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The Political Position of the BJP
editCurrently it is "Right-Wing". But it should probably be "Right-Wing to Far-Right" in my opinion. Finding scholarly sources for it will certainly be a task, but I can clearly see a case for this.
Speeches like this by the Prime Minister who also happens to be the face of this party should render its position "Far-Right" or at the very least "Right-Wing to Far-Right" https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/choose-between-vote-jihad-and-ram-rajya-pm-modi-at-election-rally-5613571 Faaz Noushad (talk) 20:33, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Do you have any reliable sources describing it as "right-wing to far-right"? Brunton (talk) 20:41, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- The BJP's paramilitary wing, the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh, is already classified as far-right on its wiki page. It makes logical sense that the political party itself, if not using solely "far-right" to be classified as "right-wing to far-right". Game2Winter (talk) 23:01, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- There isn't one, there is a lot.[1][2][3][4][5][6][7] Hidolo (talk) 02:49, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- I know that it is sometimes said that the "radical right" are part of the far right,[10] but the people who say this may have an agenda of their own. In any case, Wikipedia policy WP:NOR does not allow us to combine multiple sources to support a statement that none of the sources explicitly support. -- Toddy1 (talk) 08:03, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- how ever, there are a lot more. And you haven't even seen the other ones. In most far-right parties on English Wikipedia, they mention that it is a subset and they equate it. Please. Hidolo (talk) 12:57, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- You gave a list of seven citations, and I checked two, which did NOT support "far right" (they supported "populist radical right"). If you have citations that explicitly support "far right", then cite just them and quote what they say.-- Toddy1 (talk) 14:31, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- First, Wikipedia itself equates the extreme right with the radical right. See National Rally, Alternative for Germany, etc. Everyone accredits what I mean. What you say goes against Wikipedia itself. Second, here are all the quotes.
- 3rd one: [...] the Indian far right, as represented by the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) [...], p103.
- 4th one: [...] including the ruling, far-right nativist and authoritarian Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP, see Mudde, 2019) [...], unknown page.
- 5th one: The indu far-right Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) [...], p158.
- 6th onw: [...] upper and middle castes joined forces in the far-right Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP). p107.
- And the last one is a new, you can check for your own.
- I can show you so much more sources if you want. Hidolo (talk) 15:18, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- If you want this to proceed, you need to write a paragraph for the article on the BJP's political position. This needs to cite the kinds of sources you mention and to explain what they say. Please use Template:Cite book. For your "3rd one" this is probably a more useful URL than this because it helps the user find the right bit.
- If all you want to do is to change the infobox... that is not going to happen until there is a paragraph in the text about this. The infobox is meant to be a summary, not a replacement for the article.-- Toddy1 (talk) 16:14, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- I would put [The party is widely described as right-wing, but has recently been described as far-right]. And thats it. But I can't modify the article because of the blocking, if you can add it would be corteus, and I would thank you a lot. Hidolo (talk) 17:54, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- Hi, you forgot to put it on the infobox "right-wing to far-right". Hidolo (talk) 22:23, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
- [11]-- Toddy1 (talk) 23:01, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
- Shouldn't it be "Right-Wing to Far-Right" instead of "Right-Wing or Far-Right" ? Faaz Noushad (talk) 12:26, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- No. Some sources say "Right-Wing", whilst other says "Far-Right". It seems to be a matter of opinion which it is.-- Toddy1 (talk) 14:37, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah we should be weary of such changes, because in pop culture the use of word "Fascism" has already degraded to mean nothing. At least on wikipedia the usage should be more descriptive. Averagepcuser (talk) 16:37, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- No. Some sources say "Right-Wing", whilst other says "Far-Right". It seems to be a matter of opinion which it is.-- Toddy1 (talk) 14:37, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- Shouldn't it be "Right-Wing to Far-Right" instead of "Right-Wing or Far-Right" ? Faaz Noushad (talk) 12:26, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- [11]-- Toddy1 (talk) 23:01, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
- You gave a list of seven citations, and I checked two, which did NOT support "far right" (they supported "populist radical right"). If you have citations that explicitly support "far right", then cite just them and quote what they say.-- Toddy1 (talk) 14:31, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- how ever, there are a lot more. And you haven't even seen the other ones. In most far-right parties on English Wikipedia, they mention that it is a subset and they equate it. Please. Hidolo (talk) 12:57, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- I know that it is sometimes said that the "radical right" are part of the far right,[10] but the people who say this may have an agenda of their own. In any case, Wikipedia policy WP:NOR does not allow us to combine multiple sources to support a statement that none of the sources explicitly support. -- Toddy1 (talk) 08:03, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- Right wing is more appropriate please don't talk about your own personal perception. 2405:201:A000:9907:988A:E383:98FC:2DC4 (talk) 06:29, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- copied from User talk:Hidolo
- I want to add the following text in the "ideology and political positions" section. Obviously then in the template:
- "The party along the history has been widely described as a right-wing party,[1][2] but has recently been described as far-right one, specifically is considered part of the radical right, a subset of the far-right that does not oppose democracy.[3]" Hidolo (talk) 22:54, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
References
- ^ Malik & Singh 1992, pp. 318–336; Banerjee 2005, p. 3118; BBC 2012.
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- Mogul, Rhea (2024-04-15). "Narendra Modi: India's popular but controversial leader seeking a transformative third term". CNN. Retrieved 2024-05-19.
- Mehrotra, Karishma; Shih, Gerry (2024-04-20). "As India votes, women and the young could put Modi and BJP over the top". Washington Post. ISSN 0190-8286. Retrieved 2024-05-19.
- "Modi's Hindu Nationalist Agenda Is Corroding India's Democracy". World Politics Review. 2023-10-30. Retrieved 2024-05-19.
{{cite web}}: CS1 maint: url-status (link) - John, Satish; Sood, Varun (2014-06-18). "IT firms like SAP, Oracle helped Bharatiya Janata Party mount successful election campaign". The Economic Times. ISSN 0013-0389. Retrieved 2024-05-19.
- "Hindu nationalism is a threat to Muslims and India's status as the world's largest democracy". Los Angeles Times. 2022-02-16. Retrieved 2024-05-19.
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- Davies, Peter; Lynch, Derek (2005-08-16). The Routledge Companion to Fascism and the Far Right. Routledge. p. 103. ISBN 978-1-134-60952-9.
- Forchtner, Bernhard (2023-10-17). Visualising far-right environments: Communication and the politics of nature. Manchester University Press. pp. undocumented. ISBN 978-1-5261-6537-4.
- Gill, Martin (2022-06-22). The Handbook of Security. Springer Nature. p. 158. ISBN 978-3-030-91735-7.
- Kullrich, Nina (2022-02-14). Skin Colour Politics: Whiteness and Beauty in India. Springer Nature. p. 107. ISBN 978-3-662-64922-0.
- Leidig, Eviane; Mudde, Cas (2023-05-09). "Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP): The overlooked populist radical right party". Journal of Language and Politics. 22 (3): 360–377. doi:10.1075/jlp.22134.lei. ISSN 1569-2159.360-377&rft.date=2023-05-09&rft_id=info:doi/10.1075/jlp.22134.lei&rft.issn=1569-2159&rft.aulast=Leidig&rft.aufirst=Eviane&rft.au=Mudde, Cas&rft_id=https://benjamins.com/catalog/jlp.22134.lei&rfr_id=info:sid/en.wikipedia.org:Talk:Bharatiya Janata Party" class="Z3988">
- Ammassari, Sofia; Fossati, Diego; McDonnell, Duncan. "Supporters of India's BJP: Distinctly Populist and Nativist". Government and Opposition. 58 (4): 807–823. doi:10.1017/gov.2022.18. ISSN 0017-257X.807-823&rft_id=info:doi/10.1017/gov.2022.18&rft.issn=0017-257X&rft.aulast=Ammassari&rft.aufirst=Sofia&rft.au=Fossati, Diego&rft.au=McDonnell, Duncan&rft_id=https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/government-and-opposition/article/abs/supporters-of-indias-bjp-distinctly-populist-and-nativist/3D2C84D6F81E1F9CCDD89654B40AB6E8&rfr_id=info:sid/en.wikipedia.org:Talk:Bharatiya Janata Party" class="Z3988">
- "Why the Far Right Rules Modi's India". jacobin.com. Retrieved 2024-05-19.
moved from User talk:Toddy1
"The party along the history has been widely described as a right-wing party, but has recently been described as far-right, specifically it is considered part of the radical right, a subset of the far-right that does not oppose democracy."
You used 14 sources for what the most generous English teacher wouldn't count as 1 full paragraph. Come on, at best it's WP:OVERKILL and worst it's WP:CHERRYPICKING. Citing the Talk:Bharatiya Janata Party#The Political Position of the BJP, doesn't help, reading that back and forth, it screams of pushing a specific narrative WP:NPOVD.
To be clear, I don't disagree with the general findings but just pick one or two sources, preferably academic (PhD political scientist is best) in nature so they stand up longer over time. Also, please lose the loaded phrase "radical right" unless you wanna put an Efn on it.
Political position
editI don't think it matters how the parties' positions compare to parties outside of the country, given the precedent set in Talk:Democratic Party (United States), the party's position as viewed from the perspective of people in the country is what matters more than how it sits on the international stage. Hence why the Democratic Party are listed as center-left while being to the right of most other centre-left parties in the world and particularly in Europe. Same goes for CHP in Turkey being to the right of parties like, say, Place Publique, but is still listed with the same position. TheTajik (talk) 22:29, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 21 August 2024
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Instead of directly stating that India is being backsliding since 2014 under bjp government,it should be clearly mentioned to the readers that "according to V-dem democratic indices India is backsliding under bjp government since 2014" or else it is better to delete that line to avoid multiple baseless controversies 103.151.209.76 (talk) 05:12, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit extended-protected}}template. — DaxServer (t·m·e·c) 08:39, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
GA Status
editHello top contributors. The current status of this article does not meet GA status, also has got a maintenance tag. If you look at the version when it was promoted, here, it was in a much better form. Please consider improving it. Let me know if any help is required. Thanks in advance.-25 CENTS VICTORIOUS 🍁 12:59, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 12 December 2024
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Add Anti-Communism as it's ideology 2404:7C80:64:734B:9242:9517:430A:E304 (talk) 09:56, 12 December 2024 (UTC)add anti Communism as it's Ideology
Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. M.Bitton (talk) 11:15, 12 December 2024 (UTC)