Talk:Blue Quran

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Restructuring this page?

Hi everyone,

It seems that this page has fallen into a little bit of disrepair :( I was reading over it, and I think there are two changes we could make to start revamping this article.

1. The lead section pushes off how famous this manuscript until the second sentence, and prioritizes some of the discussion around its origin. I think its important that we instead introduce the manuscript, give its possible dating, mention its fame, then give the line about its form, then discuss its location of origin (those last two could be flipped, wdyt?). 2. We should put the form section above the history section. I know that sounds weird, but right now a major problem with our history section is that it references a lot of the physical characteristics of the manuscript. If we put the form section first, then we can streamline the history section and let it flow into the controversy of origin section.

Let me know what you think! -- Melinasr (talk) 16:30, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

@Melinasr: Hi and welcome! These suggestions seem good: in particular, the History section is loaded with information that isn't about the history of the Blue Quran but could be in other sections, and the history and provenance belong closer together. The lead paragraph is a bit short, so putting in more basic descriptive information about the manuscript would be an improvement. The existing text is quite well-referenced, but if you find other reliable sources about the Blue Quran, please summarise them in the relevant section of the article. Cheers, MartinPoulter (talk) 18:05, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

About that quote 2013 unquote Sotheby's auction

1. Ding dong the link is dead! The one to CanvasGuide, 500 strikes once again. Easy enough to fix. Oh, and artdaily.org article helpfully informs us that the $40M sale was two auctions, namely:

"A Princely Collection: Treasures from the Islamic World", 05.10.2010, L10225, 91 lots;

"Arts of the Islamic World", 06.10.2010, L10223, 245 lots.

And helpfully informs us that the folio was lot 7 of the former, estimate was £200k-300k but it was sold for £529,250.

2. Only at this point Sotheby's archive is less than helpful. It does not show lot 7. Jumps from lot 5 straight to lot 8. Both are, as one might expect, Koran folios, kufic script. Not one lot in the auction is "Koran, gold kufic script, blue vellum". Not a single one. Obviously enough, we are not allowed to know just which folio would it have been.

As far as I know, in the last few years, Sotheby's sold following Blue Koran's pages:

12.10.2004, The Cow 187-192, est. £40k-60k, goes for £72k;

24.09.2007, The Cow 74-81, est. £70k-90k, goes for £180k;

04.10.2011, The Cow 267-273, est. £200k-300k, goes for £277k;

05.10.2010, unknown folio, est. £200k-300k, goes for £530k - or does it?;

22.04.2015, The Women 12-17, est. £300k-400k, goes for £365k (previously sold on 26.04.2012, at Christie's, for 241k).

3. My guess? Someone managed to lose their cool. Or something else goes on. Unless someone opposes, I'll change the link in question and add a note. 83.9.213.25 (talk) 22:20, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

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New mass edits

Hi everyone,

Just wanted to update you on some edits I made. Some of it was streamlining what the article already had (cutting back duplicate/dead sources, removing repeated info, reorganizing sections), but I did do substantial work. Most importantly, I added quite a lot to the form section, as I detailed some more technical aspects of the manuscript based on some more recent work from Cheryl Porter and Susan Whitfield. Additionally, I more clearly laid out the three main theories for the origin of the manuscript using the sources we already had, plus a fantastic summary of the literature from Emily Neumeier, which has been cited in some more recent literature. Please take a look at the edits and let me know what you think!

Oh, and for the sake of transparency: here is the link to my sandbox if you want to look at my revision history.

Melinasr (talk) 06:37, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

Add. Info to "Form": Erasure of Folios

Hello everyone,

I would like to suggest an edit or rather additional information for the 'Form' section. As I am new I'd like to check first if you think that would be fine. Info: Several of the folios of the Blue Coran have been cleared of the gold script, sometimes just parts were erased, in some cases a whole page. The reason is mostly unknown. Ref.: About the source: It is a scientific online edition of the Quran and surrounding resources with original content by German Academy of Sciences and Humanities. The project is called 'Corpus Coranicum', the author of the specific article is a well known scholar (Marcus Fraser). Thank you! CaramelDiamant (talk) 07:37, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

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