Talk:Bannock (British and Irish food)

Availability of Selkirk Bannock

The article claims "Selkirk Bannocks are popular throughout Great Britain, and can be found at most large supermarkets". I have seen them in Scotland out of the Borders but I wouldn't say they were notably commonly available and in the wider GB they are less common still. A search of the web sites of several major supermarkets drew a blank. Mutt Lunker (talk) 12:17, 11 September 2017 (UTC)

Yes I agree with this. I'm writing in 2024 and I am going to take the bold step of taking out that Selkirk Bannocks are available in most large supermarkets. If anyone objects to this please let me know. Very willing to do some polling on Twitter/X to find out if I'm correct. I've never seen them in supermarkets in my part of England, Sussex or in Plymouth where I grew up. TheRegencyCook (talk) 11:03, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

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The result of this discussion was to split. Wgullyn (talk) 16:08, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

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Splitting proposal 5 October 2018

I propose that the section Bannock (food)#Indigenous North Americans be split into a separate page, per WP:CONSPLIT. The Native American and the Brittish bannocks are different breads. --Egon John (talk) 06:58, 5 October 2018 (UTC)

I tend to think that they are not two different breads, but rather dozens. Indigenous bannock can mean fried or baked bread dough, and that dough can be made from wheat, maize, barley, depending on the region. It's really a catch-all term for any dough product made by "Indians". --Kevlar (talk • contribs) 21:59, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

In that case, would it be more appropriate to create a broad article analogous to Nordic bread culture or Mexican breads? Or merge to Native American cuisine? Ibadibam (talk) 21:10, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

• Support – Looks like the amount of information on Indigenous bannock is substantial enough for it to be its own article. If Balep korkun can become separated out, I don't see how Indigenous bannock shouldn't be as well. Firezzasd (talk) 17:32, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
• Comment Undecided, they don't have to be "different breads" to have a separate article, but as it stands there is a section "Pre-contact bannock or Scottish import?" in this article. We would need someone willing to review sources and maybe leaving a short section in this article with a link. Cornsimpel (talk) 21:00, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
• Support split as they are clearly two different topics. Indigenous bannock article can mention the possible Scottish origin and can include all indigenous varieties. -M.Nelson (talk) 22:20, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
• Support —¿philoserf? (talk) 21:00, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
• Support The section on Indigenous North American bannock is substantively less about bannock itself as a foodstuff than its complex history as both nourishment and agent of colonialism. This is an interesting and important discussion, and much better suited for its own page, where it can be explored in its full depth, than tipping the overall balance of types of bannock on the general bannock page. —newmila (talk) 20:24, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

This seems to have consensus but who is going to perform the split? Based on the source in the article it looks like the North American indigenous bannock can be merged to frybread (a different type of bread that already has its own article) but the bannock that comes to American cuisine from Europe should be discussed here. Cornsimpel (talk) 16:42, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

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"Pre-contact … Metis"

The wording "pre-contact … Metis" seems like a fairly clear oxymoron. The Métis are by definition an ethnic group that emerged as a result of contact between Europeans and native North Americans. I think this needs some clarification. Itsmeitis (talk) 16:35, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

reversion

Hey, @Pepperbeast. This is a different food than Bannock (Indigenous American). The Scotland bannock is typically baked rather than fried and is common in the British Isles. Valereee (talk) 01:09, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

I'm aware of that. It's literally right at the top of the article. PepperBeast (talk) 01:52, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

@Pepperbeast, you seem to have added fried foods back in as similar? And taken out Scotland from the lead? And added the fried foods navbox back in? Valereee (talk) 01:56, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

I've BOLDly removed the fried navbox again, as I think maybe that wasn't the concern? Let's talk. Valereee (talk) 02:03, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

Article Renaming

The titles "Bannock (food)" and "Bannock (Indigenous American)" together seem very silly. This article seems to imply that the indigenous bread is not food but rather something else. We might want to consider changing this article to something like "Bannock (Scottish)" to match its counterpart. 67.193.149.254 (talk) 01:19, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

This was my comment. I'm going to make the change. Kcrisck (talk) 16:46, 28 October 2023 (UTC)