Talk:Atefeh Sahaaleh

Date of birth

Do we know at least the year of her birth? If she was 16 when she died in 2004, that would put her birth in 1988 or 1989, depending on if she already had birthday that year or not. --Billpg 12:34, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

The date of birth was 1988 sorry dont know what month or day —Preceding unsigned comment added by Canuck16 (talk • contribs) 03:06, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Her Name

Searching for background is difficult as everyone seems to have a different name for her. Are we sure the article title is correct? --Billpg 12:34, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

The form used for the heading of this article seems to be the most common form, based on Google searches and more reputable online sources. --ishel99 00:42, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

I have suggested to merge the article at Atefeh Rajabi into this article because it seems best to have one central article for each person. The spelling with the 'q' seems to be favoured on major English-language sites such as Amnesty International, over the spelling with the 'f'; and Google produces somewhat more hits for the 'q' spelling. --ishel99 00:57, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

According to the BBC [1] her name is Atefah Sahaaleh. Seems to be the most authoritative source yet. I've added a redirect for the benefit of people searching while the show is on. --Billpg 20:39, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm leaning towards renaming the article to the BBC's spelling. Thoughts? Objections? --Billpg 19:11, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Now it's "Atefah" in the heading and "Atefeh" in the rest of the text. Make up your mind. 95.90.17.133 (talk) 13:20, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Arabic alphabet

It would nice to get the Arabic-alphabet version of her name. The confusion between F and Q is presumably because the Arabic letters ف and ق only differ by one dot (in their "medial" forms). AnonMoos 21:24, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Amnesty International Arabic site seems to use both عاتقة رجبي and عاطفة رجبي !! AnonMoos 17:35, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

She was not Arab, she is Persian. You want her name in Farsi. -- 03:43, 23 October 2006 68.19.222.107

And Farsi uses the Arabic alphabet (with only minor differences). Her name is likely to be spelled the same (or almost the same, with the substitution of the special Persian ya Unicode character) in both Arabic and Farsi uses... AnonMoos 12:46, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

she was Kurdish, not Persian. 2A02:6B6F:F8E2:D200:3DAF:7CA0:E2D0:40F9 (talk) 18:44, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Political views removed

Lastly, Wikipedia is not a blog (see WP:NOT) so we shouldn't be discussing our personal feelings about an issue. This talk page is supposed to be for discussion related to the article. Cheers. sikander 02:42, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Everyone, please restrict yourself to discussing the current article, not politics or religion, unless the article itself is directly related to them. Cheers! chem1 14:09, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

POV

It's evident that a lot of care has been done to keep this article as an encyclopedia article. However I must point out that the use of the adjective "macabre", unless quoted, shows too much POV on the part of the article instead of merely reporting what happened to Atefah Sahaaleh and who she is. I'm still relatively new to wikipedia and am still a little unfamiliar with it's policies, but if anybody more experienced agrees with me, please remove the adjective and edit the article accordingly. Thanks. Great religion....for 1-st century not for 2006

Backward Governments

This article should be used as a link/citation (among many, many others) for the inclusion of Iran in the "Backward Governments" category.72.82.189.110 17:11, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Age of Consent in Iran

I’ve removed the following because it’s not true and seems to be an artifact of an press release that even the BBC took as factual without checking. In Iran the age of consent is 15 for boys and 13 for girls. (see for example [2]). Backdooruk 17:34, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

"But proving rape is very hard in Iran, where, under Sharia law, the age of sexual consent for girls is 9.”

The number "9" comes from the Aisha controversies (but Shi`ites reject hadiths with Aisha as a source...). AnonMoos 08:42, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

YouTube links

This article is one of thousands on Wikipedia that have a link to YouTube in it. Based on the External links policy, most of these should probably be removed. I'm putting this message here, on this talk page, to request the regular editors take a look at the link and make sure it doesn't violate policy. In short: 1. 99% of the time YouTube should not be used as a source. 2. We must not link to material that violates someones copyright. If you are not sure if the link on this article should be removed or you would like to help spread this message contact us on this page. Thanks, ---J.S (t|c) 03:18, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

I noticed this too, but traced the links back to their origin. They are clips from a BBC television documentary about Atefah Sahaaleh, "Execution of a Teenage Girl". I have corrected the citations to match. Unfortunately, this does mean that the article is essentially {{onesource}}, and have marked it as such. —Tim Pierce (talk) 13:00, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

Bad link

I removed that Front Page link because it was too wildly inaccurate to be in the article. The "experts" interviewed actually thought Iran was an Arab country! No credibility whatsoever.

It is sad what happened to that young woman and we don't want this article to be made a laughingstock because of links like that one!Amity150 08:02, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Linkification of Haji Rezai

Please don't linkify "Haji Rezai" until someone writes an article about him. At the moment, such a link will produce a circular link back to this page, which looks rather bad.

To make an article about him, go to [3] and remove the redirect text. Once an article is there, it would make sense to linkify his name. --Billpg 18:30, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot (talk) 04:21, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Highly dubious.

The case is probably not real, because Iran is under treaty obliged not to execute anyone under 18. If the case was real, USA and Israel would definitely use it to make a war, they have been constantly searching left and right for a casus belli since 2003 to get Iran out of the middle east force balance picture. Otherwise, there is no way anyone could mistake an actually 16 year old girl for a 22 year old woman, regardless of the clotches. 82.131.210.162 (talk) 16:18, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Right next U will say the world isint round and that inocent ppl have never been convicted of a crime in north america and that genocides have never occured in any part of the world! Bigern001 (talk) 22:46, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

"They never said goodbye"

If your asking for an opinion I think her whole death and trial is about human rights —Preceding([[User 01:47, 25 July 2008 (UTC) unsigned comment added by Canuck16 (talk • contribs) 22:36, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Is this really necessary information? I think it is only writings of some human right activist, which I consider a POV matter. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.220.38.82 (talk) 16:53, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

I would like to point out that the information below could be falss I have not found any evidence that supports the statement in fact I have (other than the militia members)found Infrmation that Judge Haji Rezaii is still the hea of the judiciary in Neka and has been invited to sit on the court of appeal in the Neka's region capital Sari also the Execution was signed of by Gholam-Hossein Mohseni-Ejeie who is now the head of the Iranian Inteligence agencey

After the execution of Atefeh, Iranian media reported that Judge Rezai and several militia members including Captain Zabihi and Captain Molai were arrested by the Intelligence Ministry. Inside sources informed the media that in addition to the confession of his rape of Atefeh, Judge Rezai who served as judge, jury and executioner, also confessed to torturing her during interrogations to extract names of others she had relations with. He also confessed that to covering up what he and the militia members had done to Atefeh, by speeding up the verdict of execution —Preceding unsigned comment added by Canuck16 (talk • contribs) 01:34, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Haji Rezai was later arrested?

I still can not find any evidence to support the following statements in the article, other than the fact that the 2 captains were arrested I found Information that Judge Haji Rezaii is still the head of the judiciary in Neka and has been invited to sit on the court of appeal in the Neka's region capital Sari also the Execution was signed of by Gholam-Hossein Mohseni-Ejeie who is now the head of the Iranian Intelligence agency which would make Judge Rezaii untouchable can anyone tell me where to find the evidence to either confirm or unconfirm these contradictory statements?

Haji Rezai was later arrested himself on charges of rape and torture of the defendant.[1][2].After the execution of Atefeh, Iranian media reported that Judge Rezai and several militia members including Captain Zabihi and Captain Molai were arrested by the Intelligence Ministry. Inside sources informed the media that in addition to the confession of his rape of Atefeh, Judge Rezai who served as judge, jury and executioner, also confessed to torturing her during interrogations to extract names of others she had relations with. He also confessed that to covering up what he and the militia members had done to Atefeh

Canuck16 (talk) 22:29, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

The 'blindfold' picture.

I see a new picture [4] has turned up. I've also asked them on the flickr page but not (yet) had an answer.

1. Is this a picture of Atefah herself? (The flickr page mentions "drama reconstruction". Is the picture of Atefah or an actress?)

2. Who took the picture? (Are members of public allowed to attend Iranian executions and take pictures?) --Billpg (talk) 19:34, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

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