Talk:Anthem of Khanty-Mansi Autonomous Okrug

Requested move 7 January 2019

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The result of the move request was: Not moved: MOS:DASH is pretty clear, despite proposal. I suggest Cherkash open an RFC at WT:MOS in order to seek clarification on what should happen in these cases. Many thanks, (closed by non-admin page mover) SITH (talk) 18:38, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

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Anthem of Khanty–Mansi Autonomous Okrug → Anthem of Khanty-Mansi Autonomous Okrug – hyphen, not en-dash (compare with the text of the article, as well as the main article for the place. cherkash (talk) 23:56, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

This is a contested technical request (permalink). Contested by SMcCandlish, see below. –Ammarpad (talk) 08:58, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

• Contested. It should move the other way around, with Khanty-Mansi Autonomous Okrug going to Khanty–Mansi Autonomous Okrug. The name is juxtaposition of two equal entities: "The peoples native to the region are the Khanty and the Mansi", which is precisely the case for an en dash.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  06:09, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose per SMcCandlish and MOS:DASH. Better to fix to generally use en dash between parallel entities, as we do everywhere else. Here, for example, is a book that does it with en dash. Dicklyon (talk) 18:31, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose per SMcCandlish. (I stalk him on my watchlist, I'm afraid.) Tony (talk) 10:14, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
• Comment (or rather, a more elaborate justification of my proposal) – SMcCandlish, Dicklyon, Tony1: My proposal is consistent with MOS:ENBETWEEN, specifically it's on the pattern of Austria-Hungary and the explicit mention in the MOS about geographic names of single entities using hyphens. Other similar entities within modern Russia are Karachay-Cherkessia, Kabardino-Balkaria (although this last one seems to be a combining form), and an even more peculiar case of North Ossetia – Alania (which seems to legitimately use en-dash, and on which I've opened a separate discussion at WT:MOS). So if there's a disagreement on whether to use hyphen or dash – and I, for one, am not really convinced that even Austria-Hungary should be written with a hyphen – then we should open a more general discussion about this rule at the WT:MOS talk page. cherkash (talk) 05:34, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

  I'm not convinced about Austria-Hungary either; but for this one I'm convinced the en dash is better, especially since it wasn't hard to find it thus in a source. Dicklyon (talk) 05:40, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

  I see confusion in so-called sources, with some en dash usage. In such cases we go with our house style, which is an en dash. Tony (talk) 10:01, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

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