Talk:Battle of Tsaritsyn
Latest comment: 2 years ago by DestructibleTimes in topic propaganda
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renaming to stalingrand
editit is more likely that tsaritsin was renamed to stalingrad because of stalins thrive for city bearing his name, after all, lenin did have his leningrad. and stalin was jealous and very powerhungry and cult builder and this was simply most aproipate city to rename. 78.41.173.28 (talk) 22:01, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
propaganda
editSeems to me, the "battle" part of the article is heavy propaganda. Where are the references? Where is any mention of the incessant conflicts Stalin got into with the generals and the war commissar Trotski, on whose request Lenin had Stalin recalled from his post in Tsaritsyn - before the Steel Division even arrived in the city. Already before that, Stalin had left Tsaritsyn for good (october 19-20, 1918). — Preceding unsigned comment added by MrThe1And0nly (talk • contribs) 17:03, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
- I agree, there are some problems with the article - most notably with Major Ewen Cameron Bruce because I haven't seen any Russian sources confirming his participation in the event. Russian sources acknowledge the presence of British military specialists who were helping Whites with tanks but they never mention anyone who goes by surname Bruce - the only Briton mentioned directly was someone named Cox (if I'm not mistaken) who apparently was specialists' commander. I doubt the feat of arms described in article would be totally ignored if it had actually happened (even if Whites wanted to downplay it for some reason).DestructibleTimes (talk) 17:55, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
- I've made some changes in the Battle section. As for the British guy, I have no info either way. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MrThe1And0nly (talk • contribs) 18:27, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
- @Mr "Lollapalooza"; @DestructibleTimes: I've expanded the article now, with a translation of the Polish Wikipedia article, so hopefully the battle section is sufficiently detailed now. I also went ahead and removed mentions of Ewen Cameron Bruce, as the sourcing is unclear. If anyone has more details about "Klyuev (1933) The Struggle for Tsaritsyn.", that would be helpful in establishing notability and verification. -- Grnrchst (talk) 15:42, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks, the article looks much better now! DestructibleTimes (talk) 00:27, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
- @Mr "Lollapalooza"; @DestructibleTimes: I've expanded the article now, with a translation of the Polish Wikipedia article, so hopefully the battle section is sufficiently detailed now. I also went ahead and removed mentions of Ewen Cameron Bruce, as the sourcing is unclear. If anyone has more details about "Klyuev (1933) The Struggle for Tsaritsyn.", that would be helpful in establishing notability and verification. -- Grnrchst (talk) 15:42, 30 November 2022 (UTC)