guitar, model ABC, made in '69 from finest mahogony and fitted with xyz pick-ups', by all means add it in. bridies (talk) 01:31, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
I've restored User:TimmyTermite's list to Wikipedia:WikiProject Guitarists/Buckethead task force/Equipment. We can work on it there before moving it back to the main article.----Avant-garde a clue-hexaChord2 03:28, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
Travis Dickerson Collaboration
editWhile the album was released as a Buckethead album, not explictly Buckethead & Travis Dickerson, Travis Dickerson wrote and performed heavily on Population Override... I don't have it handy, I'm in the middle of a move, but I'm pretty sure he's given principle writing credit in the liner notes, so I changed the date on the start of their collaboration. If anyone feels the need to be strict about this, we can change it back until I can get my hands on my albums to double check. -D (talk) 13:09, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
- Well, if you count PO (you're right about the credit), we'd also count Tunnel (album) (1999!). I think that was about the first one. Not to forget Thanatopsis (album) (2001!). The point is that the Noodles and Tunnel are the only albums to feature Travis and BH as a duo. All others are group efforts to a certain extend. Happy move! ;-) --Avant-garde a clue-hexaChord2 13:34, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
Except that DCK and Thanatopsis DO involve other people and they are defined as being a separate recording artist as well, they're already established in the section. Much like we have Frankenstein Brothers, so there's no need for a separate entry in the collaborations section unless they decide to record under their own aliases without the band name. Pinchface performs on Population Override, but only in the role that him and Brain usually take when Bucket uses them on albums, which is to say they're probably performing under his direction, probably not a huge creative component. The precedent I'm considering, which might not be right, is that PO is the collaboration of two solo artists together, not two artists collaborating on a specific band or project. I can't imagine how hard it must be to keep track of this stuff when it comes to some of the jazz and traditional folk/country/bluegrass bands who constantly swap members and perform as collectives. -D (talk) 22:57, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
- Ok, this clears things up a bit. AFAIK Tunnel really is made by just TD and BH but it's a BH baby and usually also may feauture Laswell etc. Ok, I can accept that. I still think the original poster of this section aimed on the Noodles albums though and that's why I maybe would drop this section completely.
- But to confuse things a bit I'd also throw 5 Minutes Alone and Noodle House in one section as they feature the same duo. See this workpage for what I think will be a better alternative (discussion here).
- BH is not that far away from a classical jazz musician, something I guess Zorn and Laswell have supported in the early days. Unfortunately this is missing a bit in the last years - at least there's not a a lot of new connections. Just Bill there, Bootsy there, solo, solo, solo, Viggo, Travis...--Avant-garde a clue-hexaChord2 00:52, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
That's an excellent idea, my only issue is: are we going to be able to find refs for a lot of this information? I have many, many of the albums, but liner notes are often sparse, and online third party sources are even more so. Not an issue for me as long as we have well intentioned people focused on the list, but maybe some stricter editors might complain about lacking citation. As long as there's enough material to jump that hurdle, and we have a good idea of what constitutes notable in this case, I'm all for it. I'd just point out that "collaborator" is the English spelling for the word. Also, perhaps it might work better if we replaced "Instrument" with another field to serve the same role since some collaborators we might want to add don't play the music, but make artwork or produce (Dan Monti comes to mind). Also, this content crosses over with the discography page as well, so let's make sure we're not repeating ourselves or creating a ratsnest of redundancy. -D (talk) 04:57, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
- Well, there's allmusic and discogs at least if we don't find anything else. Plus, I guess we don't need a source for every statement as long as it is not disputed.--Avant-garde a clue-hexaChord2 21:49, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
how many albums?
editIt says in the intro that he has released 24 albums, but later says that he released 28 albums in 2007. How is this possible? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.224.208.60 (talk) 07:11, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
- Well, the 24 is regarding to solo albums but not to group efforts (like Praxis or his album with Bryan "Brain" Mantia or his releases as Death Cube K), compilations (original material or not) or guest appearances. Another thing is that In Search of The is a set of 13 cds all containing original material but usually not counted as 13 different albums. So, ISoT alone makes about half of this 28 album claim. I'm not so happy with this count but as it might be some sort of world record or something, his high amount of non-live all original studio output surely is notable.--Avant-garde a clue-hexaChord2 17:16, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
- Its 26 now right guys... if you count "ISoT" as 1 album, and the new release "Slaughter House on the Prarie". Bingewedge (talk) 22:00, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
- 24 or 28 albums is hardly any record. Muslimgauze released over 90 of them! 62.78.178.54 (talk) 01:28, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
- In one year? 217.228.122.92 (talk) 07:33, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
And now its 306 albums. Wow. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.77.208.161 (talk) 01:29, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
Flesh For The Beast score
editThere is not a single mention of Bucket's score for the movie Flesh For the Beast, either in the article, or on this discussion page. Seems strange to me. He scored the entire movie himself, that's quite an accomplishment that should be mentioned in an article which points out practically every band and musician on earth that he's been involved with. His scoring of this movie is certainly more of an achievement than him trying out for Ozzy's band. One of the cuts from the soundtrack was featured on his website for a while. I'm surprised no other fans have commented on this omission. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.21.199.90 (talk) 22:08, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
- Well, find a source and WP:SOFIXIT :) bridies (talk) 22:11, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
- Nvmd, I see it's still semi-protected even though the icon has gone. bridies (talk) 22:12, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
- See Deli Creeps.--Avant-garde a clue-hexaChord2 22:59, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
Arcana
editShould we add Arcana to his list of bands? He has been noted to be a guitarist in the second album released "Arc of the Testimony". Please let me know if Anyone else has noticed this. and perhaps it could be added to the "to do list". p.s. i am working furvently on the 1st to do item about; "his music not his looks."
thanks .:charlie:. Bingewedge (talk) 21:55, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
- First: Be bold. Add him to the list or not as you wish. My opinion about this list is not too high (as stated somewhere above). The band has an own article which should be expanded IMHO. That's more important. Next would be the album article. --Avant-garde a clue-hexaChord2 22:02, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
Rework and ACID
editWhile I have lots of sources, incl. magazines and books, as well as lots of ideas for new sections (playing style, influences, acclaim etc.) I just don't know where to start at. Any help highly appreciated! --Avant-garde a clue-hexaChord2 21:27, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
- OK, first thing is to get the article as comprehensive as possible. I know nothing about buckethead so can't comment on works, but I note there is very little personal history. This should be exapnded, or if there isn't much known, this should be stated and sourced. Also, I didn't see much about influences on BH and other musicians who have been influenced by him (might have missed it though).
- Then - once article is comprehensive and fully reffed with RS, I can help copyedit. Then GA/FAC etc. Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:06, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
- There's really little known about his private life, so this can't be expanded much. As stated above, it would be no problem to expand the article with some new sections, but what to do with the content already there? I had the idea to split the career into two sections (solo and group work) or even three (guest appearances) and make subsections for the more important bands like GN'R and Praxis. Someone not too familiar with the topic (like you) could be really helpful, as I think I'm too much into the topic to see the whole picture clear enough. --Avant-garde a clue-hexaChord2 22:56, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
GnR section
editThe Guns n Roses 'response' to buckethead leaving the band seems out of place considering this is a buckethead article and not a gnr one. it's also very pro-gnr. there isn't even a mention of why buckethead left the band, and seems to blame him for gnr not releasing an album for 15 years.
if it doesn't get sorted out i will delete the section described. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.191.120.158 (talk) 07:52, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
- I think the section is too small for four years. It could be expanded and the press release could be shortened or only cited. If you have reliable sources that tell the circumstances behind Buckethead leaving GN'R, post them here, so we all can work on this article together. --Avant-garde a clue-hexaChord2 09:44, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
MTV says that Buckethead left GnR because nothing was ever getting done. it paraphrases his manager, without any direct quotes.
http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1485811/20040317/guns_n_roses.jhtml
not sure if i'll be able to do any better. 124.191.120.158 (talk) 08:55, 24 May 2009 (UTC)Bernard
Jordan (Single)
editI'd like to bring it to your attention that iTunes has released a 'Jordan' single, based off of the Guitar Hero II version. While it is not an official hard copy, there is now a Buckethead release featuring Jordan. Please update the information as such.
Merry Headcheese! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.0.18.211 (talk) 19:08, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
Paul Gilbert and Shawn Lane Lessons
editIt's a pretty well known fact that Buckethead shared some lesson time with Paul Gilbert but to maintain that he learned all he knows or studied for any extended period of time is ludicrous. Long before he became Buckethead or met Gilbert, he was already playing in the style he does today. I find it doubtful he ever actually sat down and took lessons with Shawn Lane. For many years he studied under guitar teacher Pebber Brown who transcribed into tab a lot of Lane's material for BH. Buckethead can be heard to remind Maximum Bob in an early Young Buckethead Video to mention Pebber Brown. Maximum Bob relayed for Buckethead that "Pebber was the Master of Scales and Everything Chordal" You can find that as a source of fact on youtube. He took lessons at Styles Music in Pomona California and studied there under Johnny Fortune, Max Mcguire and Pebber Brown. You can put 2 and 2 together by watching the Young Buckethead videos and on Youtube watch the ClassX videos of him before he became BH. Pebber followed as a major player in ClassX which evolved into a group called The Radio Cowboys with Johnny Fortune. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.95.36.13 (talk) 21:08, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
Buckethead's family
editBuckethead's father, Tom Carroll is a sports teachter at Damien High School. This is also the school Buckethead has attended. Buckethead has 1 older brother John en 3 sisters: Lynn, Lisa, Laura.
http://www.laverneonline.com/2009/11/09/death-taxes-and-athletic-director-tom-carroll/
BTW, what happened to te section of buckthead's marriage with Anne Rolston? (Karenlp (talk) 18:53, 24 February 2010 (UTC))
It was removed because that kind of statement should have a reference. Do you have a reference for it? The Incident (talk) 21:10, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
no, I tried to find it, but Anne Rolston is nowhere to be found. There is a woman who calls herself mrs Buckethead, but she is married to somebody else. Perhaps the writer mixed persons up? http://perfidy.org/ministers/buckethead/ But it could be true? Who as the original writer of that part? Where did he got the information? (95.96.151.9 (talk) 21:49, 24 February 2010 (UTC))
It may be true or it may not, but it shouldn't go in the article until we can find a reliable source for it. The Incident (talk) 00:58, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
Could you find out who wrote this section originally? Ik wonder where he got this information. I've searched the net, but nothing to be found. If it is true, there must be something to be found? It's kind of interesting though, that Wikipedia is the only source that gave this info... (Karenlp (talk) 09:37, 25 February 2010 (UTC))
Jimi Hendrix Influence
editI have not yet found a source for Buckethead citing Jimi as a musical influence, but Buckethead plays many pieces of Jimi such as "Stone Free", "Purple Haze", "Who Knows", "Machine Gun", or "Foxy Lady". I think this is enough to add Jimi in the Influences section. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 07:54, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
He's influenced by a lot of music. Led Zeppelin, Fleetwood Mac, Wu-Tang Clan, The Chemical Brothers, and on and on and on. We could sit here for weeks compiling all of it, but I don't think that we should really bother. The stuff that's already written says enough. --184.59.17.122 (talk) 17:12, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
- At least add Led Zeppelin to the list, since there are obvious traces of Led Zeppelin in his songs. If you don't believe me, listen to Spooner Arks from his album Albino Slug and you'll see what I mean. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheNethero (talk • contribs) 05:44, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
seriousness of anti-KFC activism??
editFrom the article, it is unclear whether this guy's views on KFC is serious or a joke —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.193.112.62 (talk) 20:14, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
It's at least a part of his persona. I don't think he'll ever give a legitimate answer as to whether it's something he believes or not. Xprivate eyex (talk) 11:07, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
In the "DVD Young Buckethead" He said he loves chickens, people must never eat chickens and that if he see Colonel Sanders he will torture and kill him. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.52.38.67 (talk) 03:12, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
Pikes Album?
editSomeone posted information on a new (3rd) Buckethead Pikes album, but I can't find mention to it anywhere? Anybody in the know or is it misinformation? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bozman7000 (talk • contribs) 19:51, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
Instruments Chicken?
editUnder instruments it lists chicken as one of his. Is this vandalism or serious? 208.102.200.28 (talk) 14:14, 1 October 2011 (UTC)
- In the song The Ballad of Buckethead he uses a choir of chickens as a sound effect, but I hardly see how that would qualify as an instrument. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.174.213.7 (talk) 02:07, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
Residence
editHe's categorized on this talk page as within the scope of the San Francisco Bay Area Task Force. However, I cant find any mention in his article, or online, as to why this is. Does he live in the Bay Area? I know he released the album Colma, and that there is a memorabilia center for him in Colma. I am not a fan (yet), so i wouldnt know if its more obscure (given his stage persona and fictional backstory, i can see his actual life being not documented well).(mercurywoodrose)12.125.80.214 (talk) 16:51, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
- On his old website it says he lives in Claremont California.
- idk if that counts but its there 82.3.126.221 (talk) 15:27, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
Pikes
editI've noticed some of the pikes have been removed from his "box" at the bottom of the page. If the pikes are all being released in a serial manner (even having a separate collective name) and all have time lengths too short for albums, I think we should create a category for them, instead of cramming them up with the rest of his releases. --85.138.5.123 (talk) 17:50, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
Kill switch.
editIsn't Buckethead a popularizer/pioneer of playing with a kill switch? At least, doesn't he play it more than just about anyone? There's no mention of it in the article. Anyone have a source for something like this? ColinClark (talk) 02:50, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
Pictures of Brian Carroll
editWhy doesn't this article feature any pictures of Brian Carroll? There is at least one known, verifiable, publicly available image of him on the internet, I believe it originated as a clipping from some guitar magazine, probably taken when he was in his early twenties... in addition there are 3 or 4 other images, less "verifiable," (but widely believed to be of Brian Carroll) all of which show a young, tall, long-haired, guy grinning broadly, carrying his guitar gear in a backpack; one of these images appears to show him standing next to Joe Satriani, again I believe taken when he was in his early twenties or something... surprised that all of the images here depict only the "Buckethead" stage persona... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.232.137.136 (talk) 23:17, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
- Wikipedia's stupid copyright policy, which only allows free images to be used to illustrate real, living people. So the guitar magazine clippings are out. I'm assuming the others are also copyrighted, and the uncertainty about whether it's actually him probably rules out their use per Wiki's these-days strict verifiability policies for bios of living people. It might be possible to get away with a fair-use claim on the magazine clipping based on the fact he never identifies himself in public without the mask and costume, and the fact the magazine has some historical, critical comment; but probably not, strictly speaking. bridies (talk) 12:16, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
- Indeed, turns out that at the rumored other images aren't of Buckethead, but of another cult, but otherwise non-mysterious French guy. bridies (talk) 17:09, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
- Dude! How did you even know which images I was referring to? :-)
- I guess, to be fair, you probably found the images same way I did - typing "Brian Carroll unmasked" into a search engine, or something like that...
- Right - anyway, here are the images I was talking about -
- This is the "verifiable" one - reproduced numerous times, on numerous sites all over the web - from some guitar magazine, quotes his age as 20 at the time, so probably from '89 or '90, I'd guess (given that his birth year has been widely given as 1969):
- Indeed, turns out that at the rumored other images aren't of Buckethead, but of another cult, but otherwise non-mysterious French guy. bridies (talk) 17:09, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
- Here's the "less verifiable" ones - i.e. there's no "formal" confirmation of who the guy actually is, but you see a tall, gangly-looking, long-haired guy, with remarkably long fingers:
- http://ts1.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4522515937558892&pid=15.1
- http://ts4.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4745927228457527&pid=15.1
- http://ts4.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4522515937558887&pid=15.1
- I get it, you're probably thinking of Fanalo Alaux, but I'm fairly sure the guy in the images above is Carroll and not Alaux. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.232.137.136 (talk) 13:24, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
- I'm aware of the guitar magazine one, which only has the copyright issues (although I've read at least one unqualified claim that it's also fake; anyone have an original print copy?). The others, yes, I'm pretty sure are Fanalo (Stephane Alaux). The ones you linked are all on his site, as are others which people have cited as pictures of "Buckethead". There are of course people who claim it's Buckethead, that they know the guy who took the photo(s), and so on (in which case the Fanalo site would have to be fake, it's not exactly professional looking). I do think it's odd that Buckethead's friends and family would only be publishing pictures of him and famous guitarists (the sort of photos an obscure guitarist would be inclined to publish on his personal site, for instance). I think it's highly unlikely that they're Buckethead and not Fanalo, but in any case the confusion alone means we can't use the photos. bridies (talk) 09:29, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
- Okay, I'll go with you on this one... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.176.105.148 (talk) 22:20, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
- I'm aware of the guitar magazine one, which only has the copyright issues (although I've read at least one unqualified claim that it's also fake; anyone have an original print copy?). The others, yes, I'm pretty sure are Fanalo (Stephane Alaux). The ones you linked are all on his site, as are others which people have cited as pictures of "Buckethead". There are of course people who claim it's Buckethead, that they know the guy who took the photo(s), and so on (in which case the Fanalo site would have to be fake, it's not exactly professional looking). I do think it's odd that Buckethead's friends and family would only be publishing pictures of him and famous guitarists (the sort of photos an obscure guitarist would be inclined to publish on his personal site, for instance). I think it's highly unlikely that they're Buckethead and not Fanalo, but in any case the confusion alone means we can't use the photos. bridies (talk) 09:29, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
- Here's the "less verifiable" ones - i.e. there's no "formal" confirmation of who the guy actually is, but you see a tall, gangly-looking, long-haired guy, with remarkably long fingers:
image deletion
editThe stage shot File:Buckethead performing in 2012.jpg will be deleted from Commons, as it has been found to be likely a copyvio. --Túrelio (talk) 07:22, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
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Jazz guitarist?
editBuckethead is not notable as a jazz guitarist, from what I can see. He doesn't appear in the three-volume New Grove Dictionary of Jazz. The AllMusic entry for him lists the category jazz in the right column, but the brief biography offers as proof only that he was motivated by John Zorn and that his style combines "elements of Yngwie Malmsteen, Adrian Belew, Slayer's Kerry King, P-Funk's Eddie Hazel, and avant-improv artist John Zorn's Scud-attack sax abuse". I'm especially puzzled by "Scud-attack sax abuse".
I would like to delete the category that puts him in a list of jazz guitarists.
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J-Pop?
editJ-Pop is mentioned in the genres section, but I'm pretty sure he's not done anything that could be considered that. Should it be deleted, or does he have some J-Pop band I don't know about? Storyboutme (talk) 13:44, 7 July 2017 (UTC)
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Discussion about deleting or redirecting many Buckethead album articles
editPlease see this discussion. --Hobbes Goodyear (talk) 02:29, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
John Romero's Sigil?
editIs it relevant enough to the article to mention that Buckethead scored the music for John Romero's Sigil? It was a new episode of levels in 2019 for the classic 1993 videogame Doom, made by one of the original developers, and Buckethead doing the soundtrack was touted prominently. It's a small thing in the grand scheme of things, but I'm still wondering if it fits in at all. 90.141.178.230 (talk) 20:24, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
Reception?!
editIf Buckethead was, on average, releasing an album every three days in 2015 how were these critically received? Could even diehard fans, yet alone professional reviewers, keep up? JezGrove (talk) 22:52, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
Paintings
editShould probably mention his 1000's of paintings... He does sell many of these a week for a pretty nice sum of money, which would qualify him as a professional painter I would assume. If anyone is interested in seeing the past ones from his website which have been sold, you can simply go to http://www.bucketheadpikes.com/images/paint_2481.jpg and change the number before .jpg. All the previews are still available on the server. (Ex. http://www.bucketheadpikes.com/images/paint_100.jpg) Alphaknave (talk) 20:46, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
Brian Carrol
editThere is nothing demonic about Buckethead. 2604:3D08:127C:EE00:A8F2:57E3:B2BE:955B (talk) 17:38, 21 September 2023 (UTC)